Oh do explain. Before you get all into how it was the Capitol and there were VIPs in the building... I don't care.
I don't agree. It's not that there were "VIPs" in the Capitol, it's what it and they represent imo. If you think it's ok for a mob to break in to it and attempt to force lawmakers, by violence, to overturn an election - that's just way wrong imo. It's not the individuals, it's what they represent and imo, something historically American - the peaceful transfer of power.
It was anything but peaceful there's a violent insurrection going on for well over a year where burning, looting, and murdering, was a daily occurance.
I don't agree. There was no violent insurrection and, in fact, in the hundreds of protests that occurred (most of which were actually peaceful) there were only two murders I'm aware of: a policeman murdered by a burgler attempting to rob a shop during a protest, and a counter protestor, minding his own business, shot and killed by a protestor. Those were both murders. What others occurred during the Floyd protests and riots?
I also don't agree they were an insurrection - they were protesting, at least initially police violence against black people - whether you agree or not, that was what it was. I think as it went on, it became clashes between rightwing extremist groups and leftwing extremist groups. Not all violence is an insurrection which is a violent uprising against a government.
She was unarmed. Where was the police pepper spray or taser? No? Use of lethal force is authorized because of who and where?
IF she was alone, you would have a point and I would agree. You and her supporters keep giving the impression that she was alone. There was a mob with her that had just finished bashing open the glass leading into a chamber where there were still lawmakers. The police were HUGELY outnumbered and knew it.
I don't care.
You might not, but those there would certainly have been afraid for their lives at the hands of a mob.
She was "unarmed"...yet, she had a backpack...what was in it?
What did the police know in that split second where they had to make a life and death decision?
This was not a situation where there was the luxury of time to consider all options. Why didn't he use pepper spray? I don't know the answer but at a guess, using it in an inside confined space might be a bad idea. Why not a taser? I do not know. If I were to guess - it too might have limitations in regards to accuracy and use in a confined space, I don't know. Neither of us were there.
Yet the left want to crucify just about any police officer who shoots a black person so... I don't care.
Ya, just lump all the left into one label.
That's like saying the right supports the police shooting of any black person. Is that true?
Each situation is unique - some police killngs I don't agree with at all (Chauvin for example), others are the result of a the downside of our gun culture, where the police can never be sure who is armed or not armed and it's a lose/lose situation. Others are due to inadequate training in things like descalation or alternatives to lethal force (shootings involving drugs or mental illness). Or a situation where another person's life is in danger (like the teen shot when she was attempting to knife another teen). A no win situation, tragic all around, but like with Babbit - a split second to make a decision.
The mistaken idea that she was "a petite helpless female" (you guys keep implying that) is a bit disengenius. She was armed with a mob. She was a combat veteran. She was former military and that means she would have been fully trained in unarmed combat (not that the police would know that, just as they have no way of knowing what she had in her backpack or if she was armed).
Again... I don't care.
That's your choice.
How would YOU handle it? For example - you are in your house, with your family. You are surrounded by a mob, they have broken in the front and the back and are gong through your house. You barricade your family into one room, and you are facing the door, armed. the first person breaks the door down. What do you do?
If you say "I don't care" that's a cop out (no pun intended).
For those that think unarmed mobs of people somehow can't be lethal, consider these which intentionally and unintentionally led to the loss of life:
Medical teams worked on Friday to identify 45 people crushed to death in a stampede at a religious festival on the slopes of Israel's Mount Meron, with children among the dead.
www.reuters.com
Brazilian police have made an arrest in a grisly incident during a soccer match, in which a referee's leveling of a red card penalty set off a clash with a player that resulted in the player's death and ended with the official being brutally killed.
www.npr.org
Indonesia's top league has been suspended indefinitely after a Persija Jakarta fan was killed by a mob of rival supporters.
www.espn.com
Babbit had the misfortune of being the FIRST one of a MOB to go through that broken door.
The cities have been burnt, looted, and murdered, for well over a year by insurrectionists.
So if it happened at the Capitol... I don't care.
My home and business is my castle and if the people in DC don't understand that and want to condone the burning, looting, and murdering, that has been going on for well over a year now then they don't deserve to be there.
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Specifically, who is condoning burning, looting, and murdering?
That's not a DC thing, that is primarily up to the states. Why conflate the two? Hundreds of people were arrested, hundreds more were injured police and protestors. Oh, and the protesters were mostly unarmed too. Hundreds of businesses burned. Police were not outnumbered, it was outside, they had a full range of riot control equipment and training.
If you are upset at the riots...perhaps you should be asking WHY local leaders allowed curfews to be violated? Just for a start. And vote them out of office.
The Capital Insurrection had nothing to do with the Floyd riots and the Floyd riots had nothing to do with the election. Two different events.
I'm not going to separate the riots at a local level because the talking points for their justification were the same across the nation. Additionally their were congressional leaders egging them on so it's one in the same and... I don't care.
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If you keep saying "I don't care" then, what you really seem not to care about is trying to figure out the truth in a complex situation where there might be many truths.
And because I always love your music...I'll add this...
And the pattern still remains
On the wall where darkness fell,
And it's fitting that it should,
For in darkness I must dwell.
Like the color of my skin,
Or the day that I grow old,
My life is made of patterns
That can scarcely be controlled.
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