Trump's "final offer" for peace requires Ukraine to accept Russian occupation

[gipper]

And was given to Ukraine by Khruschev and had changed hands plenty of times before that.

By your logic we should give Poland back to Russia as well.

Crimea is populated primarily by Russians and has been for centuries. They voted recently to join Russia. Do not believe in democracy?

So a Soviet dictator gives a piece of land to a Soviet republic and you think that makes it Ukrainian land. Even after the USSR disappeared.

Think!

 

[EvilCat Breath]

And was given to Ukraine by Khruschev and had changed hands plenty of times before that.

By your logic we should give Poland back to Russia as well.

Does Poland want to go? Does Ukraine have enough fighters left to engage in a major war with Crimea?

 

[Correll]

Crimea is populated primarily by Russians and has been for centuries. They voted recently to join Russia. Do not believe in democracy?

So a Soviet dictator gives a piece of land to a Soviet republic and you think that makes it Ukrainian land. Even after the USSR disappeared.

Think!

Wow. I didn't care abotu teh crimea, but if you feel this way about it, now I am reconsidering my position on it.

 

[martybegan]

If Crimea is forced back to Ukraine there will be war to rival the break up of Yugoslavia. The Crimeans hate the Ukrainians so badly, they will go house to house, it will be fury unleashed.

I'm not sure how much of that is reality, and how much is Russian propaganda.

 

[martybegan]

Crimea is populated primarily by Russians and has been for centuries. They voted recently to join Russia. Do not believe in democracy?

So a Soviet dictator gives a piece of land to a Soviet republic and you think that makes it Ukrainian land. Even after the USSR disappeared.

Think!

That vote was done during an occupation.

 

[martybegan]

Does Poland want to go? Does Ukraine have enough fighters left to engage in a major war with Crimea?

Nope.

The fact still is we guaranteed Ukrainian borders in 1994 and ignored it in 2014.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I'm not sure how much of that is reality, and how much is Russian propaganda.

Just talk to some people from Crimea. That should settle it. Since their vote doesn't count.

 

[Correll]

Nope.

The fact still is we guaranteed Ukrainian borders in 1994 and ignored it in 2014.

I knew when they gave up those nukes, that that was a bad idea from them. Giving up powerful weapons in exchange for promises.

 

[martybegan]

Just talk to some people from Crimea. That should settle it. Since their vote doesn't count.

Any vote conducted by an occupying force is suspect.

 

[gipper]

That vote was done during an occupation.

Lol. Yeah sure. Russians occupied by Russians. Lol.

Can’t fix stupid.

 

[gipper]

Wow. I didn't care abotu teh crimea, but if you feel this way about it, now I am reconsidering my position on it.

You need to consider the fact that your brain has short circuited.

 

[Man With A Plan]

‘The U.S. expects Ukraine's response Wednesday to a peace framework that includes U.S. recognition of Crimea as part of Russia and unofficial recognition of Russian control of nearly all areas occupied since the 2022 invasion, sources with direct knowledge of the proposal tell Axios.

What Russia gets under Trump's proposal

"De jure" U.S. recognition of Russian control in Crimea.

"De-facto recognition" of the Russia's occupation of nearly all of Luhansk oblast and the occupied portions of Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.

A promise that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO. The text notes that Ukraine could become part of the European Union.

The lifting of sanctions imposed since 2014.

Enhanced economic cooperation with the U.S., particularly in the energy and industrial’

https://www.axios.com/2025/04/22/trump-russia-ukraine-peace-plan-crimea-donbas

Trump wants to reward his friend and ally Putin for launching an illegal invasion killing thousands, including civilians; that Trump wants to appease a war criminal comes as no surprise, Trump’s a criminal himself – Trump, forever Putin’s useful idiot.

Ah yes..."sources" say! Sources say and liberals like you start salivating like Pavlov's dog! It amazes me how many times one person can fall for the same line of bullshit without realizing that they're being played!

 

[Correll]

You need to consider the fact that your brain has short circuited.

no, every post you make, is hitting my position of neutrality on the issue, like a bullet.

 

[Cellblock2429]

‘The U.S. expects Ukraine's response Wednesday to a peace framework that includes U.S. recognition of Crimea as part of Russia and unofficial recognition of Russian control of nearly all areas occupied since the 2022 invasion, sources with direct knowledge of the proposal tell Axios.

What Russia gets under Trump's proposal

"De jure" U.S. recognition of Russian control in Crimea.

"De-facto recognition" of the Russia's occupation of nearly all of Luhansk oblast and the occupied portions of Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.

A promise that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO. The text notes that Ukraine could become part of the European Union.

The lifting of sanctions imposed since 2014.

Enhanced economic cooperation with the U.S., particularly in the energy and industrial’

https://www.axios.com/2025/04/22/trump-russia-ukraine-peace-plan-crimea-donbas

Trump wants to reward his friend and ally Putin for launching an illegal invasion killing thousands, including civilians; that Trump wants to appease a war criminal comes as no surprise, Trump’s a criminal himself – Trump, forever Putin’s useful idiot.

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[gipper]

no, every post you make, is hitting my position of neutrality on the issue, like a bullet.

I have no idea what you are referring to.

 

[Correll]

I have no idea what you are referring to.

The strong arguments you are making in support of the war. Lots of lefties have tried, you are the first one to be really making me feel the pressure.


I still want peace. But man, you are quite an effective warmonger, I have to admit.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Any vote conducted by an occupying force is suspect.

I hate to see Crimea forced back to Ukraine. I know people from Crimea. If the vote is a failure, they will have no mercy on any Ukrainian.

 

[martybegan]

I hate to see Crimea forced back to Ukraine. I know people from Crimea. If the vote is a failure, they will have no mercy on any Ukrainian.

Noted.

 

[gipper]

The strong arguments you are making in support of the war. Lots of lefties have tried, you are the first one to be really making me feel the pressure.


I still want peace. But man, you are quite an effective warmonger, I have to admit.


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No one on this board is more anti-war than me, and you know it.

Why are you making ridiculous arguments, unless you’re demented like Joe Biden?

 

[kyzr]

No one on this board is more anti-war than me, and you know it.
Why are you making ridiculous arguments, unless you’re demented like Joe Biden?

An interesting lecture how we, Russia, and Ukraine got here. Its a quick hour.