Remember when I said that if Trump didn't build the wall last budget it wouldn't happen?

[WillPower]

As I figured, it won't happen now, as the Democrats won't buckle (and don't want permanent border security) and the GOP won't hold the line for the president to make sure it happens.

Oddly, of all the issues, this is probably the one that worries the global socialists the most. A wall ensures America maintains it's sovereignty, makes it far tougher to control the U.S Republic externally.

We probably won't get an actual "budget." Most likely just a "continuing resolution" to kick the can a little farther down the road. The GOP-led Congress actually passed a real budget in 2015, which was at the time, the first one in 6 years. Of course, the Democrats were against it. They'd rather kick the can down the road a little farther.

President Trump's 2018 budget actually cut a bunch of unnecessary wasteful spending, while it increased spending for the VA, DHS, and the DOD.

He always zigs when they figure he'll zag....that CR ain't signed yet...He's headed to Mara Lago...might not come back until May Day.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Why doesn’t the FACT that the majority of Americans.....especially those in border states....don't support the ******* wall....ever register with you idiots?

How do you intend to prevent further growth of the 20M+ illegal immigrants you have? How about the billions a year spent to give them welfare, educate their kids, give them healthcare?

Maybe America can triple it's debt and welcome another 25M, I doubt it though, unless you don't want a military.

Moron.

We are at a net negative when it comes to immigration through the southern border and undocumented immigrants generate more than enough revenue to cover any social services afforded them.

Start working with facts.

You need LEGAL immigration, where you pick and choose who you want to enter. Not mules, human traffickers, criminals and just people who don't give a damn about America. Are you a FlopHouse?

Please provide your sources to your assertion, here's mine, and there are many that outline the billions a year illegal immigration costs taxpayers.

Border surge highest since 2011, each illegal immigrant costs $70,000, 7x deportation price

Border surge highest since 2011, each illegal immigrant costs $70,000, 7x deportation price

The net costs to taxpayers for every illegal immigrant who sneaks into the United States has reached nearly $70,000, about seven times the cost of deporting them, and about $70 billion, according to a new report.

And, according to federal Census data, the surge of legal and illegal immigrants across the Mexico-U.S. border has reached a new high since 2011 and matched the historic high of 1.75 million set in 1999.

The latest Census data from 2016 shows that immigrants continue to come into the United States, both legally and illegally, and the costs to taxpayers in enforcement and social services continues to rise — even when offset by the taxes they pay.

U.S. Unauthorized Immigration Total Lowest in a Decade

Your source is shit, BTW.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Why doesn’t the FACT that the majority of Americans.....especially those in border states....don't support the ******* wall....ever register with you idiots?

How do you intend to prevent further growth of the 20M+ illegal immigrants you have? How about the billions a year spent to give them welfare, educate their kids, give them healthcare?

Maybe America can triple it's debt and welcome another 25M, I doubt it though, unless you don't want a military.

Moron.

We are at a net negative when it comes to immigration through the southern border and undocumented immigrants generate more than enough revenue to cover any social services afforded them.

Start working with facts.

You need LEGAL immigration, where you pick and choose who you want to enter. Not mules, human traffickers, criminals and just people who don't give a damn about America. Are you a FlopHouse?

Please provide your sources to your assertion, here's mine, and there are many that outline the billions a year illegal immigration costs taxpayers.

Border surge highest since 2011, each illegal immigrant costs $70,000, 7x deportation price

Border surge highest since 2011, each illegal immigrant costs $70,000, 7x deportation price

The net costs to taxpayers for every illegal immigrant who sneaks into the United States has reached nearly $70,000, about seven times the cost of deporting them, and about $70 billion, according to a new report.

And, according to federal Census data, the surge of legal and illegal immigrants across the Mexico-U.S. border has reached a new high since 2011 and matched the historic high of 1.75 million set in 1999.

The latest Census data from 2016 shows that immigrants continue to come into the United States, both legally and illegally, and the costs to taxpayers in enforcement and social services continues to rise — even when offset by the taxes they pay.

U.S. Unauthorized Immigration Total Lowest in a Decade

Your source is shit, BTW.

Wait, you said you are in a "net negative" at the Southern Border, which to mean means, you're losing citizens more than you're gaining.

Second, you stated, they "generate more then enough revenue to cover social services". I need to understand this more. I read recently 63% of illegals are on welfare. Your argument might be they provide cheap labor, but that is basically a massive taxpayer funded transfer to businesses, and, what about those citizens who might not be on assistance and instead would be working?

I respect immigrants, most of us come from immigrants at some point in our family, I believe it has to be legal. In a Welfare State you have to operate with sovereignty, get rid of all social mechanisms and then you can have the Wild West.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Why doesn’t the FACT that the majority of Americans.....especially those in border states....don't support the ******* wall....ever register with you idiots?

How do you intend to prevent further growth of the 20M+ illegal immigrants you have? How about the billions a year spent to give them welfare, educate their kids, give them healthcare?

Maybe America can triple it's debt and welcome another 25M, I doubt it though, unless you don't want a military.

Moron.

We are at a net negative when it comes to immigration through the southern border and undocumented immigrants generate more than enough revenue to cover any social services afforded them.

Start working with facts.

You need LEGAL immigration, where you pick and choose who you want to enter. Not mules, human traffickers, criminals and just people who don't give a damn about America. Are you a FlopHouse?

Please provide your sources to your assertion, here's mine, and there are many that outline the billions a year illegal immigration costs taxpayers.

Border surge highest since 2011, each illegal immigrant costs $70,000, 7x deportation price

Border surge highest since 2011, each illegal immigrant costs $70,000, 7x deportation price

The net costs to taxpayers for every illegal immigrant who sneaks into the United States has reached nearly $70,000, about seven times the cost of deporting them, and about $70 billion, according to a new report.

And, according to federal Census data, the surge of legal and illegal immigrants across the Mexico-U.S. border has reached a new high since 2011 and matched the historic high of 1.75 million set in 1999.

The latest Census data from 2016 shows that immigrants continue to come into the United States, both legally and illegally, and the costs to taxpayers in enforcement and social services continues to rise — even when offset by the taxes they pay.

U.S. Unauthorized Immigration Total Lowest in a Decade

Your source is shit, BTW.

Wait, you said you are in a "net negative" at the Southern Border, which to mean means, you're losing citizens more than you're gaining.

Second, you stated, they "generate more then enough revenue to cover social services". I need to understand this more. I read recently 63% of illegals are on welfare. Your argument might be they provide cheap labor, but that is basically a massive taxpayer funded transfer to businesses, and, what about those citizens who might not be on assistance and instead would be working?

I respect immigrants, most of us come from immigrants at some point in our family, I believe it has to be legal. In a Welfare State you have to operate with sovereignty, get rid of all social mechanisms and then you can have the Wild West.

Yes. We are losing more people than we are gaining from Mexico.

"Ilegals" don't get welfare. You have been duped. They pay into our entitlement programs but don't collect.

The impact on our economy from immigrants ( especially undocumented ) is POSITIVE.

 

[Votto]

As I figured, it won't happen now, as the Democrats won't buckle (and don't want permanent border security) and the GOP won't hold the line for the president to make sure it happens.

Oddly, of all the issues, this is probably the one that worries the global socialists the most. A wall ensures America maintains it's sovereignty, makes it far tougher to control the U.S Republic externally.

Thanks GOP!

You might say this has been a bipartisan effort to maintain no borders.

 

[shockedcanadian]

How do you intend to prevent further growth of the 20M+ illegal immigrants you have? How about the billions a year spent to give them welfare, educate their kids, give them healthcare?

Maybe America can triple it's debt and welcome another 25M, I doubt it though, unless you don't want a military.

Moron.

We are at a net negative when it comes to immigration through the southern border and undocumented immigrants generate more than enough revenue to cover any social services afforded them.

Start working with facts.

You need LEGAL immigration, where you pick and choose who you want to enter. Not mules, human traffickers, criminals and just people who don't give a damn about America. Are you a FlopHouse?

Please provide your sources to your assertion, here's mine, and there are many that outline the billions a year illegal immigration costs taxpayers.

Border surge highest since 2011, each illegal immigrant costs $70,000, 7x deportation price

Border surge highest since 2011, each illegal immigrant costs $70,000, 7x deportation price

The net costs to taxpayers for every illegal immigrant who sneaks into the United States has reached nearly $70,000, about seven times the cost of deporting them, and about $70 billion, according to a new report.

And, according to federal Census data, the surge of legal and illegal immigrants across the Mexico-U.S. border has reached a new high since 2011 and matched the historic high of 1.75 million set in 1999.

The latest Census data from 2016 shows that immigrants continue to come into the United States, both legally and illegally, and the costs to taxpayers in enforcement and social services continues to rise — even when offset by the taxes they pay.

U.S. Unauthorized Immigration Total Lowest in a Decade

Your source is shit, BTW.

Wait, you said you are in a "net negative" at the Southern Border, which to mean means, you're losing citizens more than you're gaining.

Second, you stated, they "generate more then enough revenue to cover social services". I need to understand this more. I read recently 63% of illegals are on welfare. Your argument might be they provide cheap labor, but that is basically a massive taxpayer funded transfer to businesses, and, what about those citizens who might not be on assistance and instead would be working?

I respect immigrants, most of us come from immigrants at some point in our family, I believe it has to be legal. In a Welfare State you have to operate with sovereignty, get rid of all social mechanisms and then you can have the Wild West.

Yes. We are losing more people than we are gaining from Mexico.

"Ilegals" don't get welfare. You have been duped. They pay into our entitlement programs but don't collect.

The impact on our economy from immigrants ( especially undocumented ) is POSITIVE.

Well here was the actual article, I guess I read it wrong, it's all non-citizens. Which must include legal immigrants as well.

63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Programs
Compared to 35% of native households


63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Programs

Among the findings:

• In 2014, 63 percent of households headed by a non-citizen reported that they used at least one welfare program, compared to 35 percent of native-headed households.
• Welfare use drops to 58 percent for non-citizen households and 30 percent for native households if cash payments from the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) are not counted as welfare. EITC recipients pay no federal income tax. Like other welfare, the EITC is a means-tested, anti-poverty program, but unlike other programs one has to work to receive it.
• Compared to native households, non-citizen households have much higher use of food programs (45 percent vs. 21 percent for natives) and Medicaid (50 percent vs. 23 percent for natives).
• Including the EITC, 31 percent of non-citizen-headed households receive cash welfare, compared to 19 percent of native households. If the EITC is not included, then cash receipt by non-citizen households is slightly lower than natives (6 percent vs. 8 percent).
• While most new legal immigrants (green card holders) are barred from most welfare programs, as are illegal immigrants and temporary visitors, these provisions have only a modest impact on non-citizen household use rates because: 1) most legal immigrants have been in the country long enough to qualify; 2) the bar does not apply to all programs, nor does it always apply to non-citizen children; 3) some states provide welfare to new immigrants on their own; and, most importantly, 4) non-citizens (including illegal immigrants) can receive benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children who are awarded U.S. citizenship and full welfare eligibility at birth.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Moron.

We are at a net negative when it comes to immigration through the southern border and undocumented immigrants generate more than enough revenue to cover any social services afforded them.

Start working with facts.

You need LEGAL immigration, where you pick and choose who you want to enter. Not mules, human traffickers, criminals and just people who don't give a damn about America. Are you a FlopHouse?

Please provide your sources to your assertion, here's mine, and there are many that outline the billions a year illegal immigration costs taxpayers.

Border surge highest since 2011, each illegal immigrant costs $70,000, 7x deportation price

Border surge highest since 2011, each illegal immigrant costs $70,000, 7x deportation price

The net costs to taxpayers for every illegal immigrant who sneaks into the United States has reached nearly $70,000, about seven times the cost of deporting them, and about $70 billion, according to a new report.

And, according to federal Census data, the surge of legal and illegal immigrants across the Mexico-U.S. border has reached a new high since 2011 and matched the historic high of 1.75 million set in 1999.

The latest Census data from 2016 shows that immigrants continue to come into the United States, both legally and illegally, and the costs to taxpayers in enforcement and social services continues to rise — even when offset by the taxes they pay.

U.S. Unauthorized Immigration Total Lowest in a Decade

Your source is shit, BTW.

Wait, you said you are in a "net negative" at the Southern Border, which to mean means, you're losing citizens more than you're gaining.

Second, you stated, they "generate more then enough revenue to cover social services". I need to understand this more. I read recently 63% of illegals are on welfare. Your argument might be they provide cheap labor, but that is basically a massive taxpayer funded transfer to businesses, and, what about those citizens who might not be on assistance and instead would be working?

I respect immigrants, most of us come from immigrants at some point in our family, I believe it has to be legal. In a Welfare State you have to operate with sovereignty, get rid of all social mechanisms and then you can have the Wild West.

Yes. We are losing more people than we are gaining from Mexico.

"Ilegals" don't get welfare. You have been duped. They pay into our entitlement programs but don't collect.

The impact on our economy from immigrants ( especially undocumented ) is POSITIVE.

Well here was the actual article, I guess I read it wrong, it's all non-citizens. Which must include legal immigrants as well.

63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Programs
Compared to 35% of native households


63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Programs

Among the findings:

• In 2014, 63 percent of households headed by a non-citizen reported that they used at least one welfare program, compared to 35 percent of native-headed households.
• Welfare use drops to 58 percent for non-citizen households and 30 percent for native households if cash payments from the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) are not counted as welfare. EITC recipients pay no federal income tax. Like other welfare, the EITC is a means-tested, anti-poverty program, but unlike other programs one has to work to receive it.
• Compared to native households, non-citizen households have much higher use of food programs (45 percent vs. 21 percent for natives) and Medicaid (50 percent vs. 23 percent for natives).
• Including the EITC, 31 percent of non-citizen-headed households receive cash welfare, compared to 19 percent of native households. If the EITC is not included, then cash receipt by non-citizen households is slightly lower than natives (6 percent vs. 8 percent).
• While most new legal immigrants (green card holders) are barred from most welfare programs, as are illegal immigrants and temporary visitors, these provisions have only a modest impact on non-citizen household use rates because: 1) most legal immigrants have been in the country long enough to qualify; 2) the bar does not apply to all programs, nor does it always apply to non-citizen children; 3) some states provide welfare to new immigrants on their own; and, most importantly, 4) non-citizens (including illegal immigrants) can receive benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children who are awarded U.S. citizenship and full welfare eligibility at birth.

Your source is well known as an anti-immigrant "think tank". They "find" bullshit.

For real. Do some research.

 

[Faun]

As I figured, it won't happen now, as the Democrats won't buckle (and don't want permanent border security) and the GOP won't hold the line for the president to make sure it happens.

Oddly, of all the issues, this is probably the one that worries the global socialists the most. A wall ensures America maintains it's sovereignty, makes it far tougher to control the U.S Republic externally.

Umm, we already have sovereignty.

 

[Claudette]

As I figured, it won't happen now, as the Democrats won't buckle (and don't want permanent border security) and the GOP won't hold the line for the president to make sure it happens.

Oddly, of all the issues, this is probably the one that worries the global socialists the most. A wall ensures America maintains it's sovereignty, makes it far tougher to control the U.S Republic externally.

Time will tell on that subject, so I can wait and see what he does next to get it built.

He mentioned using money from the Defense/Military Budget.... Which would make more sense, since he has always claimed it is a part of our National security// our Defense.... And since Mexico isn't paying for it... then take the money out of the defense budget, which is humongous.... I suppose?

I agree.

The defense budget has more than enough to build the wall.

We will save billions without illegals in the country and that money can be put back into the defense budget.

 

[LoneLaugher]

As I figured, it won't happen now, as the Democrats won't buckle (and don't want permanent border security) and the GOP won't hold the line for the president to make sure it happens.

Oddly, of all the issues, this is probably the one that worries the global socialists the most. A wall ensures America maintains it's sovereignty, makes it far tougher to control the U.S Republic externally.

Time will tell on that subject, so I can wait and see what he does next to get it built.

He mentioned using money from the Defense/Military Budget.... Which would make more sense, since he has always claimed it is a part of our National security// our Defense.... And since Mexico isn't paying for it... then take the money out of the defense budget, which is humongous.... I suppose?

I agree.

The defense budget has more than enough to build the wall.

We will save billions without illegals in the country and that money can be put back into the defense budget.

Yeah. Except our economy would lose if undocumented immigrants we're to suddenly disappear.

You nutbags never learn from your mistakes. That's why you keep pushing "trickle down" and keep trying to kill the economy with your dopey bigotry.

Alabama and Arizona tried to boot undocumented immigrants. And it cost them.


Why Undocumented Workers Are Good for the Economy | TIME.com

 

[Claudette]

As I figured, it won't happen now, as the Democrats won't buckle (and don't want permanent border security) and the GOP won't hold the line for the president to make sure it happens.

Oddly, of all the issues, this is probably the one that worries the global socialists the most. A wall ensures America maintains it's sovereignty, makes it far tougher to control the U.S Republic externally.

Time will tell on that subject, so I can wait and see what he does next to get it built.

He mentioned using money from the Defense/Military Budget.... Which would make more sense, since he has always claimed it is a part of our National security// our Defense.... And since Mexico isn't paying for it... then take the money out of the defense budget, which is humongous.... I suppose?

I agree.

The defense budget has more than enough to build the wall.

We will save billions without illegals in the country and that money can be put back into the defense budget.

Yeah. Except our economy would lose if undocumented immigrants we're to suddenly disappear.

You nutbags never learn from your mistakes. That's why you keep pushing "trickle down" and keep trying to kill the economy with your dopey bigotry.

Alabama and Arizona tried to boot undocumented immigrants. And it cost them.


Why Undocumented Workers Are Good for the Economy | TIME.com

LMAO Our tax payers would save the billions those illegals cost us every year. Those billions would be funneled into the economy.

I'm sure the economy would survive quite well with all illegals gone.

 

[LoneLaugher]

As I figured, it won't happen now, as the Democrats won't buckle (and don't want permanent border security) and the GOP won't hold the line for the president to make sure it happens.

Oddly, of all the issues, this is probably the one that worries the global socialists the most. A wall ensures America maintains it's sovereignty, makes it far tougher to control the U.S Republic externally.

Time will tell on that subject, so I can wait and see what he does next to get it built.

He mentioned using money from the Defense/Military Budget.... Which would make more sense, since he has always claimed it is a part of our National security// our Defense.... And since Mexico isn't paying for it... then take the money out of the defense budget, which is humongous.... I suppose?

I agree.

The defense budget has more than enough to build the wall.

We will save billions without illegals in the country and that money can be put back into the defense budget.

Yeah. Except our economy would lose if undocumented immigrants we're to suddenly disappear.

You nutbags never learn from your mistakes. That's why you keep pushing "trickle down" and keep trying to kill the economy with your dopey bigotry.

Alabama and Arizona tried to boot undocumented immigrants. And it cost them.


Why Undocumented Workers Are Good for the Economy | TIME.com

LMAO Our tax payers would save the billions those illegals cost us every year. Those billions would be funneled into the economy.

I'm sure the economy would survive quite well with all illegals gone.

You just know it. Because you BELIEEEEEEEEVE.

The facts state otherwise. Undocumented immigrants do not cost us billions. That's a myth that you BELIEVE because it suits your agenda.

That's you passing on fake news, comrade.

 

[Care4all]

As I figured, it won't happen now, as the Democrats won't buckle (and don't want permanent border security) and the GOP won't hold the line for the president to make sure it happens.

Oddly, of all the issues, this is probably the one that worries the global socialists the most. A wall ensures America maintains it's sovereignty, makes it far tougher to control the U.S Republic externally.

Time will tell on that subject, so I can wait and see what he does next to get it built.

He mentioned using money from the Defense/Military Budget.... Which would make more sense, since he has always claimed it is a part of our National security// our Defense.... And since Mexico isn't paying for it... then take the money out of the defense budget, which is humongous.... I suppose?

Trying to shift funds around without Congress would guarantee a legal battle................one that would drag out and he'd probably lose..................

He can shut down the border time and again..............and crush Mexico to help deal with it............and start dropping the hammer on businesses hiring illegals.......start massive raids there and the Butt Hurt would be off the charts.

sounds like a bunch of vindictive vengeful actions that are a waste of time and below us, as human beings...

outside of the part where businesses that hire illegals being caught and penalized, under the law.. that should have happened since Reagan's amnesty.

 

[Care4all]

As I figured, it won't happen now, as the Democrats won't buckle (and don't want permanent border security) and the GOP won't hold the line for the president to make sure it happens.

Oddly, of all the issues, this is probably the one that worries the global socialists the most. A wall ensures America maintains it's sovereignty, makes it far tougher to control the U.S Republic externally.

Time will tell on that subject, so I can wait and see what he does next to get it built.

He mentioned using money from the Defense/Military Budget.... Which would make more sense, since he has always claimed it is a part of our National security// our Defense.... And since Mexico isn't paying for it... then take the money out of the defense budget, which is humongous.... I suppose?

I agree.

The defense budget has more than enough to build the wall.

We will save billions without illegals in the country and that money can be put back into the defense budget.

Yeah. Except our economy would lose if undocumented immigrants we're to suddenly disappear.

You nutbags never learn from your mistakes. That's why you keep pushing "trickle down" and keep trying to kill the economy with your dopey bigotry.

Alabama and Arizona tried to boot undocumented immigrants. And it cost them.


Why Undocumented Workers Are Good for the Economy | TIME.com

LMAO Our tax payers would save the billions those illegals cost us every year. Those billions would be funneled into the economy.

I'm sure the economy would survive quite well with all illegals gone.

I think the economy would probably take a hard hit if 11 million people, who are both laborers(producers) and spenders, were to disappear all at once... especially in the States that have most of them...

the economy does't know their skin color, or what language they speak, legal or illegal... it runs without any consideration to those type things...

 

[WillPower]

Yes. We are losing more people than we are gaining from Mexico.

"Ilegals" don't get welfare. You have been duped. They pay into our entitlement programs but don't collect.

The impact on our economy from immigrants ( especially undocumented ) is POSITIVE.

70% are on welfare you doorknob....that's why they keep coming.

 

[WillPower]

I think the economy would probably take a hard hit if 11 million people, who are both laborers(producers) and spenders, were to disappear all at once... especially in the States that have most of them...

the economy does't know their skin color, or what language they speak, legal or illegal... it runs without any consideration to those type things...

There are 22 million here now....when is enough enough?

FAIR’s report said illegal immigration costs about $135 billion a year, and that immigrants who are here illegally contribute about $19 billion in taxes annually. That puts net costs at about $116 billion a year.

Illegal immigration costs $130 billion a year?

 

[rightwinger]

Nobody in either party really cares about Trumps wall

They have better things to waste money on

 

[JimBowie1958]

He mentioned using money from the Defense/Military Budget.... Which would make more sense, since he has always claimed it is a part of our National security// our Defense.... And since Mexico isn't paying for it... then take the money out of the defense budget, which is humongous.... I suppose?

Yes, there are many past laws that give authority to the President to fund repairing/maintaining current sections of 'fence' and make it a wall, and also to protect the USA from the incursions of Drug cartels.

 

[Marion Morrison]

As I figured, it won't happen now, as the Democrats won't buckle (and don't want permanent border security) and the GOP won't hold the line for the president to make sure it happens.

Oddly, of all the issues, this is probably the one that worries the global socialists the most. A wall ensures America maintains it's sovereignty, makes it far tougher to control the U.S Republic externally.

You forgot the private option. It's happening, with or without Congress. If it does happen like that, Congress better prepare for some serious salary cuts, because their ineptness will be at the forefront of people's minds. What exactly are they doing that's good for the people up in there, hmm?

 

[WillPower]

Yes, there are many past laws that give authority to the President to fund repairing/maintaining current sections of 'fence' and make it a wall, and also to protect the USA from the incursions of Drug cartels.

Mattis needs an ultimatum....build the Wall or look for a new job. Be a hoot to see Pelousy or Cryin Chuck try to stop the Army Corps of Engineers slinging cement.