Republican senators block extension to ACA subsidies

[Nostra]

Falls under the heading of General Welfare and Domestic Tranquility.

Nope.

Healthcare is not specifically authorized.


Providing for the welfare of the general public is a basic goal of government. The preamble to the U.S. Constitution cites promotion of the general welfare as a primary reason for the creation of the Constitution. Promotion of the general welfare is also a stated purpose in state constitutions and statutes. The concept has sparked controversy only as a result of its inclusion in the body of the U.S. Constitution.

The first clause of Article I, Section 8, reads, "The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States." This clause, called the General Welfare Clause or the Spending Power Clause, does not grant Congress the power to legislate for the general welfare of the country; that is a power reserved to the states through the Tenth Amendment. Rather, it merely allows Congress to spend federal money for the general welfare. The principle underlying this distinction—the limitation of federal power—eventually inspired the only important disagreement over the meaning of the clause.

According to James Madison, the clause authorized Congress to spend money, but only to carry out the powers and duties specifically enumerated in the subsequent clauses of Article I, Section 8, and elsewhere in the Constitution, not to meet the seemingly infinite needs of the general welfare.

 

[JWBooth]

Republican senators block extension to ACA subsidies​

Good.
Probably the only good thing they'll do this session, and they are gonna get pounded for it.

 

[Bitterhook]

You’re not actually upset about my opinion, you’re upset that it came with facts attached.

When someone points out that every peer nation delivers cheaper, better healthcare than the U.S., your only move is to shriek about the Constitution and pretend foreign data doesn’t count. That’s not patriotism. That’s intellectual panic.

And the “other people’s money” line gives it away.
You’re clinging to a slogan because you can’t defend the results.

If the system you support worked, you’d cite outcomes.
You’d cite costs.
You’d cite efficiency.
But you can’t, so you attack geography, citizenship, and motives.

That’s not an argument. That’s you trying to hide from one.

You are about fricken useless, because you don't understand that you are trying to argue something that in no way can apply to anything I am posting.

What part of 'petition your State Representatives and neighbors' does your stupid ass not understand?
I haven't indicated anything about what people should petition for, just that they need to seize their power and use it where it is more effective and where everything would become more accountable.
You are simply attempting to argue with something that isn't present in anything I have posted in this thread.

Why?
What are you expecting to gain, because you don't live in my state?

 

[toobfreak]

Today Republicans blocked the extension of subsidies to help people pay for health care premiums.

BULLSHIT. That is not even true. BOTH parties offered competing plans with the GOP having new ideas to fix the system while democrats as usual just voted to keep more of the same, and NEITHER party had the votes to pass.

SIMPLE SOLUTION: Put these senators on the ACA plan and double or triple their payments, then watch how fast it gets fixed.

 

[Bitterhook]

We've told them. But liberalism American style truly is a mental disorder that renders them incapable of critical thinking, honesty, or logic and puts them in a constant state of anger, hate and, for many, destructiveness/violence. Most conservatives and even more MAGAs don't succumb to that disorder.

Eeek, I am a Liberal, although not a Progressive Liberal.

I actually hate them for falsely identifying as Liberals, and almost as much as I hate a Modern Conservative for pretending they are in the least bit Conservatives.

As a Liberal, I am more Conservative than a Modern Conservative when it comes to the US Constitution, the 18 enumerated powers, and limiting the size and power of the federal government.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yes, they can

No they cannot, which is why these programs were invented in the first place.

I don't know what else to tell you. What you are saying is proven nonsense.

If people could buy outside of the exchange, they would have already been doing do. How do you not get this?

 

[Bitterhook]

No they cannot, which is why these programs were invented in the first place.

I don't know what else to tell you. What you are saying is proven nonsense.

"Yes, they can and nothing is stopping them from paying whatever they can afford, for whatever they can afford."

That was the sentence dumbass, and you had to try and make it mean something it doesn't to argue a point I never suggested.
Go be a retard somewhere else.

 

[Zincwarrior]

And what’s the republican plan?

There is no MAGA Plan. "Die in the street you Middle Class POORZ" is just a feature.

 

[Concerned American]

There is no MAGA Plan. "Die in the street you Middle Class POORZ" is just a feature.

What part of Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of Happiness do you expect them to GIVE you, parasite?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yes, they can and nothing is stopping them from paying whatever they can afford, for whatever they can afford."

"Nothing can stop them from being uninsured."

Yes, thank you, professor.

 

[citygator]

Nope.

General welfare means no such thing. Take a history class, Dumbass.

I guess I could listen to the dumbest poster on the site OR I could just listen to SCOTUS:

Helvering v. Davis (1937) → Upheld Social Security as constitutional under the General Welfare Clause

NFIB v. Sebelius (2012) → Upheld most of the Affordable Care Act as a valid exercise of Congress’s taxing power

United States v. Butler (1936) – Confirmed Congress has a broad, independent spending power for the general welfare

Steward Machine Co. v. Davis (1937) – Upheld Social Security; Congress decides what qualifies as general welfare

Flemming v. Nestor (1960) – Reaffirmed constitutionality of federal social welfare programs

South Dakota v. Dole (1987) – Allowed Congress to condition federal funds (basis for Medicaid)

King v. Burwell (2015) – Reaffirmed ACA as a valid nationwide health insurance framework

 

[Bitterhook]

"Nothing can stop them from being uninsured."

Yes, thank you, professor.

I haven't posted squat about insurance, retard.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I haven't said squat about insurance, retard.

Then you're a goddamn idiot who is in the wrong thread. Bye.

 

[Bitterhook]

Then you're a goddamn idiot who is in the wrong thread. Bye.

You came here making shit up and talking to me, and I already told you to carry your retarded ass, retard.

 

[Meathead]

Today Republicans blocked the extension of subsidies to help people pay for health care premiums.

The party with majorities in every branch of government continues to fight against affordability:

Senate blocks ACA subsidies extension: What this means for your health insurance

The Senate on Thursday rejected legislation to extend Affordable Care Act tax credits. Here's what we know.

www.fox5atlanta.com

Excellent!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Trump: we should just give them money and let them buy insurance

Yes dipshit, thats what the ACA subsidies are.

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

Excellent!

Just pray that will be the attitude of voters in the midterms.

 

[citygator]

Nope.

Healthcare is not specifically authorized.


Providing for the welfare of the general public is a basic goal of government. The preamble to the U.S. Constitution cites promotion of the general welfare as a primary reason for the creation of the Constitution. Promotion of the general welfare is also a stated purpose in state constitutions and statutes. The concept has sparked controversy only as a result of its inclusion in the body of the U.S. Constitution.

The first clause of Article I, Section 8, reads, "The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States." This clause, called the General Welfare Clause or the Spending Power Clause, does not grant Congress the power to legislate for the general welfare of the country; that is a power reserved to the states through the Tenth Amendment. Rather, it merely allows Congress to spend federal money for the general welfare. The principle underlying this distinction—the limitation of federal power—eventually inspired the only important disagreement over the meaning of the clause.

According to James Madison, the clause authorized Congress to spend money, but only to carry out the powers and duties specifically enumerated in the subsequent clauses of Article I, Section 8, and elsewhere in the Constitution, not to meet the seemingly infinite needs of the general welfare.

Most posters dont like to pull their own pants down and show they have nothing.... but you did. Such a dumbass:

Helvering v. Davis (1937) → Upheld Social Security as constitutional under the General Welfare Clause

NFIB v. Sebelius (2012) → Upheld most of the Affordable Care Act as a valid exercise of Congress’s taxing power

United States v. Butler (1936) – Confirmed Congress has a broad, independent spending power for the general welfare

Steward Machine Co. v. Davis (1937) – Upheld Social Security; Congress decides what qualifies as general welfare

Flemming v. Nestor (1960) – Reaffirmed constitutionality of federal social welfare programs

South Dakota v. Dole (1987) – Allowed Congress to condition federal funds (basis for Medicaid)

King v. Burwell (2015) – Reaffirmed ACA as a valid nationwide health insurance framework

 

[BluesLegend]

And You are a Certified, & Clueless Airhead. Read My Profile, & My Posts. And if You still come up with my being a "lying Dem sheeple.",..... Then in the words of the Honorable Jeff Foxworthy,...... "Here's Your Sign!".

And Hey!.... I Ain't Fat.

Your post count tells me nobody knows who you are, or cares.

 

[Zincwarrior]

What part of Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of Happiness do you expect them to GIVE you, parasite?

And you immediately prove my point.

Argentina gets $40Bn.
Farmers get $12Bn.
Middle class get nothing.