Like I said, you have selective hearing. We wouldn't be talking about Ukraine if Trump was president.
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Remember when Trump was attacking NATO? Thank your lucky stars he was fired.
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HappyJoy
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Obama and Trump both pushed for spending increases by NATO allies. In the end it was the Crimea invasion that had the most influence.Your partisanship is boring and stupid since Trump attacked nations of NATO for not contributing their required minimum amount into it he never tried to shut it down you LIAR!
Back in 2017 from TIME magazine
President Trump Pushes NATO Members to Pay 'Their Fair Share'
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Can’t make it upWhat a clusterfuck our response to this invasion would be if Putin's BFF was still in Washington. The world breathes a sigh of relief, along with educated and sensible Americans.
BRUSSELS — The Dutch are sending rocket launchers for air defense. The Estonians are sending Javelin antitank missiles. The Poles and the Latvians are sending Stinger surface-to-air missiles. The Czechs are sending machine guns, sniper rifles, pistols and ammunition.
Even formerly neutral countries like Sweden and Finland are sending weapons. And Germany, long allergic to sending weapons into conflict zones, is sending Stingers as well as other shoulder-launched rockets.
In all, about 20 countries — most members of NATO and the European Union, but not all — are funneling arms into Ukraine to fight off Russian invaders and arm an insurgency, if the war comes to that.
At the same time, NATO is moving military equipment and as many as 22,000 more troops into member states bordering Russia and Belarus, to reassure them and enhance deterrence.
The Russian invasion of Ukraine has brought European countries together as never before, minds concentrated by the larger threat to European security presented by the Russia of President Vladimir V. Putin.
“European security and defense has evolved more in the last six days than in the last two decades,” Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Union’s executive arm, asserted in a speech to the European Parliament on Tuesday. Brussels has moved to “Europeanize” the efforts of member states to aid Ukraine with weapons and money and put down a marker for the bloc as a significant military actor.
But whether European weaponry will continue to reach the Ukrainian battlefield in time to make a difference is far from certain. However proud Brussels is of its effort, it is a strategy that risks encouraging a wider war and possible retaliation from Mr. Putin. The rush of lethal military aid into Ukraine from Poland, a member of NATO, aims, after all, to kill Russian soldiers.
Mr. Putin already sees NATO as committed to threaten or even destroy Russia through its support for Ukraine, as he has repeated in his recent speeches, even as he has raised the nuclear alert of his own forces to warn Europe and the United States of the risks of interference.
NATO Countries Pour Weapons Into Ukraine, Risking Conflict With Russia (Published 2022)
Brussels is proud to be providing military aid, but Moscow may see it as a dangerous intervention.www.nytimes.com
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What? No way are the GOP going to believe that bit of History. Nor will they believe he wanted all troop to withdraw from Germany.
John McEntee, one of Donald Trump's most-favored aides, handed retired Army Col. Douglas Macgregor a piece of paper with a few notes scribbled on it. He explained: "This is what the president wants you to do."
1. Get us out of Afghanistan.
2. Get us out of Iraq and Syria.
3. Complete the withdrawal from Germany.
4. Get us out of Africa.
It was Nov. 9, 2020 — days after Trump lost his re-election bid, 10 weeks before the end of his presidency and just moments after Macgregor was offered a post as senior adviser to acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller.
As head of the powerful Presidential Personnel Office, McEntee had Trump's ear. Even so, Macgregor was astonished. He told McEntee he doubted they could do all of these things before Jan. 20.
"Then do as much as you can," McEntee replied.
In Macgregor's opinion, Miller probably couldn't act on his own authority to execute a total withdrawal of U.S. military forces from Afghanistan because he was serving in an acting capacity. If this was for real, Macgregor told McEntee, then it was going to need an order from the president.
The one-page memo was delivered by courier to Christopher Miller's office two days later, on the afternoon of Nov. 11.
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John McEntee, one of Donald Trump's most-favored aides, handed retired Army Col. Douglas Macgregor a piece of paper with a few notes scribbled on it. He explained: "This is what the president wants you to do."
1. Get us out of Afghanistan.
2. Get us out of Iraq and Syria.
3. Complete the withdrawal from Germany.
4. Get us out of Africa.
It was Nov. 9, 2020 — days after Trump lost his re-election bid, 10 weeks before the end of his presidency and just moments after Macgregor was offered a post as senior adviser to acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller.
As head of the powerful Presidential Personnel Office, McEntee had Trump's ear. Even so, Macgregor was astonished. He told McEntee he doubted they could do all of these things before Jan. 20.
"Then do as much as you can," McEntee replied.
In Macgregor's opinion, Miller probably couldn't act on his own authority to execute a total withdrawal of U.S. military forces from Afghanistan because he was serving in an acting capacity. If this was for real, Macgregor told McEntee, then it was going to need an order from the president.
The one-page memo was delivered by courier to Christopher Miller's office two days later, on the afternoon of Nov. 11.
Off the Rails: Trump’s failed 11th-hour military withdrawal campaign
A behind-the-scenes look at former President Trump’s unprecedented clash with the Pentagon.
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wamose
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What has NATO done? Some NATO members have contributed to Ukraine but it has mostly been on an individual basis. This could be just what NATO needed to establish some credibility but so far, they haven't done much as an organization.None of your fantasies have anything to do with this thread. NATO stands strong, unlike when Trump was attacking it and praising Putin.
Oh wait, he is still praising Putin...
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Sorry but they are doing absolutely nothing...where are the free nations of Europe?....slow to the dance as people die...I remember a time when libs cared about things such as this....They're not just sitting there. Realistically what more would you have them do now?
I would have them enforce a no-fly zone...what's Putin going to do?...go to war with the entire European continent....do it on a humanitarian bases...if Putin fights it he will become a bigger monster than he already is and his own countrymen will take him out....
HappyJoy
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Sorry but they are doing absolutely nothing...where are the free nations of Europe?....slow to the dance as people die...I remember a time when libs cared about things such as this....
I would have them enforce a no-fly zone...what's Putin going to do?...go to war with the entire European continent....do it on a humanitarian bases...if Putin fights it he will become a bigger monster than he already is and his own countrymen will take him out....
Yes. Putin may end up going to war with the entirety of Europe (and us) when a NATO country shoots down one of their planes.
What is NATO doing? Not being attacked.....because they are a NATO country. Most of the resources and economic punishment is coming from NATO countries.
BluesLegend
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Trump in charge, no war. Biden and Dems take charge, war breaks out. 
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I disagree...by saying that it props Putin up...Trump told Putin he would bomb Moscow if he invaded the Ukraine and Putin believed him and waited until Joe took over....free nations should never back down to a thug like this...nukes or no nukes...if jets from 6 nations came down on Russian air born assets in the Ukraine Putin would back down....but you have to have a leader with guts and we don't....Yes. Putin may end up going to war with the entirety of Europe (and us) when a NATO country shoots down one of their planes.
What is NATO doing? Not being attacked.....because they are a NATO country. Most of the resources and economic punishment is coming from NATO countries.
BluesLegend
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Come on man, Biden talked tough NATO last night so mission accomplished. Biden also promised Putin the USA will not commit troops to the fight. So tough talk, that was NATO's contribution.Why...what is NATO doing?...they are sitting and watching innocent people be bombed to hell and back....fuck NATO....
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I disagree...by saying that it props Putin up...Trump told Putin he would bomb Moscow if he invaded the Ukraine
Nobody believes this. What an awful idea. Just imagine right now we'd be in a nuclear fucking war. You would be dead at this very moment.
and Putin believed him
No he didn't.
and waited until Joe took over....free nations should never back down to a thug like this...nukes or no nukes...if jets from 6 nations came down on Russian air born assets in the Ukraine Putin would back down....but you have to have a leader with guts and we don't....
It made a lot more sense for Putin to wait because at that time Trump was currently blowing up NATO and questioning it's purpose. Why would Putin go and do something then that might create a new sense of purpose for our allies to regroup?
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"Nobody".... is a big group... you are speculating again....Nobody believes this. What an awful idea. Just imagine right now we'd be in a nuclear fucking war. You would be dead at this very moment.
No he didn't.
It made a lot more sense for Putin to wait because at that time Trump was currently blowing up NATO and questioning it's purpose. Why would Putin go and do something then that might create a new sense of purpose for our allies to regroup?
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How is it you know?They're not just sitting there. Realistically what more would you have them do now?
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Already speculated you mean....Already answered.
Remember when Trump was attacking NATO?
No. Because it didn't happen.
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