Republican senators block extension to ACA subsidies

[Toddsterpatriot]

What should be done with those people, in Your Belief Todd?

If they didn't buy insurance before their condition, they're going to have an issue, right?

 

[Foxfyre]

Former Governor and Senator Mitt Romney called himself a Republican.
He and his constituents in Massachusetts provided President Obama's Administration with a 'blue print' for the Affordable Care Act.

That would be an accurate representation of the Republican plan for healthcare.
Not that it is none of the federal government's business and can be better managed at the state level, but that they as Republicans can manage the same crap better.

Unfortunately, that is a bit short of how things could be handled better and with more accountability at the state level.

At least a state that decides to provide universal healthcare doesn't screw up all the rest of the country like a federal action can do.

 

[Foxfyre]

Get rid of insurance. Its healthcare. Insurance is just a hyper crappy way of trying to cover it.Before government started meddling in healthcare, probably most Americans chose to participate in their employers' group plans. Usually when those plans were not mandatory by the employer, the workers did pay something to participate but it was always affordable. The employers who provided blanket coverage considered it part of the workers' compensation package which good workers looked for before they accepted a job offer.

Before the federal government meddled, insurance companies HAD to be competitive to survive and because they were actually hospitalization insurance plans, not a cover everything from a sprained ankle, DPT shots, the patient has a fever plans, and individuals with pre-existing conditions paid more while healthy people were not stuck with those costs, insurance remained affordable for most Americans.

Until the federal government got involved, most insurance paid for one physical a year to help keep people out of the hosptial and not needing that insurance. We all paid out of pocket for our kids' shots, routine doctor's visits including house calls which were common, the emergency room to deal with the bad sprain or broken toe or whatever and these were all affordable too.

And the USA had the best healthcare system in the world at that time.

Once the federal government and its deep pockets became involved and it became pay for everybody's healthcare plans, the incentive to keep things affordable went away and very few could afford even a doctor's visit without healthcare insurance. That became much much worse when the government required all insurance to cover pre-existing conditions instead of having plans specifically for those people with pre-existing conditions.

Gradually back the government out of our healthcare system except for necessary regulation, licensing, and such, and we will again have the best affordable health care in the world.

 

[DonGlock26]

Medical insurance costs are skyrocketing for the same reason college tuition is skyrocketing- the gov't is subsidizing it.

 

[Bitterhook]

At least a state that decides to provide universal healthcare doesn't screw up all the rest of the country like a federal action can do.

Absolutely, and it puts the people in the state closer to the Representatives who are making the decisions that will greatly influence their life and well-being. I am not saying what the people in North Dakota should desire or should have as what their state provides in services. They are going to have to talk to their neighbors or Representatives and come to a better agreement that suits them all. We don't need a small segment of North Dakota leveraging the opinions and decisions of folks in New York or Delaware, to enforce policies that don't appropriately address the actual concerns of the people in North Dakota.

But what I am talking about not some new plan, and it is the way it was always intended to be in a union of individual states that comprise our republic. The founders even warned us against empowering the federal government beyond the limits they set, and the modern populace will ignore that in attempts to circumvent responsible governance.

They establish a ruling class in the federal government (the establishment comprised of both major parties), all in attempts to dilute the power of the people and rob their power for political nonsense. It doesn't provide us with better or more responsible legislation, but with thousands of pages of utter garbage and wasteful spending all in attempts to consolidate power with a 'damn them all' approach towards the people.

Then they complain about what they cannot accomplish, when they have no business doing more than half the crap they are trying to do.

 

[Bitterhook]

Medical insurance costs are skyrocketing for the same reason college tuition is skyrocketing- the gov't is subsidizing it.

And likewise, the results are the same with both of those examples when you open the bottomless National Treasury to legislated corruption, you get lower quality and less competing options at a higher price.

 

[Foxfyre]

Medical insurance costs are skyrocketing for the same reason college tuition is skyrocketing- the gov't is subsidizing it.

Government subsidies of necessity rob Peter to pay Paul. And makes it pretty much inevitable that it can always count on the support of Paul.

 

[debbiedowner]

The pre-existing conditions limits were passed prior to ObamaCare was ever planned with bipartisan support.

You're wrong as those limits were never passed until March of 2010 the same day obamacare was signed.

 

[DonGlock26]

Government subsidies of necessity rob Peter to pay Paul. And makes it pretty much inevitable that it can always count on the support of Paul.

 

[forkup]

Older drugs, fewer drugs, older equipment, fewer doctors, rationing and longer wait times do result in lower spending.

No,no, and no. See post 117

 

[SaxonJackson]

Today Republicans blocked the extension of subsidies to help people pay for health care premiums.

The party with majorities in every branch of government continues to fight against affordability:

Senate blocks ACA subsidies extension: What this means for your health insurance

The Senate on Thursday rejected legislation to extend Affordable Care Act tax credits. Here's what we know.

www.fox5atlanta.com

And that's okay. "Subsidies" is another word for "taxes." They don't grow on trees but they have to come from somewhere. That somewhere is the American taxpayers' wallets. Why is it MY responsibility to pay for YOUR medical bills?

Solution? Get and stay healthy!! Eat right (that means no more Coca Cola and Twinkies); get plenty of sunshine (get off the couch and out of the bar and go outside); exercise (which means more than moving your thumb and fingers on the gaming control or pushing the TV remote control); quit having kids when you're not married and when you're unemployed; and quit taking prescription drugs which can cause more symptoms than they solve.

Bottom line. Stop begging me to take care of you. Take care of yourself.

 

[Zincwarrior]

They voted on the bill yesterday. Rather than simply repeating the talking points from your party, how about you read it and decide for yourself.

$1,500 is not a plan.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No,no, and no. See post 117

Tell that to Canada and the UK.

 

[Rawley]

$1,500 is not a plan.

Preferable to your cult giving hundreds of billion more in subsidies directly to Ins Cos. to prop up the failing Obamacare scheme

 

[Zincwarrior]

Preferable to your cult giving hundreds of billion more in subsidies directly to Ins Cos. to prop up the failing Obamacare scheme

$1,500 is not a plan.

 

[forkup]

Tell that to Canada and the UK.

I did. Canada and the UK, scored better in cost and health index.

 

[Rawley]

$1,500 is not a plan.

Of course it isn't. Once again, get beyond the talking point being fed to you from your cult. They are neck deep in with the insurance company.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I did. Canada and the UK, scored better in cost and health index.

Longer lines, less equipment, fewer doctors, older meds and rationing. They sound awesome!

 

[forkup]

Longer lines, less equipment, fewer doctors, older meds and rationing. They sound awesome!

Paying more for worse health results sounds better?

As for rationing. Not being able to afford your healthcare is a form of rationing to. And as the results show a much stricter one.

This of course if you can show anything more than claims.

The funny thing is that I described the system as it is for me. A system that in general is faster and cheaper. And the only thing you come back with. Well I THINK this is how it is in 2 other countries. 2 Other countries that simply have better healthcare systems going by outcome than the US.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Paying more for worse health results sounds better?

As for rationing. Not being able to afford your healthcare is a form of rationing to. And as the results show a much stricter one.

This of course if you can show anything more than claims.

The funny thing is that I described the system as it is for me. A system that in general is faster and cheaper. And the only thing you come back with. Well I THINK this is how it is in 2 other countries.

Belgium does better than Canada and the UK?

Good for them.