Replacing Columbus Day

[Polishprince]

Rabid libs are desecrating on Columbus statues and disrespecting the tremendous contribution of this fantastic Italian.

The question in my view is who should replace Columbus, his statues and the huge annual celebrations that Americans traditionally celebrate in the annual holiday honoring the Italian people

How about replacing Columbus with San Rocco? Have annual an annual festa in Italian towns in America like they did in the Godfather film?

 

[Aletheia4u]

They are just a group of anti-Semitic pigs.

 

[JoeB131]

Rabid libs are desecrating on Columbus statues and disrespecting the tremendous contribution of this fantastic Italian.

The question in my view is who should replace Columbus, his statues and the huge annual celebrations that Americans traditionally celebrate in the annual holiday honoring the Italian people

We should replace it with Indigenous People's Day to remember the Native Americans who were genocided to build this country.

 

[martybegan]

Rabid libs are desecrating on Columbus statues and disrespecting the tremendous contribution of this fantastic Italian.

The question in my view is who should replace Columbus, his statues and the huge annual celebrations that Americans traditionally celebrate in the annual holiday honoring the Italian people

We should replace it with Indigenous People's Day to remember the Native Americans who were genocided to build this country.

They weren't subject to genocide (genocided isn't a word), they were exploited, just like they were doing to each other, except Europeans had better weapons.

Make another holiday if you wish, but stop being such a snowflake when it comes to Columbus Day.

 

[rightwinger]

Rabid libs are desecrating on Columbus statues and disrespecting the tremendous contribution of this fantastic Italian.

The question in my view is who should replace Columbus, his statues and the huge annual celebrations that Americans traditionally celebrate in the annual holiday honoring the Italian people

We should replace it with Indigenous People's Day to remember the Native Americans who were genocided to build this country.

I think we can have both

Columbus is not responsible for the morals of his era. He was no better and no worse than anyone else of the time.

There was no enlightened group protesting the subjugation of indigenous people. The moral compass was the Catholic Church who encouraged the conquest and conversion of savages and did not oppose slavery

 

[wamose]

If Biden is elected he will no doubt replace Columbus Day with the Chinese Labor Day, May 1. Of course that will come with an 80% decrease in wages. Biden is the American workers worst enemy.

 

[Taz]

Rabid libs are desecrating on Columbus statues and disrespecting the tremendous contribution of this fantastic Italian.

The question in my view is who should replace Columbus, his statues and the huge annual celebrations that Americans traditionally celebrate in the annual holiday honoring the Italian people

How about replacing Columbus with San Rocco? Have annual an annual festa in Italian towns in America like they did in the Godfather film?

Columbus never set foot in North America. Not even sure why we celebrate him.

 

[JoeB131]

They weren't subject to genocide (genocided isn't a word), they were exploited, just like they were doing to each other, except Europeans had better weapons.

Make another holiday if you wish, but stop being such a snowflake when it comes to Columbus Day.

No, son, they were outright genocided.. As in we wiped them out more thoroughly than the Nazis did the Jews.

In fact, when Hitler was coming up with the idea for concentration camps, he pointed out American Indian Reservations as an example.

We get change holidays all the time... We consolidated Lincoln and Washington's birthday into President's day. We changed Armistice Day to Veteran's Day when we figured out that WWI wasn't the war that ended all wars. Columbus doesn't deserve a holiday...

So let's get back to brass tacks... why this is an issue at all.

Because reality conflicts with our self image...

Our Self-image- America is a land of the free where people come here to make their fortunes.

Our Reality - America is a place where white people benefited from the suffering of people of color.

That reality is brought up every night in our cities where riots are still going on every night.

 

[Polishprince]

Rabid libs are desecrating on Columbus statues and disrespecting the tremendous contribution of this fantastic Italian.

The question in my view is who should replace Columbus, his statues and the huge annual celebrations that Americans traditionally celebrate in the annual holiday honoring the Italian people

We should replace it with Indigenous People's Day to remember the Native Americans who were genocided to build this country.

Your proposal would leave America without any holiday at all to celebrate the contributions of Italians, who BTW aren't considered to be indigenous.

 

[martybegan]

They weren't subject to genocide (genocided isn't a word), they were exploited, just like they were doing to each other, except Europeans had better weapons.

Make another holiday if you wish, but stop being such a snowflake when it comes to Columbus Day.

No, son, they were outright genocided.. As in we wiped them out more thoroughly than the Nazis did the Jews.

In fact, when Hitler was coming up with the idea for concentration camps, he pointed out American Indian Reservations as an example.

We get change holidays all the time... We consolidated Lincoln and Washington's birthday into President's day. We changed Armistice Day to Veteran's Day when we figured out that WWI wasn't the war that ended all wars. Columbus doesn't deserve a holiday...

So let's get back to brass tacks... why this is an issue at all.

Because reality conflicts with our self image...

Our Self-image- America is a land of the free where people come here to make their fortunes.

Our Reality - America is a place where white people benefited from the suffering of people of color.

That reality is brought up every night in our cities where riots are still going on every night.

The Spaniards, who probably were the most vicious colonizers, inter-breeded with them on a large scale, so the Nazi comparison go rights out the window. It's why today you have some Hispanics who look very native, and some who look like they came off the boat from Barcelona, like my Puerto Rican Aunt did.

Please give me a link showing the Nazi's based their camp ideas on reservations, and not wartime comparison propaganda.

A more telling comparison would be the camps the British used during the Boer wars, and even that was mostly propaganda.

 

[Polishprince]

Rabid libs are desecrating on Columbus statues and disrespecting the tremendous contribution of this fantastic Italian.

The question in my view is who should replace Columbus, his statues and the huge annual celebrations that Americans traditionally celebrate in the annual holiday honoring the Italian people

How about replacing Columbus with San Rocco? Have annual an annual festa in Italian towns in America like they did in the Godfather film?

Columbus never set foot in North America. Not even sure why we celebrate him.

Because he stood up to the settled scientists of his day who said the world was flat. And because he was Italian and America needed to start a holiday to celebrate their contributions. Since everyone knew who Columbus was, why not?

 

[Obiwan]

 

[martybegan]

Rabid libs are desecrating on Columbus statues and disrespecting the tremendous contribution of this fantastic Italian.

The question in my view is who should replace Columbus, his statues and the huge annual celebrations that Americans traditionally celebrate in the annual holiday honoring the Italian people

We should replace it with Indigenous People's Day to remember the Native Americans who were genocided to build this country.

I think we can have both

Columbus is not responsible for the morals of his era. He was no better and no worse than anyone else of the time.

There was no enlightened group protesting the subjugation of indigenous people. The moral compass was the Catholic Church who encouraged the conquest and conversion of savages and did not oppose slavery

Just one quibble, the Catholic Church was the moral compass only for the Spaniards, Portugese and French. For the English you have to go with the CoE, for the Dutch whatever reformed Lutheran thing they had going at the time.

And the slavery at the time of Columbus wasn't the 1700's-1800's Slavery, but more the "losers become slaves" thing the whole world followed, including the natives amongst themselves.

 

[martybegan]

Rabid libs are desecrating on Columbus statues and disrespecting the tremendous contribution of this fantastic Italian.

The question in my view is who should replace Columbus, his statues and the huge annual celebrations that Americans traditionally celebrate in the annual holiday honoring the Italian people

How about replacing Columbus with San Rocco? Have annual an annual festa in Italian towns in America like they did in the Godfather film?

Columbus never set foot in North America. Not even sure why we celebrate him.

The Caribbean Islands are considered part of North America, not South America, and definitely not the Indian Subcontinent.

You could have bitched about him not setting foot on the Mainland, but that's kind of like saying someone didn't visit Europe because they only set foot on Ireland and England.

 

[Polishprince]

Rabid libs are desecrating on Columbus statues and disrespecting the tremendous contribution of this fantastic Italian.

The question in my view is who should replace Columbus, his statues and the huge annual celebrations that Americans traditionally celebrate in the annual holiday honoring the Italian people

We should replace it with Indigenous People's Day to remember the Native Americans who were genocided to build this country.

I think we can have both

Columbus is not responsible for the morals of his era. He was no better and no worse than anyone else of the time.

There was no enlightened group protesting the subjugation of indigenous people. The moral compass was the Catholic Church who encouraged the conquest and conversion of savages and did not oppose slavery

Just one quibble, the Catholic Church was the moral compass only for the Spaniards, Portugese and French. For the English you have to go with the CoE, for the Dutch whatever reformed Lutheran thing they had going at the time.

And the slavery at the time of Columbus wasn't the 1700's-1800's Slavery, but more the "losers become slaves" thing the whole world followed, including the natives amongst themselves.

Columbus discovered America in 1492, Luther didn't post his 95 thesis until 1517,

 

[Redcurtain]

Rabid libs are desecrating on Columbus statues and disrespecting the tremendous contribution of this fantastic Italian.

The question in my view is who should replace Columbus, his statues and the huge annual celebrations that Americans traditionally celebrate in the annual holiday honoring the Italian people

We should replace it with Indigenous People's Day to remember the Native Americans who were genocided to build this country.

So you want to celebrate people that genocide other people you just wont celebrate yours because of the color of your skin? Lol Interesting how long have you been insane?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Rabid libs are desecrating on Columbus statues and disrespecting the tremendous contribution of this fantastic Italian.

The question in my view is who should replace Columbus, his statues and the huge annual celebrations that Americans traditionally celebrate in the annual holiday honoring the Italian people

We should replace it with Indigenous People's Day to remember the Native Americans who were genocided to build this country.

Yeah... cause there is no other place on earth where people invaded other people.
You should move to Canada... oh...wait... but the French did the same thing there... darn

 

[JoeB131]

I think we can have both

Columbus is not responsible for the morals of his era. He was no better and no worse than anyone else of the time.

There was no enlightened group protesting the subjugation of indigenous people. The moral compass was the Catholic Church who encouraged the conquest and conversion of savages and did not oppose slavery

But by the same token, what we remember him for wasn't that impressive either. He wasn't the first European to get to the Americas, and someone else would have gotten here after him if he hadn't.

So what we are celebrating is not so much him, but what he started... and maybe we need to rethink if that was entirely a good thing. It certainly wasn't for the Native Americans who died or the Africans who were brought over in chains because the Natives were dying faster than they could be enslaved.

So you want to celebrate people that genocide other people you just wont celebrate yours because of the color of your skin? Lol Interesting how long have you been insane?

That made absolutely not a lick of sense... Let's try someone else who can try to articulate the thought better.

Yeah... cause there is no other place on earth where people invaded other people.

No, but we don't give THEM holidays, either.

We don't have Attila the Hun day or Ghengis Khan Day or Hitler Day or even Napoleon Day.

 

[rightwinger]

Rabid libs are desecrating on Columbus statues and disrespecting the tremendous contribution of this fantastic Italian.

The question in my view is who should replace Columbus, his statues and the huge annual celebrations that Americans traditionally celebrate in the annual holiday honoring the Italian people

How about replacing Columbus with San Rocco? Have annual an annual festa in Italian towns in America like they did in the Godfather film?

Columbus never set foot in North America. Not even sure why we celebrate him.

Because he stood up to the settled scientists of his day who said the world was flat. And because he was Italian and America needed to start a holiday to celebrate their contributions. Since everyone knew who Columbus was, why not?

Scientists never believed the earth was flat. Only the uneducated believed that.

The only question was .....How far around was it?
Astronomers believed it was 20,000 miles around which meant that if you sailed west you could reach India in about 4,000 miles instead of 16,000 miles going East.

It turned out the earth was 24,000 miles and that extra 4,000 miles contained a new continent

 

[Redcurtain]

I think we can have both

Columbus is not responsible for the morals of his era. He was no better and no worse than anyone else of the time.

There was no enlightened group protesting the subjugation of indigenous people. The moral compass was the Catholic Church who encouraged the conquest and conversion of savages and did not oppose slavery

But by the same token, what we remember him for wasn't that impressive either. He wasn't the first European to get to the Americas, and someone else would have gotten here after him if he hadn't.

So what we are celebrating is not so much him, but what he started... and maybe we need to rethink if that was entirely a good thing. It certainly wasn't for the Native Americans who died or the Africans who were brought over in chains because the Natives were dying faster than they could be enslaved.

So you want to celebrate people that genocide other people you just wont celebrate yours because of the color of your skin? Lol Interesting how long have you been insane?

That made absolutely not a lick of sense... Let's try someone else who can try to articulate the thought better.

Yeah... cause there is no other place on earth where people invaded other people.

No, but we don't give THEM holidays, either.

We don't have Attila the Hun day or Ghengis Khan Day or Hitler Day or even Napoleon Day.

you want to celebrate a day where people use genocide to take land. You just don’t want to celebrate the one that has your same color skin..
how long have you been insane or decided to hate yourself? Lol