Renewables continue to increase the percentage of power they generate for the grid

[Sunsettommy]

Poor stupid old ass. Ever hear of pumped hydro, grid scale batteries, and many other ways of storing energy? Maybe you should try to move into the 21st century from the 19th.

Which are economically expensive, inefficient and unreliable.

The AI builders have already decided NOT to go with Ruinables because it is a a waste of $$$ take up too much land and intermittent.

It is clear you have no idea how much continuous energy AI requires which Ruinables have never been able to supply as Solar doesn't work at night, Wind can be none for days at a time and batteries have too little reserve capacity to be worth shit.

Hydropower is already fully applied by contracts in the west thus not easily available for huge AI power expansion requirements.

You are so ******* ignorant that it BURNS!!!

 

[Old Rocks]

They'd probably prefer cheap, reliable energy instead.

Approximately 62%
In 2024, approximately 62% of Oregon's total electricity generation came from renewable sources, with hydroelectric power accounting for about 41%. Wind energy contributed 15% to the state's electricity generation.

U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

Electrical​

In 2025, Oregon residents can expect to spend about $164 per month on electricity, which is 35% lower than the national average electric bill of $3,036. The average electric rates in Oregon cost 18 ¢/kWh, leading to an average electricity customer using 935.00 kWh of electricity per month and 11,220 kWh over the course of the year. This data is aggregated over the past six months, and over the next 25 years, residents should expect to pay $67,200 on electric bills in Oregon. To reduce electric bills, residents can use less electricity or install a solar system, which can help offset the cost of electricity.
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=9b44...S1jb3N0LW9mLXV0aWxpdGllcy1pbi1vcmVnb24v&ntb=1
realestates.network
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=9b44...S1jb3N0LW9mLXV0aWxpdGllcy1pbi1vcmVnb24v&ntb=1
So, with hydro at 41%, wind at 15%, that leaves solar at 6%. And we have huge areas of high desert where the deer, antelope, and jack rabbits would appreciate some shade from the solar panels. Also two thirds of South Eastern Oregon have high basalt ridges with an almost constant high wind.

 

[Old Rocks]

Which are economically expensive, inefficient and unreliable.

The AI builders have already decided NOT to go with Ruinables because it is a a waste of $$$ take up too much land and intermittent.

It is clear you have no idea how much continuous energy AI requires which Ruinables have never been able to supply as Solar doesn't work at night, Wind can be none for days at a time and batteries have too little reserve capacity to be worth shit.

Hydropower is already fully applied by contracts in the west thus not easily available for huge AI power expansion requirements.

You are so ******* ignorant that it BURNS!!!

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Study finds microgrids with wind, solar, and batteries can be built years sooner and at lower cost than SMRs​

Dan Robinson
Fri 26 Sep 2025 // 15:30 UTC

Renewable energy sources could power datacenters at a lower cost than relying on nuclear generation from small modular reactors (SMRs), claims a recently revealed study.

Wind and solar will power datacenters more cheaply than SMRs

: Study finds microgrids with wind, solar, and batteries can be built years sooner and at lower cost than SMRs

www.theregister.com

My, my, just repeating the nonsense the fossil fuel assholes dole out, aren't you.

 

[Anathema]

My, my, so those data centers will just have to wait for ten years for them to build the nuke plants. LOL Wind and solar farms can be built in less than a year.

Yes, but can they be hooked up? I know of probably 50 ME of solar thsts built but not running because it cannot be connected to the existing distribution electric system in those areas.

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, then you're a dumbass. Up here in Northern Nevada we had lumber barons, cattle barons, Jewish merchants, and..of course, the mine owners. Who were all rich.

They used copper all over the place. Hell, Nevada had the first remote voting in the whole world.

It's amazing what you can learn if only you read a little.

You are correct;

In Nevada, copper is used extensively for various applications, including roofing. A typical 2,100 square-foot single-family house uses approximately 439 pounds of copper. Copper roofs are known for their durability and resistance to weather, making them a popular choice for roofing in the region. Additionally, Nevada is one of the top copper producers in the United States, contributing significantly to the overall copper production in the country.
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=715a...rbm93LWEtbmV2YWRhLW1pbmVyYWwtY29wcGVyLw&ntb=1
Nevada Mining Association+1

A bit spendy today;


The cost of a copper roof for a 2100 square foot home can vary significantly based on several factors. Here are some estimates:

• The average cost to install a copper roof is around $55,000, with most homeowners spending between $45,000 and $90,000.
  
  1
• Copper roofing typically costs between $15 to $30 per square foot, including both materials and labor.
  
  1
• For a 2100 square foot home, the total cost could range from $3,750 to $6,600 for materials alone, depending on the type of copper and installation complexity.
  
  2
  For a more accurate estimate, it's advisable to consult with local roofing contractors who can provide a detailed quote based on your specific needs and location.
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  3 Sources

 

[Old Rocks]

Yes, but can they be hooked up? I know of probably 50 ME of solar thsts built but not running because it cannot be connected to the existing distribution electric system in those areas.

And what is the reason that the solar cannot or is not allowed to be connected to the grid?

 

[Old Rocks]

You've reached the point of gaslighting.

Congratulations.

Oh my, another dumb ****. LOL

Present​

The United States has seen a significant increase in renewable energy production, with solar and wind power reaching record levels in 2024. Solar power accounted for 53% of new generating capacity in 2023, marking the first time in 80 years that a renewable energy resource was a majority of capacity additions. The U.S. electric grid added 54 gigawatts of new renewable power-generating capacity, with almost 40 gigawatts of that coming from new solar installations. Battery storage, which allows solar and wind farms to feed power into the electric grid even when the sun is down or the wind isn’t blowing, also increased significantly. The United States is now the second-largest energy storage market in the world, following China.

World Resources Institute

Increase​

The global renewable energy capacity is experiencing a remarkable increase, with projections indicating that the world will add more than 5,500 gigawatts (GW) of new renewable energy capacity between 2024 and 2030. This growth is driven by supportive policies, favorable economics, and the construction of new large solar power plants, as well as an increase in rooftop solar installations by companies and households.
China is set to account for almost 60% of all renewable capacity installed worldwide between now and 2030, making it home to almost half of the world’s total renewable power capacity by the end of this decade. India is growing at the fastest rate among major economies.
The wind sector is also poised for a recovery, with the rate of expansion doubling between 2024 and 2030, compared with the period between 2017 and 2023. Already, wind and solar PV are the cheapest options to add new electricity generation in almost every country.
Nearly 70 countries that collectively account for 80% of global renewable power capacity are poised to reach or surpass their current renewable ambitions for 2030. However, the growth is not fully in line with the goal set by nearly 200 governments at the COP28 climate change conference in December 2023 to triple the world’s renewable capacity this decade.

IEA – International Energy Agency

 

[Anathema]

And what is the reason that the solar cannot or is not allowed to be connected to the grid?

The distribution grid in those areas is already at its maximum capacity and either upgrades have not been able to be completed yet, or agreement for those upgrades have not yet been made.

 

[Old Rocks]

The distribution grid in those areas is already at its maximum capacity and either upgrades have not been able to be completed yet, or agreement for those upgrades have not yet been made.

And those upgrades will have to be done, no matter what the source of power is. So the fault lies not with the renewables, but with the planning and priorities of the local governments and utilities. One good reason for one to develop their own source of power.

 

[westwall]

You are correct;

In Nevada, copper is used extensively for various applications, including roofing. A typical 2,100 square-foot single-family house uses approximately 439 pounds of copper. Copper roofs are known for their durability and resistance to weather, making them a popular choice for roofing in the region. Additionally, Nevada is one of the top copper producers in the United States, contributing significantly to the overall copper production in the country.
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=715a...rbm93LWEtbmV2YWRhLW1pbmVyYWwtY29wcGVyLw&ntb=1
Nevada Mining Association+1
A bit spendy today;


The cost of a copper roof for a 2100 square foot home can vary significantly based on several factors. Here are some estimates:

• The average cost to install a copper roof is around $55,000, with most homeowners spending between $45,000 and $90,000.
  
  1
• Copper roofing typically costs between $15 to $30 per square foot, including both materials and labor.
  
  1
• For a 2100 square foot home, the total cost could range from $3,750 to $6,600 for materials alone, depending on the type of copper and installation complexity.
  
  2
  For a more accurate estimate, it's advisable to consult with local roofing contractors who can provide a detailed quote based on your specific needs and location.
• 
  
  
  
  
  
  3 Sources

Duh, I know my own state. Dummy.

 

[Concerned American]

In the meantime, the panels then will probably be double the efficiency of those we have today

And you would have replaced them twice --- as the CA array can attest after 11 yrs.

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/solar-plant-on-i-15-near-its-end-shutting-off-in-2026-officials-say/

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Approximately 62%
In 2024, approximately 62% of Oregon's total electricity generation came from renewable sources, with hydroelectric power accounting for about 41%. Wind energy contributed 15% to the state's electricity generation.
U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

Electrical​

In 2025, Oregon residents can expect to spend about $164 per month on electricity, which is 35% lower than the national average electric bill of $3,036. The average electric rates in Oregon cost 18 ¢/kWh, leading to an average electricity customer using 935.00 kWh of electricity per month and 11,220 kWh over the course of the year. This data is aggregated over the past six months, and over the next 25 years, residents should expect to pay $67,200 on electric bills in Oregon. To reduce electric bills, residents can use less electricity or install a solar system, which can help offset the cost of electricity.
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=9b44...S1jb3N0LW9mLXV0aWxpdGllcy1pbi1vcmVnb24v&ntb=1
realestates.network
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=9b44...S1jb3N0LW9mLXV0aWxpdGllcy1pbi1vcmVnb24v&ntb=1
So, with hydro at 41%, wind at 15%, that leaves solar at 6%. And we have huge areas of high desert where the deer, antelope, and jack rabbits would appreciate some shade from the solar panels. Also two thirds of South Eastern Oregon have high basalt ridges with an almost constant high wind.

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It's true, cheap, reliable hydropower can provide backup for
expensive, unreliable wind and solar.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Oh my, another dumb ****. LOL

Present​

The United States has seen a significant increase in renewable energy production, with solar and wind power reaching record levels in 2024. Solar power accounted for 53% of new generating capacity in 2023, marking the first time in 80 years that a renewable energy resource was a majority of capacity additions. The U.S. electric grid added 54 gigawatts of new renewable power-generating capacity, with almost 40 gigawatts of that coming from new solar installations. Battery storage, which allows solar and wind farms to feed power into the electric grid even when the sun is down or the wind isn’t blowing, also increased significantly. The United States is now the second-largest energy storage market in the world, following China.
World Resources Institute

Increase​

The global renewable energy capacity is experiencing a remarkable increase, with projections indicating that the world will add more than 5,500 gigawatts (GW) of new renewable energy capacity between 2024 and 2030. This growth is driven by supportive policies, favorable economics, and the construction of new large solar power plants, as well as an increase in rooftop solar installations by companies and households.
China is set to account for almost 60% of all renewable capacity installed worldwide between now and 2030, making it home to almost half of the world’s total renewable power capacity by the end of this decade. India is growing at the fastest rate among major economies.
The wind sector is also poised for a recovery, with the rate of expansion doubling between 2024 and 2030, compared with the period between 2017 and 2023. Already, wind and solar PV are the cheapest options to add new electricity generation in almost every country.
Nearly 70 countries that collectively account for 80% of global renewable power capacity are poised to reach or surpass their current renewable ambitions for 2030. However, the growth is not fully in line with the goal set by nearly 200 governments at the COP28 climate change conference in December 2023 to triple the world’s renewable capacity this decade.
IEA – International Energy Agency

When you waste billions in tax dollars, lots of uneconomical stupidity occurs.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Oh my, another dumb ****. LOL

Present​

The United States has seen a significant increase in renewable energy production, with solar and wind power reaching record levels in 2024. Solar power accounted for 53% of new generating capacity in 2023, marking the first time in 80 years that a renewable energy resource was a majority of capacity additions. The U.S. electric grid added 54 gigawatts of new renewable power-generating capacity, with almost 40 gigawatts of that coming from new solar installations. Battery storage, which allows solar and wind farms to feed power into the electric grid even when the sun is down or the wind isn’t blowing, also increased significantly. The United States is now the second-largest energy storage market in the world, following China.
World Resources Institute

Increase​

The global renewable energy capacity is experiencing a remarkable increase, with projections indicating that the world will add more than 5,500 gigawatts (GW) of new renewable energy capacity between 2024 and 2030. This growth is driven by supportive policies, favorable economics, and the construction of new large solar power plants, as well as an increase in rooftop solar installations by companies and households.
China is set to account for almost 60% of all renewable capacity installed worldwide between now and 2030, making it home to almost half of the world’s total renewable power capacity by the end of this decade. India is growing at the fastest rate among major economies.
The wind sector is also poised for a recovery, with the rate of expansion doubling between 2024 and 2030, compared with the period between 2017 and 2023. Already, wind and solar PV are the cheapest options to add new electricity generation in almost every country.
Nearly 70 countries that collectively account for 80% of global renewable power capacity are poised to reach or surpass their current renewable ambitions for 2030. However, the growth is not fully in line with the goal set by nearly 200 governments at the COP28 climate change conference in December 2023 to triple the world’s renewable capacity this decade.
IEA – International Energy Agency

Thanks for making my point.

 

[HikerGuy83]

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Study finds microgrids with wind, solar, and batteries can be built years sooner and at lower cost than SMRs​

Dan Robinson
Fri 26 Sep 2025 // 15:30 UTC

Renewable energy sources could power datacenters at a lower cost than relying on nuclear generation from small modular reactors (SMRs), claims a recently revealed study.

Wind and solar will power datacenters more cheaply than SMRs

: Study finds microgrids with wind, solar, and batteries can be built years sooner and at lower cost than SMRs

www.theregister.com

My, my, just repeating the nonsense the fossil fuel assholes dole out, aren't you.

 

[Anathema]

And those upgrades will have to be done, no matter what the source of power is. So the fault lies not with the renewables, but with the planning and priorities of the local governments and utilities. One good reason for one to develop their own source of power.

No. You have to remember that most utility companies re PRIVATE entities, not Government shills. They may be regulated by the states and the ISOs and NERC/FERC but they still answer to their investors first.

Therefore they are going to do the necessary work to maintain the current system before doing system improvements. They wait for the load to appear because then they can shift part of the system improvement cost onto that customer. Especially large customers like Amazon or Distributed Grnerstion sites.

They’re far more interested in keeping today’s customers energized than worrying about tomorrow’s customers.

 

[Old Rocks]

And you would have replaced them twice --- as the CA array can attest after 11 yrs.

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/solar-plant-on-i-15-near-its-end-shutting-off-in-2026-officials-say/

Stupid ass, that is not a photovoltaic plant.

 

[Old Rocks]

No. You have to remember that most utility companies re PRIVATE entities, not Government shills. They may be regulated by the states and the ISOs and NERC/FERC but they still answer to their investors first.

Therefore they are going to do the necessary work to maintain the current system before doing system improvements. They wait for the load to appear because then they can shift part of the system improvement cost onto that customer. Especially large customers like Amazon or Distributed Grnerstion sites.

They’re far more interested in keeping today’s customers energized than worrying about tomorrow’s customers.

So business will go to an area that has more forward looking utilities where they can get the power.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So business will go to an area that has more forward looking utilities where they can get the power.

Like Three Mile Island.

 

[Hafar1014]

In spite of the efforts of the kakistocracy in power at present, renewables continue to increase the amount of power to the grid, and new installations. Simple economics, the least costly and quickest to build. Even with energy storage, still least costly.

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As renewables increase so does cost and the tax funds need to support them while at the same time they fall short of demand leading us to an energy shortage catastrophe. The need to power AI and server banks is greater then any renewable energy can supply.
Thats why America has stopped the subsidies, canceled wind turbines, NY tore 7 down, and we are going to build more nuclear power LNG and fossil fuels.

Wind and solar are not cheaper when you factor in back up power, buying surplus form other states when it cant meet demand, and tax subsidies.