Replacing Columbus Day

[iamwhatiseem]

I think we can have both

Columbus is not responsible for the morals of his era. He was no better and no worse than anyone else of the time.

There was no enlightened group protesting the subjugation of indigenous people. The moral compass was the Catholic Church who encouraged the conquest and conversion of savages and did not oppose slavery

But by the same token, what we remember him for wasn't that impressive either. He wasn't the first European to get to the Americas, and someone else would have gotten here after him if he hadn't.

So what we are celebrating is not so much him, but what he started... and maybe we need to rethink if that was entirely a good thing. It certainly wasn't for the Native Americans who died or the Africans who were brought over in chains because the Natives were dying faster than they could be enslaved.

So you want to celebrate people that genocide other people you just wont celebrate yours because of the color of your skin? Lol Interesting how long have you been insane?

That made absolutely not a lick of sense... Let's try someone else who can try to articulate the thought better.

Yeah... cause there is no other place on earth where people invaded other people.

No, but we don't give THEM holidays, either.

We don't have Attila the Hun day or Ghengis Khan Day or Hitler Day or even Napoleon Day.

yeah cause that bad ass Columbus slaughtered so many American Indians....

 

[JoeB131]

Just one quibble, the Catholic Church was the moral compass only for the Spaniards, Portugese and French. For the English you have to go with the CoE, for the Dutch whatever reformed Lutheran thing they had going at the time.

And the slavery at the time of Columbus wasn't the 1700's-1800's Slavery, but more the "losers become slaves" thing the whole world followed, including the natives amongst themselves.

Your history is a bit confused.

The thing was, the Spainards did try to enslave the Native Americans, and they were dying off faster than they could be enslaved. to the point by 1600, 3/4th of the Native population had died off. That's why they started bringing over lots of slaves from Africa... When they couldn't do that anymore, they brought over Coolies from China and Irish immigrants to do the awful work.

Kind of the way of the world, the rich and powerful exploiting the less rich.

 

[JoeB131]

you want to celebrate a day where people use genocide to take land. You just don’t want to celebrate the one that has your same color skin..
how long have you been insane or decided to hate yourself? Lol

Um, no, that still didn't make a lick of sense, buddy.

yeah cause that bad ass Columbus slaughtered so many American Indians....

Well, uh, yeah, he did. He reduced the native population of Hispaniola from 500,000 to less than 300 within a century... His behavior was so bad that he was brought back to Spain in chains after his third voyage. We could also talk about the nine-year old girl he took as a sex slave... but that would be piling on.

 

[martybegan]

Rabid libs are desecrating on Columbus statues and disrespecting the tremendous contribution of this fantastic Italian.

The question in my view is who should replace Columbus, his statues and the huge annual celebrations that Americans traditionally celebrate in the annual holiday honoring the Italian people

We should replace it with Indigenous People's Day to remember the Native Americans who were genocided to build this country.

I think we can have both

Columbus is not responsible for the morals of his era. He was no better and no worse than anyone else of the time.

There was no enlightened group protesting the subjugation of indigenous people. The moral compass was the Catholic Church who encouraged the conquest and conversion of savages and did not oppose slavery

Just one quibble, the Catholic Church was the moral compass only for the Spaniards, Portugese and French. For the English you have to go with the CoE, for the Dutch whatever reformed Lutheran thing they had going at the time.

And the slavery at the time of Columbus wasn't the 1700's-1800's Slavery, but more the "losers become slaves" thing the whole world followed, including the natives amongst themselves.

Columbus discovered America in 1492, Luther didn't post his 95 thesis until 1517,

Agreed, but I was talking about the colonization period in general , and I believe the Dutch Reformed Church had a Lutheran basis to it.

 

[rightwinger]

But by the same token, what we remember him for wasn't that impressive either. He wasn't the first European to get to the Americas, and someone else would have gotten here after him if he hadn't.

Others may have come to the New World before 1492 but after Columbus, exploration and settlement escalated.
Other explorers were traveling the coast of Africa and Asia. After Columbus, they headed west.

 

[martybegan]

Just one quibble, the Catholic Church was the moral compass only for the Spaniards, Portugese and French. For the English you have to go with the CoE, for the Dutch whatever reformed Lutheran thing they had going at the time.

And the slavery at the time of Columbus wasn't the 1700's-1800's Slavery, but more the "losers become slaves" thing the whole world followed, including the natives amongst themselves.

Your history is a bit confused.

The thing was, the Spainards did try to enslave the Native Americans, and they were dying off faster than they could be enslaved. to the point by 1600, 3/4th of the Native population had died off. That's why they started bringing over lots of slaves from Africa... When they couldn't do that anymore, they brought over Coolies from China and Irish immigrants to do the awful work.

Kind of the way of the world, the rich and powerful exploiting the less rich.

Not at all. what is confusing is why you call it genocide and at the same time admit they were trying to exploit them for labor. The exploitation had priority over killing them, because they wanted the labor long term, unlike the Nazis who just wanted to work the jews to death before killing them off.

Your viewpoint is based on your own self loathing apparently. It explains a lot about your postings.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The question in my view is who should replace Columbus

If the left hates Columbus, I stand with him.

 

[Redcurtain]

you want to celebrate a day where people use genocide to take land. You just don’t want to celebrate the one that has your same color skin..
how long have you been insane or decided to hate yourself? Lol

Um, no, that still didn't make a lick of sense, buddy.

yeah cause that bad ass Columbus slaughtered so many American Indians....

Well, uh, yeah, he did. He reduced the native population of Hispaniola from 500,000 to less than 300 within a century... His behavior was so bad that he was brought back to Spain in chains after his third voyage. We could also talk about the nine-year old girl he took as a sex slave... but that would be piling on.

So you’re unaware that the Native Americans use genocide to take land from other Native Americans.. Is this like a history lesson for you? Lol This is why the left should not be allowed to vote they don’t have a very good education

 

[Taz]

Rabid libs are desecrating on Columbus statues and disrespecting the tremendous contribution of this fantastic Italian.

The question in my view is who should replace Columbus, his statues and the huge annual celebrations that Americans traditionally celebrate in the annual holiday honoring the Italian people

How about replacing Columbus with San Rocco? Have annual an annual festa in Italian towns in America like they did in the Godfather film?

Columbus never set foot in North America. Not even sure why we celebrate him.

The Caribbean Islands are considered part of North America, not South America, and definitely not the Indian Subcontinent.

You could have bitched about him not setting foot on the Mainland, but that's kind of like saying someone didn't visit Europe because they only set foot on Ireland and England.

Wherever he landed wasn't in the US. So not an American hero.

 

[Polishprince]

The question in my view is who should replace Columbus

If the left hates Columbus, I stand with him.

Fair enough, but should Rocco replace Columbus as the symbol of Italy?

 

[Hellbilly]

Rabid libs are desecrating on Columbus statues and disrespecting the tremendous contribution of this fantastic Italian.

The question in my view is who should replace Columbus, his statues and the huge annual celebrations that Americans traditionally celebrate in the annual holiday honoring the Italian people

We should replace it with Indigenous People's Day to remember the Native Americans who were genocided to build this country.

We did that here in Vermont.
Columbus day is a thing of the past.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Rabid libs are desecrating on Columbus statues and disrespecting the tremendous contribution of this fantastic Italian.

The question in my view is who should replace Columbus, his statues and the huge annual celebrations that Americans traditionally celebrate in the annual holiday honoring the Italian people

We should replace it with Indigenous People's Day to remember the Native Americans who were genocided to build this country.

 

[Polishprince]

Rabid libs are desecrating on Columbus statues and disrespecting the tremendous contribution of this fantastic Italian.

The question in my view is who should replace Columbus, his statues and the huge annual celebrations that Americans traditionally celebrate in the annual holiday honoring the Italian people

We should replace it with Indigenous People's Day to remember the Native Americans who were genocided to build this country.

We did that here in Vermont.
Columbus day is a thing of the past.

And how do Vermont people celebrate the accomplishments of the Italian people?

 

[martybegan]

Rabid libs are desecrating on Columbus statues and disrespecting the tremendous contribution of this fantastic Italian.

The question in my view is who should replace Columbus, his statues and the huge annual celebrations that Americans traditionally celebrate in the annual holiday honoring the Italian people

How about replacing Columbus with San Rocco? Have annual an annual festa in Italian towns in America like they did in the Godfather film?

Columbus never set foot in North America. Not even sure why we celebrate him.

The Caribbean Islands are considered part of North America, not South America, and definitely not the Indian Subcontinent.

You could have bitched about him not setting foot on the Mainland, but that's kind of like saying someone didn't visit Europe because they only set foot on Ireland and England.

Wherever he landed wasn't in the US. So not an American hero.

He led to the colonization of the Americas, and thus the eventual creation of the US.

 

[martybegan]

Rabid libs are desecrating on Columbus statues and disrespecting the tremendous contribution of this fantastic Italian.

The question in my view is who should replace Columbus, his statues and the huge annual celebrations that Americans traditionally celebrate in the annual holiday honoring the Italian people

We should replace it with Indigenous People's Day to remember the Native Americans who were genocided to build this country.

We did that here in Vermont.
Columbus day is a thing of the past.

The SJW government of Vermont did it.

I'm sure people will continue to call it Columbus day there, until jackboot twats like you try to outlaw that.

 

[Hellbilly]

Rabid libs are desecrating on Columbus statues and disrespecting the tremendous contribution of this fantastic Italian.

The question in my view is who should replace Columbus, his statues and the huge annual celebrations that Americans traditionally celebrate in the annual holiday honoring the Italian people

We should replace it with Indigenous People's Day to remember the Native Americans who were genocided to build this country.

We did that here in Vermont.
Columbus day is a thing of the past.

And how do Vermont people celebrate the accomplishments of the Italian people?

We watch Rocky movies.
Rocky! Rocky!

How do you celebrate Indigenous Peoples?

 

[Hellbilly]

The SJW government of Vermont did it.

Approved by our Republican Governor.

 

[Likkmee]

They call it Smallpox Day here....Ok.... Culture Day but it isn't a real holiday.Nobody much gives it a thought.,,,,Their money IS named after that asshole tho ?

 

[martybegan]

The SJW government of Vermont did it.

Approved by our Republican Governor.

The he's an idiot.

 

[Hellbilly]

The SJW government of Vermont did it.

Approved by our Republican Governor.

The he's an idiot.

Actually he’s not.
Under his leadership Vermont has the lowest Covid numbers in the country.