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Is there a possibility of moving Religious and Ethics to Zone one?
I'm tired of chasing down trolls that only want to bash religion.
One went through the process of reason and was defined as probable, the other went through the process and flunked the logic test. That's the reality of all religions. Fact, some of the nicest people are atheist and have a higher standard of morality through logic then they can find through religion. Religion has merit churches have almost none.Let's Examine the Claims of Atheists
Chem Engineer
Mar 22, 2021
Let's Examine Claims of Atheists
The Fallacy of Science vs. Religion
The atheists' frequent claim that science and religion are mutually exclusive is demonstrably false. If atheists were as "rational" and "intelligent" as they are always claiming, they would not resort to mendacity. Science pursues truth.
The list of scientists as men and women faith is long and growing.
List of Christians in science and technology - Wikipedia
“Science is not only compatible with spirituality, it is a profound source of spirituality. The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both.”
” - Demon Haunted World, page 29, by Carl Sagan
“I believe in God more because of science than in spite of it.” – William Phillips, Nobel Laureate in Physics
and more in post one
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I am an Atheist, shall I ignore the hard nasty bashing made by a religionist?
Dont see that as Atheist bashing. I see it as a valid discussion topic.. I have no issue with the assertion that science and religion are not mutually exclusive.. And if you take umbrage at that assertion -- clearly, you should debate why those 2 things are mutually exclusive. Faith and Science can coexist.. If fact 80% of theoretical physics or psychology is largely based on faith not really evidence. So there ya go -- discuss it if you can -- if ya cant -- dont wreck it for others.
Now POLITICS and science SHOULD BE mutually exclusive -- but increasingly, we have a "patronage" problem in funding that forces them together...
Ditto! I hit New Posts....and have no clue where I wind up, lol. Which is why I not only have a direct link to USMB front page...I have a second one that goes directly to The Coffee Shop.I could easily click on a thread from some obscure subforum here without even knowing what subforum it is in.
One went through the process of reason and was defined as probable, the other went through the process and flunked the logic test. That's the reality of all religions. Fact, some of the nicest people are atheist and have a higher standard of morality through logic then they can find through religion. Religion has merit churches have almost none.Let's Examine the Claims of Atheists
Chem Engineer
Mar 22, 2021
Let's Examine Claims of Atheists
The Fallacy of Science vs. Religion
The atheists' frequent claim that science and religion are mutually exclusive is demonstrably false. If atheists were as "rational" and "intelligent" as they are always claiming, they would not resort to mendacity. Science pursues truth.
The list of scientists as men and women faith is long and growing.
List of Christians in science and technology - Wikipedia
“Science is not only compatible with spirituality, it is a profound source of spirituality. The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both.”
” - Demon Haunted World, page 29, by Carl Sagan
“I believe in God more because of science than in spite of it.” – William Phillips, Nobel Laureate in Physics
and more in post one
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I am an Atheist, shall I ignore the hard nasty bashing made by a religionist?
Dont see that as Atheist bashing. I see it as a valid discussion topic.. I have no issue with the assertion that science and religion are not mutually exclusive.. And if you take umbrage at that assertion -- clearly, you should debate why those 2 things are mutually exclusive. Faith and Science can coexist.. If fact 80% of theoretical physics or psychology is largely based on faith not really evidence. So there ya go -- discuss it if you can -- if ya cant -- dont wreck it for others.
Now POLITICS and science SHOULD BE mutually exclusive -- but increasingly, we have a "patronage" problem in funding that forces them together...
One went through the process of reason and was defined as probable, the other went through the process and flunked the logic test.
Being a Christian who hates Christianity as this oxymoron you describe yourself as makes you valuable to this great community of trolling, flaming, and debating. Without commie atheists, this place would just be a boring civilized discussion forum. Thanks for being here!I respect the morality of logic over the morality of religion any day. I'm a Christian and the only way I can be one is if I interpret the writings of Christianity myself because 95% of what others define christian beliefs as, is ugly to me. I only believe in what Christ said and did. Example, you can't support the right wing of 2021 and still be considered a christian.
No one is denying that but it just as easily can make it nonsense for people looking at it and people who except their intelligence generally will go with the logic. So again ,One went through the process of reason and was defined as probable, the other went through the process and flunked the logic test.One went through the process of reason and was defined as probable, the other went through the process and flunked the logic test. That's the reality of all religions. Fact, some of the nicest people are atheist and have a higher standard of morality through logic then they can find through religion. Religion has merit churches have almost none.Let's Examine the Claims of Atheists
Chem Engineer
Mar 22, 2021
Let's Examine Claims of Atheists
The Fallacy of Science vs. Religion
The atheists' frequent claim that science and religion are mutually exclusive is demonstrably false. If atheists were as "rational" and "intelligent" as they are always claiming, they would not resort to mendacity. Science pursues truth.
The list of scientists as men and women faith is long and growing.
List of Christians in science and technology - Wikipedia
“Science is not only compatible with spirituality, it is a profound source of spirituality. The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both.”
” - Demon Haunted World, page 29, by Carl Sagan
“I believe in God more because of science than in spite of it.” – William Phillips, Nobel Laureate in Physics
and more in post one
=====
I am an Atheist, shall I ignore the hard nasty bashing made by a religionist?
Dont see that as Atheist bashing. I see it as a valid discussion topic.. I have no issue with the assertion that science and religion are not mutually exclusive.. And if you take umbrage at that assertion -- clearly, you should debate why those 2 things are mutually exclusive. Faith and Science can coexist.. If fact 80% of theoretical physics or psychology is largely based on faith not really evidence. So there ya go -- discuss it if you can -- if ya cant -- dont wreck it for others.
Now POLITICS and science SHOULD BE mutually exclusive -- but increasingly, we have a "patronage" problem in funding that forces them together...
One went through the process of reason and was defined as probable, the other went through the process and flunked the logic test.
Faith is like love.
Logic not required
Nope I don't fit in your package. I love my Christianity but can hate your Christianity. Its the church that I find poison usually. I do appreciate your welcome though.Being a Christian who hates Christianity as this oxymoron you describe yourself as makes you valuable to this great community of trolling, flaming, and debating. Without commie atheists, this place would just be a boring civilized discussion forum. Thanks for being here!I respect the morality of logic over the morality of religion any day. I'm a Christian and the only way I can be one is if I interpret the writings of Christianity myself because 95% of what others define christian beliefs as, is ugly to me. I only believe in what Christ said and did. Example, you can't support the right wing of 2021 and still be considered a christian.
Wrong! Commie atheists who hate Christianity but claim to be Christian really ARE a great asset to this community of trolling, flaming and other political discussion. This place really would be just a boring civilized discussion board if it weren't for commie atheists who hate Christianity but claim to be Christians. You rock, thanks for being here.Nope I don't fit in your package. I love my Christianity but can hate your Christianity. Its the church that I find poison usually. I do appreciate your welcome though.Being a Christian who hates Christianity as this oxymoron you describe yourself as makes you valuable to this great community of trolling, flaming, and debating. Without commie atheists, this place would just be a boring civilized discussion forum. Thanks for being here!I respect the morality of logic over the morality of religion any day. I'm a Christian and the only way I can be one is if I interpret the writings of Christianity myself because 95% of what others define christian beliefs as, is ugly to me. I only believe in what Christ said and did. Example, you can't support the right wing of 2021 and still be considered a christian.
You took one big step outside of reality, a symptom of being a bit unhinged which as you say is entertaining but outside the perimeters of logic that I so dearly love. You may be hard to talk with if you can't make more sense then that. I guess like I said I can just look at what you say as comedy and entertainment.Wrong! Commie atheists who hate Christianity but claim to be Christian really ARE a great asset to this community of trolling, flaming and other political discussion. This place really would be just a boring civilized discussion board if it weren't for commie atheists who hate Christianity but claim to be Christians. You rock, thanks for being here.Nope I don't fit in your package. I love my Christianity but can hate your Christianity. Its the church that I find poison usually. I do appreciate your welcome though.Being a Christian who hates Christianity as this oxymoron you describe yourself as makes you valuable to this great community of trolling, flaming, and debating. Without commie atheists, this place would just be a boring civilized discussion forum. Thanks for being here!I respect the morality of logic over the morality of religion any day. I'm a Christian and the only way I can be one is if I interpret the writings of Christianity myself because 95% of what others define christian beliefs as, is ugly to me. I only believe in what Christ said and did. Example, you can't support the right wing of 2021 and still be considered a christian.
Let me see support Trump and have the moxy to make the ridiculous real, by also saying you are a Christian of any sort. Its a OxyMoxy.This is some great trolling, kinda like a random dart thrown at me out of spite because of my support for Trump and my Christian values. Well placed, it blended in seamlessly with the thread. Almost had as much value as posting something of merit.Well said, Yup There are no Christians that support Trump. The idea is ridiculous , you can't select the devil as your leader and call yourself a christian.
Without knowing what you said in THOSE TWO threads, if I saw those threads I would see them as an INVITATION to debate atheists.Dude..I don't care where you post, when you post, how you post. My point is, IF you do not frequent the religion forum, how the hell do you know if atheists are supposedly being attacked by religious people unless you are lurking in there waiting to pounce.
Again, I ask WHY anyone would enter a thread in a forum they have no interest in except to badger those in there that have a mindset completely different from the opposing non believers who entered to...what? Name call? Defend other non believers?
Your story does not make sense to me. I am not emotional about it either. I am asking WHY. Also, your own emotional little rant in pm to me didn't score you any points either.
Don't do that again. I rarely get pms because I don't want to get involved in backroom bullshit. Thanks in advance for not repeating it.
You are indeed getting emotional and irrational because I just posted the two THREADS I posted in that by TITLE were an attack on Atheism. That is WHY I responded to them, while never even reading the other 99% of the other threads because they don't involved Atheists in the thread titles.
Richard Dawkins and The Ignorance of The New Atheism
and,
Let's Examine the Claims of Atheists
Now you make yourself a poor, pathetic victim.The solution is for religious people to stop starting threads for the purpose of attacking Atheists. Then report trolling, off topic replies from non religious people in Religion only threads
I like to attack commie atheists. I do it anytime I see a chance. Commie atheists is what lefties are, and they are destroying the country that I served and love. Whatever thread I see them on in whatever subforum it is, I'll gladly do whatever harm I can do them if I know they are commie atheists. They can and do treat us this way, and they are a national enemy.Now you make yourself a poor, pathetic victim.The solution is for religious people to stop starting threads for the purpose of attacking Atheists. Then report trolling, off topic replies from non religious people in Religion only threads
Can you link to threads where we "attack" you? How would you know toure being "attacked"?
Does a bat signal go out to inform you?
There are MANY sub forums I NEVER SEE, because I have no interest in them. How are you made aware of these "attacks"???
An atheist forum? That would be one dead side show. Once your there, that's kind of it. Noobs rant and rave about being lied to but then it's over. You don't see too many threads hyper focused on atheism started by atheists. When atheists walk into a room, we know some stuff. For example, we don't need religion to tell us what constitutes right action. We do it because it needs to be done or we don't. That's it. Try to put us all in some type of organized group and we start twitching because we recognize it as a an attempt to use us for a political end.I'm an atheist. I ran into other alleged atheists that wanted desperately to hijack my thread and make it about what they wanted to because they assumed I was Christian. These people are most certainly not comparable to Hitchens or any of the other greats that could even make an argument. Again, I'm saying that as an atheist and there were several things stated that even though I agreed in part it wasn't the topic of the thread. These people were there specifically to disrespect someone else.
Every thread is a shitfest.
I know that chem engineer is full of crap. So...I don't respond. If there is a "why atheists blah dee blah blah blah" in the title then I'm leaving. It's not my job to correct someone's religious views. I also don't want to get locked into a go nowhere argument with an imbecile that won't end.
Should there be an Atheist forum? Because there's no manual or scriptures or tenets of atheism. The "shitfest" is because of the polarization about AFFILIATION AND ASSOCIATION.. Not because atheists dont have moral backbone. They just dont want the DISCIPLINE and HUMILITY that organized religion requires. And that lack of humility is vested in a strong predilection towards "secular humanism" which in itself is quite problematic in maintaining freedom and tolerance when men/women are individually the judges of morals and beliefs,
Not picking another shitfest here.. Want to know what you think we do to separate the irreconcilable differences. MYSELF -- I dont want to be in a society that places ANY man or woman as the ultimate arbiter of right and wrong.. It's that old saying about you overcome being a "non-believer" for certain in prison or a concentration camp...
There are atheists posting there that firmly believe religion is the undoing of the world and their mission is to destroy it and they will try at every opportunity. An atheist only forum is not going to be helpful to their cause.
Some people need that religious structure. That's cool. Nothing wrong with it. These people are not movers and shakers. They can't answer for anyone else in the past or in the present. They are just people.
Religious people need to understand that atheism is not equal to communism. That isn't how it works. God is not going to ask you about me and what I have been up to.
Ginsburg: Sometimes you have to be a little deaf.
Agree with you that an Atheist forum is a bad idea as most Atheist's don't want to waste their time starting threads to attack religion, but they WILL enter religious threads that attack Atheists.
The solution is for religious people to stop starting threads for the purpose of attacking Atheists. Then report trolling, off topic replies from non religious people in Religion only threads.
This Country has a first Amendment and long history for religious freedom to worship, that is why you will not see Atheists crashing Church services, but might crash religion only threads because some Atheists can be jerks just like Religious people can be jerks.
When atheists walk into a room, we know some stuff. For example, we don't need religion to tell us what constitutes right action. We do it because it needs to be done or we don't. That's it. Try to put us all in some type of organized group and we start twitching because we recognize it as a an attempt to use us for a political end.
Some people need that religious structure. That's cool. Nothing wrong with it. These people are not movers and shakers. They can't answer for anyone else in the past or in the present. They are just people.
Religious people need to understand that atheism is not equal to communism. That isn't how it works. God is not going to ask you about me and what I have been up to.
An atheist forum? That would be one dead side show. Once your there, that's kind of it. Noobs rant and rave about being lied to but then it's over. You don't see too many threads hyper focused on atheism started by atheists. When atheists walk into a room, we know some stuff. For example, we don't need religion to tell us what constitutes right action. We do it because it needs to be done or we don't. That's it. Try to put us all in some type of organized group and we start twitching because we recognize it as a an attempt to use us for a political end.I'm an atheist. I ran into other alleged atheists that wanted desperately to hijack my thread and make it about what they wanted to because they assumed I was Christian. These people are most certainly not comparable to Hitchens or any of the other greats that could even make an argument. Again, I'm saying that as an atheist and there were several things stated that even though I agreed in part it wasn't the topic of the thread. These people were there specifically to disrespect someone else.
Every thread is a shitfest.
I know that chem engineer is full of crap. So...I don't respond. If there is a "why atheists blah dee blah blah blah" in the title then I'm leaving. It's not my job to correct someone's religious views. I also don't want to get locked into a go nowhere argument with an imbecile that won't end.
Should there be an Atheist forum? Because there's no manual or scriptures or tenets of atheism. The "shitfest" is because of the polarization about AFFILIATION AND ASSOCIATION.. Not because atheists dont have moral backbone. They just dont want the DISCIPLINE and HUMILITY that organized religion requires. And that lack of humility is vested in a strong predilection towards "secular humanism" which in itself is quite problematic in maintaining freedom and tolerance when men/women are individually the judges of morals and beliefs,
Not picking another shitfest here.. Want to know what you think we do to separate the irreconcilable differences. MYSELF -- I dont want to be in a society that places ANY man or woman as the ultimate arbiter of right and wrong.. It's that old saying about you overcome being a "non-believer" for certain in prison or a concentration camp...
There are atheists posting there that firmly believe religion is the undoing of the world and their mission is to destroy it and they will try at every opportunity. An atheist only forum is not going to be helpful to their cause.
Some people need that religious structure. That's cool. Nothing wrong with it. These people are not movers and shakers. They can't answer for anyone else in the past or in the present. They are just people.
Religious people need to understand that atheism is not equal to communism. That isn't how it works. God is not going to ask you about me and what I have been up to.
Ginsburg: Sometimes you have to be a little deaf.
Agree with you that an Atheist forum is a bad idea as most Atheist's don't want to waste their time starting threads to attack religion, but they WILL enter religious threads that attack Atheists.
The solution is for religious people to stop starting threads for the purpose of attacking Atheists. Then report trolling, off topic replies from non religious people in Religion only threads.
This Country has a first Amendment and long history for religious freedom to worship, that is why you will not see Atheists crashing Church services, but might crash religion only threads because some Atheists can be jerks just like Religious people can be jerks.
Either side can be jerks. Truth.
I'm just going to be honest. I'm an adult. I can see that it's a troll thread from go most of the time. A few years ago we had a poster that was very fervent in her beliefs. I did feel after talking to her over time that there was a fair bit of mental illness going on. It happens.
Sometimes you have to be the bigger person and let that just roll right off. We have never lived in a better time for everyone in the USA whether you are Wiccan, atheist, Jewish or Christian.
No lie though--some trolls start threads that are hysterical and you just gotta jump right in and say, "Hi!"
That after just declaringAs a spiritual but not truly religious person, I see no diff in the PROSTELYZING efforts of atheists or people of faith.
Amazing mental gymnastics there. Add "They just dont want the DISCIPLINE and HUMILITY that organized religion requires.".. wtf? Must be strong, whatever you're smokin' these days. You were right the first time. Indoctrination is always there on the one hand, not so on the other. The one is always (humbly? lol) pressuring the other to join, conform, be like us! The other just wants the first to mercifully piss off for a change.there's no manual or scriptures or tenets of atheism.
I believe that's the first time I've seen it referred to as a science forum.currently a Moderator of TWO giant science blogs, one is Watts Up With That?
Um, discussion and debate?If I start a thread about my belief that the traditional teachings about heaven and hell originate from paganism, and my intent is to get "traditional christians" to defend this, AS AN ATHEIST, WHAT IS THE POINT OF YOU INSERTING YOURSELF?
