Repeal of the ACA will be impossible - you need 2/3's vote

[Big Fitz]

Vote out all the democrats and give President Romney a majority.

Well that's just good common sense regardless of whether Obamatax was allowed or not.

"Obamatax?"

HILARIOUS!!

The only thing your party has to run on is some faux Boston Tea Party rebellion mentality!

Didn't work in 2008 and BARELY had an effect in 2010!

Oh you liberal loonies are such an amusement on July 4th. Kinda like watching dogs freak out from the fireworks barking at the sky.

Something about the founding fathers just really sends you into some sort of synchronized epileptic fit, doesn't it?

 

[NoNukes]

yeah, because people surly can't see things for themselves.

Not right wingers, they obediently do what they are told.

Like the left? But then Conservatives follow the LAW. We are a nation of Laws, not of men. Something YOU obviously have zero regard for.

Learn it, Live it, Know it.

Trying to repeal a law that a right leaning Supreme Court says is just shows absolutely no respect for the law. You are just spoiled children trying to get your way.

 

[NoNukes]

Like the left? But then Conservatives follow the LAW. We are a nation of Laws, not of men. Something YOU obviously have zero regard for.

Learn it, Live it, Know it.

You couldn't care less about the law. Who are you kidding.

^^Has no clue.

Childish reply from a child trying to get his own way.

 

[Meister]

Why does the right wing think they will be able to repeal the ACA?

Both Romney and Obama support the individual mandate. So no matter who wins, you'll need a 2/3 vote in both houses to override their veto.

In fact, I don't see why the thing is even such a big issue, considering both major candidates support it.

If Romney gets in...well you know what he said, there won't be a vote required for an override of a veto. Not sure how the Senate races are stacking up at this point.

 

[Stephanie]

You couldn't care less about the law. Who are you kidding.

^^Has no clue.

Childish reply from a child trying to get his own way.

why should they reply to an ass any other way?

 

[Meister]

Byrd Rule

Further information: Sunset provision: The Budget Act and the Byrd Rule

Reconciliation generally involves legislation that changes the budget deficit (or conceivably, the surplus). The "Byrd Rule" (2 U.S.C. § 644, named after Democratic Senator Robert Byrd) was adopted in 1985 and amended in 1990 to outline which provisions reconciliation can and cannot be used for. The Byrd Rule defines a provision to be "extraneous" (and therefore ineligible for reconciliation) in six cases:

if it does not produce a change in outlays or revenues;
if it produces an outlay increase or revenue decrease when the instructed committee is not in compliance with its instructions;
if it is outside the jurisdiction of the committee that submitted the title or provision for inclusion in the reconciliation measure;
if it produces a change in outlays or revenues which is merely incidental to the non-budgetary components of the provision;
if it would increase the deficit for a fiscal year beyond those covered by the reconciliation measure; and
if it recommends changes in Social Security.

Any senator may raise a procedural objection to a provision believed to be extraneous, which will then be ruled on by the Presiding Officer, customarily on the advice of the Senate Parliamentarian. A vote of 60 senators is required to overturn the ruling

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It was passed as a reconciliation bill, therefore there is no prospect for a filibuster. The Senate Presiding Officer will so rule (assuming we can get the Dims into the minority position, of course). The Parliamentarian will so advise.

And there is NO need to worry about a filibuster since it has now been declared a ******* TAX bill.

There is no need for a super majority of 3/5ths or 2/3rds. A simple majority will suffice.

Indeed, if Romney wins, his VP will cast the deciding vote.

It will be repealed.

Period.

maybe the mandate penalty tax can be repealed using reconciliation, but the Health Care Bill Can not be, without 60 votes in the senate...period. and congress will have their hands full repealing those tax penalties and not the bill itself, because they have to balance the budget or the health care bill...i believe it has to be "paid for", so they have to add taxes somewhere else to make up for the loss of the mandate Penalty tax.....at least this is how I view it.

Not sure about this but, I think if the mandated tax is stripped away the rest of it can be peeled away because there wouldn't be any funding for it. Any kind of new taxes would have to pass the house?

 

[NoNukes]

^^Has no clue.

Childish reply from a child trying to get his own way.

why should they reply to an ass any other way?

More childish behaviour. I know it is a holiday, but from your posts today you must have been hitting the bottle pretty early in the day.

 

[Stephanie]

The First start to Repeal is to vote Obama OUT

 

[Meister]

Childish reply from a child trying to get his own way.

why should they reply to an ass any other way?

More childish behaviour. I know it is a holiday, but from your posts today you must have been hitting the bottle pretty early in the day.

I see you're peaking with your posts today.

 

[Salt Jones]

Obamacare won't be repealed, even if Romney wins. They don't have the guts or political will to remove kids with pre-existing conditions from insurance, kick 25 year olds off their parents insurance or cause seniors to lose their $600 drug benefit.

 

[Liability]

How was the entire bill passed in the first place?

With 60 votes in the Senate.

Not quite true.

Or at least not true enough.

In FACT, the bill passed (regardless of how many votes it got in the Senate) AND THEN there was an IMMEDIATE second vote for a RECONCILIATION ACT.

It took two bills to cram the bullshit through.

It will not need 60 votes to repeal it.

It will require just 51. Or 50 plus the future Vice President's tie breaker.

 

[Stephanie]

Childish reply from a child trying to get his own way.

why should they reply to an ass any other way?

More childish behaviour. I know it is a holiday, but from your posts today you must have been hitting the bottle pretty early in the day.

^^boring post............yawn

 

[Stephanie]

Obamacare won't be repealed, even if Romney wins. They don't have the guts or political will to remove kids with pre-existing conditions from insurance, kick 25 year olds off their parents insurance or cause seniors to lose their $600 drug benefit.

right, when nothing else lay on the dramatics

 

[francoHFW]

I'm with Schumer-If the Pubs want to make this about repealing health reform, they will surely lose. Not everyone is as dumb as the dupes on this board....do you enjoy having health costs doubling every 8 years, no guaranteed care, people with preexisting or those cut off being just shytte out of luck, 40 million people without insurance being paid for by you, no preventive care making for a country full of obese fools. Try being civilized.

Romneycare a great success, none of the PUB doom and gloom. 70% approval increasing daily. And you know the 30%: Freeloading Pub dupe haters.

Frontline said cost rises are now 2%, easily the lowest in the USA. So change the channel..

"For this reason he also provided for subsidies for individuals living below three times the federal poverty line to make insurance affordable. This “three-legged stool”—banning discrimination in insurance markets, mandating that individuals purchase insurance, and providing low-income subsidies for insurance purchase—became the basis for both our reform in Massachusetts and for the Affordable Care Act (ACA).The enormous success of health-care reform in the almost six years since its passage in Massachusetts can make us more confident that this three-legged stool will work for the nation as a whole. We have covered about two-thirds of uninsured Massachusetts residents, and have lowered the premiums in the non-group market by half relative to national premium trends. And we have done so with broad public support.

Moreover, this reform succeeded without interfering with the employer-sponsored insurance market that works for most of our residents: employer-sponsored insurance coverage has actually risen in Massachusetts, while falling sharply nationally, and the premiums for employer-sponsored insurance rose no faster in Massachusetts than they did nationally.

This was all possible because the individual mandate ended the “death spiral” of trying to obtain fairly priced insurance by just forcing insurers to charge everyone the same price. The bottom line is that we can’t have fairly priced insurance for the healthy and sick alike without the broad participation that is guaranteed by the mandate. The mandate is the spinach we have to eat to get the dessert that is fairly priced insurance coverage.

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[Liability]

Schumer may be a camera whore gasbag moron lib, but at least he's talking out of his ass -- again.

 

[NoNukes]

why should they reply to an ass any other way?

More childish behaviour. I know it is a holiday, but from your posts today you must have been hitting the bottle pretty early in the day.

^^boring post............yawn

Sleep it off Otis.

 

[Contumacious]

It was passed as a reconciliation bill, therefore there is no prospect for a filibuster. The Senate Presiding Officer will so rule (assuming we can get the Dims into the minority position, of course). The Parliamentarian will so advise.

And there is NO need to worry about a filibuster since it has now been declared a ******* TAX bill.

There is no need for a super majority of 3/5ths or 2/3rds. A simple majority will suffice.

Indeed, if Romney wins, his VP will cast the deciding vote.

It will be repealed.

Period.

maybe the mandate penalty tax can be repealed using reconciliation, but the Health Care Bill Can not be, without 60 votes in the senate...period. and congress will have their hands full repealing those tax penalties and not the bill itself, because they have to balance the budget or the health care bill...i believe it has to be "paid for", so they have to add taxes somewhere else to make up for the loss of the mandate Penalty tax.....at least this is how I view it.

How was the entire bill passed in the first place?

It's called the "shell bill scam"


The bill that passed the Senate wasn’t technically a Senate bill. Reid took a bill that had already passed the House, stripped out the provisions to turn it into a “shell bill,” and then inserted the text of ObamaCare to get around this requirement. The bill that passed the Senate was H.R.3590, which initially had to do with tax breaks for military homeowners.

H.RES.1203
Latest Title: Providing for consideration of the Senate amendments to the bill (H.R. 3590) to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to modify the first-time homebuyers credit in the case of members of the Armed Forces and certain other Federal employees, and for other purposes, and providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 4872) to provide for reconciliation pursuant to section 202 of the concurrent resolution on the budget for fiscal year 2010.


Sponsor: Rep Slaughter, Louise McIntosh [NY-28] (introduced 3/20/2010) Cosponsors (None)
Related Bills: H.R.3590, H.R.4872
Latest Major Action: 3/21/2010 Passed/agreed to in House. Status: On agreeing to the resolution Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 224 - 206 (Roll no. 163).
Latest Action: 3/21/2010 Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
House Reports: 111-448

It's the old bait-and-switch fraud being used by the congresscritters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Wiseacre]

Mitch McConnell seems to think he can repeal the ACA with 51 votes. Assuming he is the Senbate majority leader and Romney is in the WH. That would mean at least a 50-50 split, no?

McConnell: I'll repeal Obamacare as majority leader - POLITICO.com

 

[Charles_Main]

Why does the right wing think they will be able to repeal the ACA?

Both Romney and Obama support the individual mandate. So no matter who wins, you'll need a 2/3 vote in both houses to override their veto.

In fact, I don't see why the thing is even such a big issue, considering both major candidates support it.

Your a fool, Romney has promised to sign a Repeal. If he refuses once in office he will be a 1 term President.

 

[Charles_Main]

Mitch McConnell seems to think he can repeal the ACA with 51 votes. Assuming he is the Senbate majority leader and Romney is in the WH. That would mean at least a 50-50 split, no?

McConnell: I'll repeal Obamacare as majority leader - POLITICO.com

What the Jack ass Author of this thread is implying is that Romney supports the mandate and would veto any Repeal, forcing the GOP to get 2/3 Votes to over ride the Veto.

It's the wishful thinking of a Fool. Romney has promised to Repeal, and we have no reason to think he would commit political Suicide by going back on that promise after taking office.