Republicans Are Having Some Trouble Talking About Rape and Incest

Democrats could have passed the right to ABORT in the House this week. Why didn't they? They have the votes. Heck go all the way, government funded free abortions. Claim your annual government funded kill a baby tax credit.
 
ā€˜By the time the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade last week, 13 states were ready with so-called trigger laws that would ban abortions within their borders immediately. (Additional states had pre-Roe prohibitions in place that will now be enforced.) One notable thing about these trigger statutes, which have been gradually enacted over the past two decades, is that most of them do not make any exceptions for cases involving rape or incest.

This absolutist approach to abortion prohibition was once considered both morally and politically unthinkable, but came into vogue in red states thanks to the increasingly hard-line views that have come to dominate both the conservative movement and anti-abortion activism in particular. The reasoning behind it is straightforward enough: If life really starts at conception and abortion is murder, then terminating a pregnancy for any reason at all must be banned. The issue is that outside the world of conservative ideologues, it remains a wildly unpopular policy.

Take Yesli Vega, a GOP house candidate in Virginia, who was caught on tape during a campaign stop musing that women might be less likely to get pregnant in cases of rape. This is a long-running myth with deep origins in the anti-abortion movement, which might explain why it was proposed first by someone attending the campaign event. On the audio, first reported by Axios, the audience member asks: ā€œIā€™ve actually heard that itā€™s harder for a woman to get pregnant if sheā€™s been raped. Have you heard that?ā€ Vega responds: ā€œWell, maybe because thereā€™s so much going on in the body. I donā€™t know. I havenā€™t, you know, seen any studies. But if Iā€™m processing what youā€™re saying, it wouldnā€™t surprise me. Because itā€™s not something thatā€™s happening organically. Youā€™re forcing it.ā€


No exceptions for cases involving rape or incest is widely unpopular because itā€™s wrong.
So? Just go to another state if that happens. Its inconvenient, but hardly an insurmountable challenge.
 
Democrats could have passed the right to ABORT in the House this week. Why didn't they? They have the votes. Heck go all the way, government funded free abortions. Claim your annual government funded kill a baby tax credit.

I think they know damn well that there is not, and has never been, the general support for murdering innocent children that they want us to think there is, and that going that solidly on record as having voted to support the cold-blooded murder of innocent children will be very bad for their political careers.

They though that the Supreme Court had taken that bullet for them, once and for all, back in 1973, but now it turns out that the bullet is still very much in play.
 
ā€˜By the time the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade last week, 13 states were ready with so-called trigger laws that would ban abortions within their borders immediately. (Additional states had pre-Roe prohibitions in place that will now be enforced.) One notable thing about these trigger statutes, which have been gradually enacted over the past two decades, is that most of them do not make any exceptions for cases involving rape or incest.

This absolutist approach to abortion prohibition was once considered both morally and politically unthinkable, but came into vogue in red states thanks to the increasingly hard-line views that have come to dominate both the conservative movement and anti-abortion activism in particular. The reasoning behind it is straightforward enough: If life really starts at conception and abortion is murder, then terminating a pregnancy for any reason at all must be banned. The issue is that outside the world of conservative ideologues, it remains a wildly unpopular policy.

Take Yesli Vega, a GOP house candidate in Virginia, who was caught on tape during a campaign stop musing that women might be less likely to get pregnant in cases of rape. This is a long-running myth with deep origins in the anti-abortion movement, which might explain why it was proposed first by someone attending the campaign event. On the audio, first reported by Axios, the audience member asks: ā€œIā€™ve actually heard that itā€™s harder for a woman to get pregnant if sheā€™s been raped. Have you heard that?ā€ Vega responds: ā€œWell, maybe because thereā€™s so much going on in the body. I donā€™t know. I havenā€™t, you know, seen any studies. But if Iā€™m processing what youā€™re saying, it wouldnā€™t surprise me. Because itā€™s not something thatā€™s happening organically. Youā€™re forcing it.ā€


No exceptions for cases involving rape or incest is widely unpopular because itā€™s wrong.
These abortions only account for less than 1%, but they're used 100% of the time in the abortion debate. People require operations for ailments and where there's a risk to life. An ectopic pregnancy would fall under this and some 11,000 per year in the UK have to be aborted.

A pregnancy is not an ailment and the whole debate hinges on morals.
 
That was just my opinion on his state of mind. Truthful too. Besides can't you understand there is no debating leftists? There never is.

It's not a hard question to answer. Do you think rape and incest victims should be allowed to abort the child or not?
 
These abortions only account for less than 1%, but they're used 100% of the time in the abortion debate.
I completely agree. They use the extreme example because that's what tugs at people's heart strings, but nonetheless, these instances do exist. There is an instance right now of a 10 year old girl from Ohio who had to be taken to Indiana to get an abortion because Ohio will now not perform it in the wake of the Roe ruling. It seems to me, even in states that want to prohibit abortion entirely there should be at least some leeway in these extreme circumstances.
 
But here's the rub. Once you've given personhood rights to fetuses, embryoes and zygotes, then that fetus has more rights than the woman it is inside.

Even if it was conceived as a result of rape or incest.


Mormon bob wanting to murder women again because he respects them so much.

It wasn't only fetuses, embryoes and zygotes the left wants to abort. Also up to or even past the point of birth.
 
ā€˜By the time the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade last week, 13 states were ready with so-called trigger laws that would ban abortions within their borders immediately. (Additional states had pre-Roe prohibitions in place that will now be enforced.) One notable thing about these trigger statutes, which have been gradually enacted over the past two decades, is that most of them do not make any exceptions for cases involving rape or incest.

This absolutist approach to abortion prohibition was once considered both morally and politically unthinkable, but came into vogue in red states thanks to the increasingly hard-line views that have come to dominate both the conservative movement and anti-abortion activism in particular. The reasoning behind it is straightforward enough: If life really starts at conception and abortion is murder, then terminating a pregnancy for any reason at all must be banned. The issue is that outside the world of conservative ideologues, it remains a wildly unpopular policy.

Take Yesli Vega, a GOP house candidate in Virginia, who was caught on tape during a campaign stop musing that women might be less likely to get pregnant in cases of rape. This is a long-running myth with deep origins in the anti-abortion movement, which might explain why it was proposed first by someone attending the campaign event. On the audio, first reported by Axios, the audience member asks: ā€œIā€™ve actually heard that itā€™s harder for a woman to get pregnant if sheā€™s been raped. Have you heard that?ā€ Vega responds: ā€œWell, maybe because thereā€™s so much going on in the body. I donā€™t know. I havenā€™t, you know, seen any studies. But if Iā€™m processing what youā€™re saying, it wouldnā€™t surprise me. Because itā€™s not something thatā€™s happening organically. Youā€™re forcing it.ā€


No exceptions for cases involving rape or incest is widely unpopular because itā€™s wrong.

LOL, Democrats have caused the rape of hundreds of thousands of women on our southern border and suddenly this is a standard for you, racist?
 
I completely agree. They use the extreme example because that's what tugs at people's heart strings, but nonetheless, these instances do exist. There is an instance right now of a 10 year old girl from Ohio who had to be taken to Indiana to get an abortion because Ohio will now not perform it in the wake of the Roe ruling. It seems to me, even in states that want to prohibit abortion entirely there should be at least some leeway in these extreme circumstances.
The debate is endless because it's either the two extremes, no abortions v all abortions. Middle ground wouldn't work either because people aren't honest. So if they allowed rape victims an abortion, there would be a sudden 'claimed' increase in being a victim of rape.

There are 11.2 abortions per 1,000 women. So all this agro over 1.12%.
 
I think they know damn well that there is not, and has never been, the general support for murdering innocent children that they want us to think there is, and that going that solidly on record as having voted to support the cold-blooded murder of innocent children will be very bad for their political careers.

They though that the Supreme Court had taken that bullet for them, once and for all, back in 1973, but now it turns out that the bullet is still very much in play.

Actually, it was kind of the opposite.

There were all these abortion laws on the books, nobody was actually enforcing them in 1973. Again, kind of compare them to the prostitution laws. Prostitution is illegal in 49 states, but yet we have strip joints, massage parlors, escort agencies, etc. all operating pretty much out in the open.

So SCOTUS - including FIVE Republican appointees - decided to strike these silly laws down, and no ne had a big deal about it. Sure, the Catholics would whine, but the Catholics were still whining when SCOTUS made birth control legal 8 years earlier.

The other key thing is that this wasn't a partisan issue back then. You had pro-choice Republicans (including Poppy Bush) and pro-life Democrats (like the Lipinskis in Chicago).

It was ONLY after the Evangelicals needed a political issue to motivate their flocks that this became an issue.

These laws won't prevent one abortion, but they will make life difficult for women dealing with unwanted pregnancies.

These abortions only account for less than 1%, but they're used 100% of the time in the abortion debate. People require operations for ailments and where there's a risk to life. An ectopic pregnancy would fall under this and some 11,000 per year in the UK have to be aborted.

A pregnancy is not an ailment and the whole debate hinges on morals.

Yes, if you think a zygote is a human being, then this is a moral issue.

If you don't, it isn't.
 
I completely agree. They use the extreme example because that's what tugs at people's heart strings, but nonetheless, these instances do exist. There is an instance right now of a 10 year old girl from Ohio who had to be taken to Indiana to get an abortion because Ohio will now not perform it in the wake of the Roe ruling. It seems to me, even in states that want to prohibit abortion entirely there should be at least some leeway in these extreme circumstances.

But, it's the exceptions that make the rule. If you decide as a matter of law that a zygote is a human being, then you have given it more rights than the human being it is inside, even if it's a 10 year old rape victim.

We don't execute people for the crimes of their parents.


It wasn't only fetuses, embryoes and zygotes the left wants to abort. Also up to or even past the point of birth.

When did this happen?

The left doesn't want to abort anyone. They believe it should be the choice of the woman and her doctor depending on circumstances.

Nobody is aborting a third trimester pregnancy unless something has gone horribly wrong.

So if you want to have an honest debate, let's stop talking about rape and incest, let's stop talking about late abortions, because those are less than 1% of all abortions performed.

Let's talk about the 98% of abortions that are performed as birth control before the 12th week, because that's the real issue here.

Either you think they are people, who should have more rights than the people they are inside, or you don't.
 
There are 30,000 rape related pregnancies every year

That is not a small number
 
Libs a terrified of taking their positions to the voting public. If they can't get an executive order, or a regulation, or a Supreme Court edict; they panic and start screaming ironically about the end of democracy.
 
But, it's the exceptions that make the rule. If you decide as a matter of law that a zygote is a human being, then you have given it more rights than the human being it is inside, even if it's a 10 year old rape victim.

We don't execute people for the crimes of their parents.

But you defend exactly thatā€”putting an innocent child to death because his father was a rapist.
 

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