Remember folks when you read this ...THERE WERE NEVER NEVER any WMDs!!!

[NYcarbineer]

Mustard gas doesnt produce mushroom clouds

What's the difference between burns from mustard gas and a nuke blast? Mustard gas can cause burns for decades.

You mean the Manhattan Project was a waste of time? We could have wiped out Hiroshima with mustard gas?

lolol you guys have to be doing self-parody.

 

[Lakhota]

The United States had gone to war declaring it must destroy an active weapons of mass destruction program. Instead, American troops gradually found and ultimately suffered from the remnants of long-abandoned programs, built in close collaboration with the West.

From the OP link. This is not the "smoking gun" that exonerates Bush.

That's one way of putting it.

Of course you numb-nuts slipped up and said that everything had been destroyed.

Well, sparky, Bush was in charge of destroying Saddam's old, abandoned chemical weapons. Why didn't he do it?

 

[mudwhistle]

If memory serves correctly, I don't think anyone disputed the idea that Saddam's Iraq possessed chemical weapons.

The dispute was over nuclear weapons and their weaponized precursor components - none of which have been found, unless I've missed something.

No. The dispute was over WMD's which includes chemical weapons. The Liberals crucified Bush over his claim that Saddam had WMD's. Bush was right.

Actually the Bush Administrations claim was that they had re-constituted the chemical, biological and nuclear WMD programs and was actively producing and stockpiling large quantities of WMD, not that he retained remnants of old munitions from the Iran/Iraq war.

We found large stockpiles.

We found evidence that he was trying to reconstitute his chemical and bio weapons programs.

Some of them ended up in Syria, but because the trail from Saddam isn't perfectly clear, or isn't published yet by the NYT it must not exist.

 

[Lakhota]

Bush's own team stated that Iraq had no WMD. So what are you silly asses trying to prove stating otherwise?

True - and Bush himself said that.

 

[Uncensored2008]

That makes two threads on this topic....both misrepresenting the matter. Congrats.

So, you commies lied while people died, then?

 

[Lakhota]

Bush says Iraq had no WMDs.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Next the right wingers are going to try to tell everyone that we invaded because of chemicals like lead paint and expired advil

 

[kiwiman127]

As a reference to my post # 179:
Video Suggests Explosives Disappeared After U.S. Took Control
Oct. 28, 2004
Video Suggests Explosives Disappeared After U.S. Took Control - ABC News

 

[Youch]

Bush's own team stated that Iraq had no WMD. So what are you silly asses trying to prove stating otherwise?

Rightwingers can never admit they were wrong. If they do, they get kicked out of the cult.

Nimrod.,

Please cite examples. Otherwise you are simply full of emotional TV bull stein.

ADVANCE THE DEBATE.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Bush's own team stated that Iraq had no WMD. So what are you silly asses trying to prove stating otherwise?

Rightwingers can never admit they were wrong. If they do, they get kicked out of the cult.

Nimrod.,

Please cite examples. Otherwise you are simply full of emotional TV bull stein.

ADVANCE THE DEBATE.

90% of the rightwingers on this board won't admit that Saddam didn't have any WMD's, even though Bush himself admitted it.

Read the forum.

 

[BlindBoo]

Nolo contendere.

Finding chemical weapons there was no surprise.

Finding nuclear weapons (or precursor components) would have validated the 2003 casus belli for invading Iraq.

Unfortunately, that never happened.

Again,, chemical weapons are certainly WMDs. Also, saddam put out false information (most likely on purpose) that he was in the process of attempting to get nuclear materials. That was probably true. He saw Iran as a true threat and he knew he would be in real danger if Iran became a nuclear power.

Again, his two son in laws revealed what he was wanting to do and the reasons why he kept his infrastructure for WMD production.

This was also clearly revealed by UNSCOM the UN independent council.

You seem to be operating under the impression that I do not include chemical weapons under the WMD banner.

I do, indeed, include chemical weapons under the WMD banner.

I merely hold that the casus belli (the reason for going to war) for the Iraq War was NUCLEAR weapons - and their pursuit by the Iraq regime of those times.

This is not up for debate - this is a documented historical fact.

It is also a documented historical fact that no such weapons - nor their weaponized precursor components - were ever found.

Creating a condition in which the casus belli for the Iraq War proved to be false.

This, too, is not up for debate - this is a documented historical fact.

It was a false alarm - and, quite possibly, an intentionally contrived falsehood.

I don't like that any more than you do, but it is what it is.

I suppose then that Saddam was planning a very big birthday party with all of that yellow-cake.

I think that this revelation is a prime example of the difference between what is documented and what is reality.

The yellowcake removed from Iraq in 2008 was material that had long since been identified, documented, and stored in sealed containers under the supervision of U.N. inspectors. It was not a "secret" cache that was recently "discovered" by the U.S, and the yellowcake had not been purchased by Iraq in the years immediately preceding the 2003 invasion. The uranium was the remnants of decades-old nuclear reactor projects that had put out of commission many years earlier: One reactor at Al Tuwaitha was bombed by Israel in 1981, and another was bombed and disabled during Operation Desert Storm in 1991. Moreover, the fact that the yellowcake had been in Iraq since before the 1991 Gulf War was plainly stated in the Associated Press

snopes.com Yellowcake Uranium Removed from Iraq

Sure, that's why the UN left it there, because Saddam promised to be a good boy and never touch the stuff.

Fact is he never did, did he? He knew all hell would break loose if he did. Pappa Bush was really pissed off because we had no idea Saddam had a Manhattan Project style program for developing a nuclear weapon. Guess where he got the equipment to do that. Ronnie!

 

[mudwhistle]

Mustard gas doesnt produce mushroom clouds

What's the difference between burns from mustard gas and a nuke blast? Mustard gas can cause burns for decades.

You mean the Manhattan Project was a waste of time? We could have wiped out Hiroshima with mustard gas?

lolol you guys have to be doing self-parody.

Mustard gas has been illegal since the Hague Convention of 1899.

 

[g5000]

The Secret Casualties of Iraq’s Abandoned Chemical Weapons

From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein’s rule.

In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.

1. MAY 2004 Two soldiers exposed to sarin from a shell near Baghdad’s Yarmouk neighborhood.
2. SUMMER 2006 Over 2,400 nerve-agent rockets found at this former Republican Guard compound.
3. JULY 2008 Six Marines exposed to mustard agent from an artillery shell at an abandoned bunker.
4. AUGUST 2008 Five American soldiers exposed to mustard agent while destroying a weapons cache.
5. 2010 OR EARLY 2011 Hundreds of mustard rounds discovered in a container at this Iraqi security compound.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html?_r=0

Did you read the whole New York Times article, dude?

The discoveries of these chemical weapons did not support the government’s invasion rationale.

Then, during the long occupation, American troops began encountering old chemical munitions in hidden caches and roadside bombs. Typically 155-millimeter artillery shells or 122-millimeter rockets, they were remnants of an arms program Iraq had rushed into production in the 1980s during the Iran-Iraq war.

These caches which were found were not part of an active, ongoing WMD program. Got that?

All had been manufactured before 1991, participants said. Filthy, rusty or corroded, a large fraction of them could not be readily identified as chemical weapons at all. Some were empty, though many of them still contained potent mustard agent or residual sarin. Most could not have been used as designed, and when they ruptured dispersed the chemical agents over a limited area, according to those who collected the majority of them.

 

[Lakhota]

Which one of Bush's lies are we supposed to believe: 1) Iraq had WMDs? 2) Iraq had WMDs - but Bush failed to destroy them? 3) Iraq had no WMDs?

 

[mudwhistle]

Bush's own team stated that Iraq had no WMD. So what are you silly asses trying to prove stating otherwise?

Rightwingers can never admit they were wrong. If they do, they get kicked out of the cult.

Nimrod.,

Please cite examples. Otherwise you are simply full of emotional TV bull stein.

ADVANCE THE DEBATE.

90% of the rightwingers on this board won't admit that Saddam didn't have any WMD's, even though Bush himself admitted it.

Read the forum.

Well, obviously he did.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Mustard gas doesnt produce mushroom clouds

What's the difference between burns from mustard gas and a nuke blast? Mustard gas can cause burns for decades.

You mean the Manhattan Project was a waste of time? We could have wiped out Hiroshima with mustard gas?

lolol you guys have to be doing self-parody.

Mustard gas has been illegal since the Hague Convention of 1899.

And male seahorses can carry their young...both have nothing to do with mushroom clouds

 

[ClosedCaption]

The Secret Casualties of Iraq’s Abandoned Chemical Weapons

From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein’s rule.

In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.

1. MAY 2004 Two soldiers exposed to sarin from a shell near Baghdad’s Yarmouk neighborhood.
2. SUMMER 2006 Over 2,400 nerve-agent rockets found at this former Republican Guard compound.
3. JULY 2008 Six Marines exposed to mustard agent from an artillery shell at an abandoned bunker.
4. AUGUST 2008 Five American soldiers exposed to mustard agent while destroying a weapons cache.
5. 2010 OR EARLY 2011 Hundreds of mustard rounds discovered in a container at this Iraqi security compound.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html?_r=0

Did you read the whole New York Times article, dude?

The discoveries of these chemical weapons did not support the government’s invasion rationale.

Health just PC'd himself

 

[g5000]

Health just PC'd himself

Hoist by his own petard, as it were!

 

[g5000]

Remember folks when you read this ...READ THE WHOLE THING!!!

 

[mudwhistle]

Again,, chemical weapons are certainly WMDs. Also, saddam put out false information (most likely on purpose) that he was in the process of attempting to get nuclear materials. That was probably true. He saw Iran as a true threat and he knew he would be in real danger if Iran became a nuclear power.

Again, his two son in laws revealed what he was wanting to do and the reasons why he kept his infrastructure for WMD production.

This was also clearly revealed by UNSCOM the UN independent council.

You seem to be operating under the impression that I do not include chemical weapons under the WMD banner.

I do, indeed, include chemical weapons under the WMD banner.

I merely hold that the casus belli (the reason for going to war) for the Iraq War was NUCLEAR weapons - and their pursuit by the Iraq regime of those times.

This is not up for debate - this is a documented historical fact.

It is also a documented historical fact that no such weapons - nor their weaponized precursor components - were ever found.

Creating a condition in which the casus belli for the Iraq War proved to be false.

This, too, is not up for debate - this is a documented historical fact.

It was a false alarm - and, quite possibly, an intentionally contrived falsehood.

I don't like that any more than you do, but it is what it is.

I suppose then that Saddam was planning a very big birthday party with all of that yellow-cake.

I think that this revelation is a prime example of the difference between what is documented and what is reality.

The yellowcake removed from Iraq in 2008 was material that had long since been identified, documented, and stored in sealed containers under the supervision of U.N. inspectors. It was not a "secret" cache that was recently "discovered" by the U.S, and the yellowcake had not been purchased by Iraq in the years immediately preceding the 2003 invasion. The uranium was the remnants of decades-old nuclear reactor projects that had put out of commission many years earlier: One reactor at Al Tuwaitha was bombed by Israel in 1981, and another was bombed and disabled during Operation Desert Storm in 1991. Moreover, the fact that the yellowcake had been in Iraq since before the 1991 Gulf War was plainly stated in the Associated Press

snopes.com Yellowcake Uranium Removed from Iraq

Sure, that's why the UN left it there, because Saddam promised to be a good boy and never touch the stuff.

Fact is he never did, did he? He knew all hell would break loose if he did. Pappa Bush was really pissed off because we had no idea Saddam had a Manhattan Project style program for developing a nuclear weapon. Guess where he got the equipment to do that. Ronnie!

Yeah, Ronnie personally delivered it to him too.

Just like the way everything that happens in America has to be signed off personally by the president. Must be why nothing gets done now.All Obama does is play golf and fundraise. He doesn't have the time to work as hard as Reagan, GHWB, Clinton, or GWB.