Reparations???

[Thinker101]

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Perhaps it's time to rid ourselves of a few government funded programs. Programs such as Affirmative Action and other things meant to supposedly make reparations to specific minority groups are pretty vague in my humble opinion. The blacks site that it's reparations for slavery and things that happened to violate their civil rights since that time. However today is not then and since then there have been a large number of new immigrants who have no justification to claim such reparations just because they happen to be from Africa and elsewhere.

In what way do the American people owe "reparations" or Affirmative Action to people who immigrated here after the Civil War, much less after the Civil Rights Acts of the 50's and 60's, just because a person has dark skin?

If these programs are meant as reparations and such then the person applying for said programs should have to prove that their families were citizens of the United States during those times.

Additionally if there are immigrants who have used these programs then they should be required to return said money to the United States with interest.

*****SMILE*****

Interesting question and I HOPE we can discuss it without the racial animus that usually accompanies the subject.
First things first let's understand and agree that that black folks WERE ripped from their culture and families and made slaves. That is something not easily overcome. In fact it's something that leaves a lasting scar.

Then let's understand that after we freed these people from slavery...that they underwent a century of Jim Crow laws that were not a lot different from the slavery they had been freed from and that that only ended 50 or so years ago.

And then lets understand that black folks STILL have to deal with the results of this. All one has to do is look on THIS fucking board to see that racism is STILL an issue. One that us white folks aren't affected by but black folks confront every day

So where does that leave us?

CLearly it's a difficult question. And no one running for President is proposing that we "cut a check" to "pay for this.

That's a HUGE understanding..

Someone has very clearly focused grouped "reparations" and found that people are against direct cash payments to "fix" this.

Again. No Presidential candidates are proposing that and that changes the discussion dramatically.

So what does that leave? What are the "reparations" being proposed?

I have heard NO actual proposals. NONE.

I happen to be a project manager who deals with Federal contracts. As part of satisfying the requirements for submitting bids, a contractor has to satisfy requirements for "attempting to acquire" sub contractors who fall into minority and women owned businesses. You don't have to fulfill the "required" 15%. You have to show that you "tried".

And the reason for that is that there simply aren't enough businesses that meet those requirements. Think about that. There are just not enough businesses owned by minority folks and women to meet that 15% requirement!

That's an issue...and that's a problem.

So how do we fix that?

Low interest/no interest loans and grants.

As a small business owner...I can tell you that those are simply not available to ANYONE. They are just not there for anyone and they would result in middle class business growth and job growth.

Do we target them at all low income businesses? Do we do that AND make an emphasis towards minority/women owned business?

I say we do ALL of that.

Small business is he engine of Democracy

And THAT is what Kamala Harris is talking about

You do realize that many of the "black folks that were ripped from their culture and families" were sold by their own family members.

 

[Lesh]

So in other words, you don't know either. Since neither of us know, I took the liberty to look up the definitions of reparations, and here is what I found:

Again...I addressed it earlier and you completely ignored what I posted.

But I have taken the liberty of looking up the candidates statements on this subject and NONE...NONE of them are talking about PAYMENTS.

So if you want to be honest...address my previous post

 

[Lesh]

You do realize that many of the "black folks that were ripped from their culture and families" were sold by their own family members.

No evidence to support this and irrelevant in any case.

You're seriously trying to blame slaves for slavery?

 

[Thinker101]

You do realize that many of the "black folks that were ripped from their culture and families" were sold by their own family members.

No evidence to support this and irrelevant in any case.

You're seriously trying to blame slaves for slavery?

Yup, be as stupid as you want.

 

[Lesh]

So you just proved yourself to be a lair or stupid.

Nothing in that mentions families selling family members into slavery.

And blaming blacks for selling their enemies from different tribes to ty to excuse white Americans from BUYING those slaves (thus creating that market) is ...disgusting and dishonest.

The SLAVES..the ones HERE...bear no responsibility for their condition.

Fail on all counts

 

[impuretrash]

So you just proved yourself to be a lair or stupid.

Nothing in that mentions families selling family members into slavery.

And blaming blacks for selling their enemies from different tribes to ty to excuse white Americans from BUYING those slaves (thus creating that market) is ...disgusting and dishonest.

The SLAVES..the ones HERE...bear no responsibility for their condition.

Fail on all counts

Muslim Arabs created the African slave trade.

 

[LeftofLeft]

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Perhaps it's time to rid ourselves of a few government funded programs. Programs such as Affirmative Action and other things meant to supposedly make reparations to specific minority groups are pretty vague in my humble opinion. The blacks site that it's reparations for slavery and things that happened to violate their civil rights since that time. However today is not then and since then there have been a large number of new immigrants who have no justification to claim such reparations just because they happen to be from Africa and elsewhere.

In what way do the American people owe "reparations" or Affirmative Action to people who immigrated here after the Civil War, much less after the Civil Rights Acts of the 50's and 60's, just because a person has dark skin?

If these programs are meant as reparations and such then the person applying for said programs should have to prove that their families were citizens of the United States during those times.

Additionally if there are immigrants who have used these programs then they should be required to return said money to the United States with interest.

*****SMILE*****

I said in another post, that since it was Democrats who owned slave, Democrats that fought to keep them slave, and Democrats after slavery was abolished, terrorized the ex-slaves, that it should be every Democrat Voter who should be taxed $1000 a year to pay for the reparations to those who were descendants were slave, but also the descendants of the white soldiers that fought to free the slaves. If that doesnt get the fucking moronic Democrats to shut up about reparations I dont know what would.

Great point. Further, since it were Africans who started-and, continue slave trade, they should pay reparations as well.

 

[Lesh]

So in spite of knowing differently you insist on blaming slaves for slavery?

Whites BOUGHT those slaves and transported them here. Creating that market

Oh...

 

[Hossfly]

So in spite of knowing differently you insist on blaming slaves for slavery?

Whites BOUGHT those slaves and transported them here. Creating that market

Oh...

You should spend some time in the library. The librarian can give you a list of books to study.

 

[Lesh]

Jesus Christ. None of that excuses 250 years of slavery and 100 years of Jim Crow laws.

But yea..if you think you can get Nigeria or the Ivory Coast to grant low interest loans or grants to aspiring businesses...you go for it

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So in other words, you don't know either. Since neither of us know, I took the liberty to look up the definitions of reparations, and here is what I found:

Again...I addressed it earlier and you completely ignored what I posted.

But I have taken the liberty of looking up the candidates statements on this subject and NONE...NONE of them are talking about PAYMENTS.

So if you want to be honest...address my previous post

I did. You said you had no idea of what they meant either. Reparations means payments, or did you not read the dictionary definition I posted?

 

[impuretrash]

Jesus Christ. None of that excuses 250 years of slavery and 100 years of Jim Crow laws.

But yea..if you think you can get Nigeria or the Ivory Coast to grant low interest loans or grants to aspiring businesses...you go for it

Does anything excuse hundreds of years of Mexicans practicing slavery, genocide and gory human sacrifice? How about the Romans and their treatment of Christians? What about European pagans being persecuted by Christians? Is there a cutoff point to how far back in history a group can dig to claim victimization status?

 

[Thinker101]

Interesting how some reply to messages without doing so via the reply button. Guess that's one way to get your two cents in without the other person making a fool of you....again. Isn't that right Lesh?

 

[Lesh]

Reparations means payments,

NO CANDIDATE...I repeat..NONE has proposed reparation PAYMENTS.

NONE

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Let me ask, if new technology revealed that your grandfather robbed a bank but was never caught, should you be imprisoned for his actions now that he isn't around?

No I shouldn’t. I also don’t think that is an accurate comparison to this situation

It's an exact comparison. If you believe in reparations, then what you believe are that people today should be paying a debt for the actions of generations before them; people they've never met and probably never heard of.

I’m not in favor of blanket reparations. I’m open to hearing ideas and responding to them. I think affirmative action was a good idea in the 60s and 70s following the civil rights act, which I support as well. There were generations of people that were held back and restricted of opportunity for employment and education by our laws. It makes sense to provide a balancing factor to make up for that in order to right the scales. Not forever but for a period of time. Do you agree?

No I do not. I'm 58 years old and only as a child actually remember people being openly discriminated against. In other words the people that suffered that discrimination are long gone or very old now and likely on some sort of social program whether they contributed to it or not.

If it's one thing I think we can all agree on, this subject (which keeps coming up) is for political purposes only and will likely not result in anything. I believe that those of working age today have no issues they did not create for themselves. In the black community, their problem is not what happened to their father or grandfather. Their problem is single-family homes, lack of education by dropping out of school, and parent(s) who don't look over their children. In other words, their problems are self-made, not the result of people that lived before them, slavery or Jim Crow.

You are being extremely short sighted. For example. Generally speaking, which child has a better chance of going to college? A child from a high class family who’s parents and grandparents all went to college or a child from a poor family who’s parents didn’t complete high school? Simple question, please give a simple and direct answer

The child that has the best chance at going to college is the one who studied the hardest and got the better grades. It's not up to race, it's up to accomplishments.

 

[Lesh]

Pardon me for reposting the below...but you tards seem bound and determined to live in your own reality

Interesting question and I HOPE we can discuss it without the racial animus that usually accompanies the subject.
First things first let's understand and agree that that black folks WERE ripped from their culture and families and made slaves. That is something not easily overcome. In fact it's something that leaves a lasting scar.

Then let's understand that after we freed these people from slavery...that they underwent a century of Jim Crow laws that were not a lot different from the slavery they had been freed from and that that only ended 50 or so years ago.

And then lets understand that black folks STILL have to deal with the results of this. All one has to do is look on THIS fucking board to see that racism is STILL an issue. One that us white folks aren't affected by but black folks confront every day

So where does that leave us?

Clearly it's a difficult question. And no one running for President is proposing that we "cut a check" to "pay for this.

That's a HUGE understanding..

Someone has very clearly focused grouped "reparations" and found that people are against direct cash payments to "fix" this.

Again. No Presidential candidates are proposing that and that changes the discussion dramatically.

So what does that leave? What are the "reparations" being proposed?

I have heard NO actual proposals. NONE.

I happen to be a project manager who deals with Federal contracts. As part of satisfying the requirements for submitting bids, a contractor has to satisfy requirements for "attempting to acquire" sub contractors who fall into minority and women owned businesses. You don't have to fulfill the "required" 15%. You have to show that you "tried".

And the reason for that is that there simply aren't enough businesses that meet those requirements. Think about that. There are just not enough businesses owned by minority folks and women to meet that 15% requirement!

That's an issue...and that's a problem.

So how do we fix that?

Low interest/no interest loans and grants.

As a small business owner...I can tell you that those are simply not available to ANYONE. They are just not there for anyone and they would result in middle class business growth and job growth.

Do we target them at all low income businesses? Do we do that AND make an emphasis towards minority/women owned business?

I say we do ALL of that.

Small business is he engine of Democracy

And THAT is what Kamala Harris is talking about

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Reparations means payments,

NO CANDIDATE...I repeat..NONE has proposed reparation PAYMENTS.

NONE

Then it's not reparations (at least by definition) is it?

 

[impuretrash]

Pardon me for reposting the below...but you tards seem bound and determined to live in your own reality

Interesting question and I HOPE we can discuss it without the racial animus that usually accompanies the subject.
First things first let's understand and agree that that black folks WERE ripped from their culture and families and made slaves. That is something not easily overcome. In fact it's something that leaves a lasting scar.

Then let's understand that after we freed these people from slavery...that they underwent a century of Jim Crow laws that were not a lot different from the slavery they had been freed from and that that only ended 50 or so years ago.

And then lets understand that black folks STILL have to deal with the results of this. All one has to do is look on THIS fucking board to see that racism is STILL an issue. One that us white folks aren't affected by but black folks confront every day

So where does that leave us?

Clearly it's a difficult question. And no one running for President is proposing that we "cut a check" to "pay for this.

That's a HUGE understanding..

Someone has very clearly focused grouped "reparations" and found that people are against direct cash payments to "fix" this.

Again. No Presidential candidates are proposing that and that changes the discussion dramatically.

So what does that leave? What are the "reparations" being proposed?

I have heard NO actual proposals. NONE.

I happen to be a project manager who deals with Federal contracts. As part of satisfying the requirements for submitting bids, a contractor has to satisfy requirements for "attempting to acquire" sub contractors who fall into minority and women owned businesses. You don't have to fulfill the "required" 15%. You have to show that you "tried".

And the reason for that is that there simply aren't enough businesses that meet those requirements. Think about that. There are just not enough businesses owned by minority folks and women to meet that 15% requirement!

That's an issue...and that's a problem.

So how do we fix that?

Low interest/no interest loans and grants.

As a small business owner...I can tell you that those are simply not available to ANYONE. They are just not there for anyone and they would result in middle class business growth and job growth.

Do we target them at all low income businesses? Do we do that AND make an emphasis towards minority/women owned business?

I say we do ALL of that.

Small business is he engine of Democracy

And THAT is what Kamala Harris is talking about

How do you FORCE black transgender muslim women to become interested in running a business?

 

[Lesh]

Why do you talk about dictionaries and not candidates actual statements?

Because it suits your race baiting narrative?

Oh...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why do you talk about dictionaries and not candidates actual statements?

Because it suits your race baiting narrative?

Oh...

I don't know what they are asking, and when I questioned you about it, you didn't know either.