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[DGS49]

You have my sincere sympathy. You have been through a lot, and I hope it leaves you stronger and not bitter.

There is no such thing as "free" government-provided stuff. Your country has made a choice to do this, and it was worked to your benefit. There are millions who have lost out on that bargain - just as there are millions who never file a claim for an auto accident - so that these benefits could be provided to you, for "free."

Most Americans who would suffer a similar episode would not be impoverished by it. The combination of health insurance (usually associated with employment), social programs, and personal resources would pretty much cover it. For those without such coverage, they would be "taken care of," but not as well as you have been.

That is America's choice, which is constrained by a Constitution that does not give the Federal Government the power to implement a compulsory national health insurance scheme. If enough Americans wanted it, they could petition the Congress and their state legislatures to have it (by Constitutional Amendment), and it would become a reality. But "we" don't, because we are satisfied with what we have. Notice that not even the most aggressive proponents of American "single payer" don't even bother proposing the necessary Constitutional Amendment, pretending that it would not be necessary, because they know that it - the Amendment - would not have a snowball's chance in hell of passing with the required super-majority.

God bless you.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

You dont [sic] know anything about me you stupid fuck.

From your own postings, we know a lot more about you than you know about our country; yet you feel entitled and qualified to continually wave your abject ignorance like a proud banner, to pontificate about issues here in our country about which you know nothing and in which you have no standing.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Just by what you've posted I can tell you're a leech on society. Your shitty life choices cost your fellow countrymen their hard-earned money, while you sponged up resources that could have helped more deserving people.

Or better yet, helped those who rightfully worked for and earned them.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I am not after sympathy. There are many others in a worse position than me.
When my wife came for me she wheeled me down the corridor and paused opposite a side room. There was a young lad in there, maybe 25, and he had no legs. I wonder what happened to him.
I came home to a loving family and a path back to a normal life. I dont know what the future held for him.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Why do you think I havent earned the help I received? I have worked since my teens and paid into the system all of that time.

Why am I not entitled to help now when I need it ?

Then perhaps you can help me choose my new car.

Everyday freedom

Discover more independence – find out how you can join the Scheme and enjoy our worry-free package.

www.motability.co.uk

 

[Tommy Tainant]

If you do not claim on your insurance you havent lost out. The protection has always been there.

 

[DGS49]

I paid life insurance premiums for 40-odd years and never filed a claim. I wagered that I would die and the insurance company wagered that i would not. I lost.

 

[Muhammed]

I have been in ill health for nearly two years now. The main reason I waste so much time on here. Anyway, before Christmas I had a below knee leg amputation and have been recovering at home since then.

That must suck.

Is that from diabetes?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I have been in ill health for nearly two years now. The main reason I waste so much time on here. Anyway, before Christmas I had a below knee leg amputation and have been recovering at home since then.

That must suck.

Is that from diabetes?

Indirectly. I had poor feeling in my feet and they got burnt on the hot sand. Infection set into the bone and they couldnt shift it. All played out over 2 years. I hope that its the end of it now.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

A tale of two men, born two days apart.

One, born in the UK, now diabetic, and suffering from a complication that used to be common in diabetics, but hasn't been common for quite some time, except where that diabetes is very poorly cared for. At least here in America, the technology and care to manage diabetes is good enough that there's really no excuse for someone of our generation to let it get that bad to cause this particular complication.

I have been in ill health for nearly two years now. The main reason I waste so much time on here. Anyway, before Christmas I had a below knee leg amputation and have been recovering at home since then.

…and one, only two days older than the other, born in America, also diabetic…

One of these men boasts about how great the health care system is in his country, and all the “free” stuff he's being given at taxpayer expense, enabling him, without effort, to live as an unproductive cripple.

The other remains a productive, healthy, able man, and will surely continue to be working, making an honest living for himself and his wife, and contributing to society for many years to come.

If these two men lived in the same country, one of them would be the one working and paying taxes, to pay for all the “free” stuff that the other is boasting about getting.

There is more to health care than just what you can get government to take away from others and give to you. A lot of it has to do with taking responsibility for your own health. This is especially true for those of us who have a condition like diabetes, that requires us especially to take good care of ourselves.

The first man is boasting that he and his countrymen get better health care than I and my countrymen get.

I think the results speak for themselves.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

A tale of two men, born two days apart.

One, born in the UK, now diabetic, and suffering from a complication that used to be common in diabetics, but hasn't been common for quite some time, except where that diabetes is very poorly cared for. At least here in America, the technology and care to manage diabetes is good enough that there's really no excuse for someone of our generation to let it get that bad to cause this particular complication.

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I have been in ill health for nearly two years now. The main reason I waste so much time on here. Anyway, before Christmas I had a below knee leg amputation and have been recovering at home since then.

…and one, only two days older than the other, born in America, also diabetic…

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One of these men boasts about how great the health care system is in his country, and all the “free” stuff he's being given at taxpayer expense, enabling him, without effort, to live as an unproductive cripple.

The other remains a productive, healthy, able man, and will surely continue to be working, making an honest living for himself and his wife, and contributing to society for many years to come.

If these two men lived in the same country, one of them would be the one working and paying taxes, to pay for all the “free” stuff that the other is boasting about getting.

There is more to health care than just what you can get government to take away from others and give to you. A lot of it has to do with taking responsibility for your own health. This is especially true for those of us who have a condition like diabetes, that requires us especially to take good care of ourselves.

The first man is boasting that he and his countrymen get better health care than I and my countrymen get.

I think the results speak for themselves.

Bob, thank you for this message of support. It has really cheered me up this morning.
I think you are suffering from a lack of understanding of our healthcare system.

None of it is "free". But all of it is free at the point of delivery. I have paid for the treatment that I have received.

This is how it works.

When we start work a small % of our income is deducted from our pay each month. It goes to pay for the NHS which offers a cradle to grave health service. Some folk will use it a lot and some paople will never use it. Much like any insurance scheme.

So I have been paying into the NHS for over 40 years. So did my parents before me and my children after me.

The NHS is in essence a giant insurance scheme like the ones that pay for your healthcare in the US. The difference is that our money goes on healthcare and not on making profits.

So everybody is covered. There are no "pre existing conditions" no "deductables" and no invoices when you leave the hospital. Even those infants with down syndrome that you hate so much are covered.

I cant make it any simpler for a man who sleeps with a sledgehammer.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

The NHS is in essence a giant insurance scheme like the ones that pay for your healthcare in the US.

You appear to have misspelled “Ponzi”. In any event, no, a massive government-run Ponzi scheme is not how health care is funded here in the U.S.

In any event, as I said before, I think the results speak for themselves.

Due to diabetic complications, you've had to have part of your leg amputated. Your boasting of all the “free” stuff that your government is giving you reminds me, tangentially, of the cliché about government breaking one's leg, and one is grateful when government provides a crutch.

It used to be common, here in the U.S., for diabetics in their later years, to have parts of their legs ampliated. Type 2 runs very strongly in my father's side of my family, and I know that I had at least one uncle on that side who lost part of his leg that way.

It hasn't been common here, for a long time. Here in the U.S., the resources are easily available to manage diabetes well enough that our generation really has no good excuse to allow the condition to get that far out of control.

You're boasting that your government-run Ponzi scheme is so great because of all the “free” benefits that it is giving you to help make up for the loss of your leg.

The point is that I, here in the U.S., being the same age as you, and with the same underlying condition, have no need for such benefits, as my legs are both fine (other than the lingering effects of having broken one of them almost two years ago). Between what health car has been available to me, and what responsibility I have taken for my own care, I obviously have experienced a far better outcome than you have. (this assumes, of course, that one considers remaining healthy and able, and continuing to be a productive worker, making an honest living for myself and my family, and contributing to society; is a better outcome than being crippled and idle, and being dependent on government to take care of you.) I think it is obvious that whatever health care I have been receiving is doing me much more good than your health care has been doing for you.

How old is this picture of you, that you've been using as an avatar?

You've been using it for a very long time, much longer than the nearly two years that you say you've been in bad health. I think it is obvious from that picture, that you've been in bad health, and very poorly cared for, for at least as far back as whenever that picture was taken. The pictures of me in this thread are recent. The one of me in the Stetson is from only a few months back, and the one of me in partial construction-worker livery (in just a few hours, I'll be putting on the whole outfit, and going to work) was taken just yesterday.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The NHS is in essence a giant insurance scheme like the ones that pay for your healthcare in the US.

You appear to have misspelled “Ponzi”. In any event, no, a massive government-run Ponzi scheme is not how health care is funded here in the U.S.

In any event, as I said before, I think the results speak for themselves.

Due to diabetic complications, you've had to have part of your leg amputated. Your boasting of all the “free” stuff that your government is giving you reminds me, tangentially, of the cliché about government breaking one's leg, and one is grateful when government provides a crutch.

It used to be common, here in the U.S., for diabetics in their later years, to have parts of their legs ampliated. Type 2 runs very strongly in my father's side of my family, and I know that I had at least one uncle on that side who lost part of his leg that way.

It hasn't been common here, for a long time. Here in the U.S., the resources are easily available to manage diabetes well enough that our generation really has no good excuse to allow the condition to get that far out of control.

You're boasting that your government-run Ponzi scheme is so great because of all the “free” benefits that it is giving you to help make up for the loss of your leg.

The point is that I, here in the U.S., being the same age as you, and with the same underlying condition, have no need for such benefits, as my legs are both fine (other than the lingering effects of having broken one of them almost two years ago). Between what health car has been available to me, and what responsibility I have taken for my own care, I obviously have experienced a far better outcome than you have. (this assumes, of course, that one considers remaining healthy and able, and continuing to be a productive worker, making an honest living for myself and my family, and contributing to society; is a better outcome than being crippled and idle, and being dependent on government to take care of you.) I think it is obvious that whatever health care I have been receiving is doing me much more good than your health care has been doing for you.

How old is this picture of you, that you've been using as an avatar?

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You've been using it for a very long time, much longer than the nearly two years that you say you've been in bad health. I think it is obvious from that picture, that you've been in bad health, and very poorly cared for, for at least as far back as whenever that picture was taken. The pictures of me in this thread are recent. The one of me in the Stetson is from only a few months back, and the one of me in partial construction-worker livery (in just a few hours, I'll be putting on the whole outfit, and going to work) was taken just yesterday.

Picture might not be me you thick fucker. Go and bully some down syndrome kids.

 

[Stryder50]

A tale of two men, born two days apart.

One, born in the UK, now diabetic, and suffering from a complication that used to be common in diabetics, but hasn't been common for quite some time, except where that diabetes is very poorly cared for. At least here in America, the technology and care to manage diabetes is good enough that there's really no excuse for someone of our generation to let it get that bad to cause this particular complication.

View attachment 506310​

I have been in ill health for nearly two years now. The main reason I waste so much time on here. Anyway, before Christmas I had a below knee leg amputation and have been recovering at home since then.

…and one, only two days older than the other, born in America, also diabetic…

View attachment 506313View attachment 506320​

One of these men boasts about how great the health care system is in his country, and all the “free” stuff he's being given at taxpayer expense, enabling him, without effort, to live as an unproductive cripple.

The other remains a productive, healthy, able man, and will surely continue to be working, making an honest living for himself and his wife, and contributing to society for many years to come.

If these two men lived in the same country, one of them would be the one working and paying taxes, to pay for all the “free” stuff that the other is boasting about getting.

There is more to health care than just what you can get government to take away from others and give to you. A lot of it has to do with taking responsibility for your own health. This is especially true for those of us who have a condition like diabetes, that requires us especially to take good care of ourselves.

The first man is boasting that he and his countrymen get better health care than I and my countrymen get.

I think the results speak for themselves.

Bob, thank you for this message of support. It has really cheered me up this morning.
I think you are suffering from a lack of understanding of our healthcare system.

None of it is "free". But all of it is free at the point of delivery. I have paid for the treatment that I have received.

This is how it works.

When we start work a small % of our income is deducted from our pay each month. It goes to pay for the NHS which offers a cradle to grave health service. Some folk will use it a lot and some paople will never use it. Much like any insurance scheme.

So I have been paying into the NHS for over 40 years. So did my parents before me and my children after me.

The NHS is in essence a giant insurance scheme like the ones that pay for your healthcare in the US. The difference is that our money goes on healthcare and not on making profits.

So everybody is covered. There are no "pre existing conditions" no "deductables" and no invoices when you leave the hospital. Even those infants with down syndrome that you hate so much are covered.

I cant make it any simpler for a man who sleeps with a sledgehammer.

NHS is run by your national government and what costs are covered by employees and businesses(employers) are covered by the deficit and debt your national government is racking up.

That Deficit and Debt will be paid by the younger persons in your society and the future generations. Currently your nation has a Debt percentage (per capita) about twice that of the USA (which is too large here also).

https://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html

One near term consequence of deficit and debt is inflation (rising costs of goods and services) and devaluation = currency worth less, lowered purchase power. You and all others are paying indirectly what you didn't pay personally via that "free" or "no charge", which technically is charged to and paid by others.

In the case of private industry/business, "profit" means you are operating efficiently and will have resources to pay shareholders dividends (if your operation has stock as part of it's structure) and also become growth in value for those whom have invested in you as part o ftheir retirement funds like pensions/IRAs/401Ks/ etc. If you run your business with little profit you maybe on the edge for failing and if run at loss, income doesn't cover costs, you likely will be out of business soon. Profit is also how businesses can fund improvement(like modernization) expansion and/or growth (which often means more jobs).

Anytime some one bad mouths profits it's a sure sign they have that socialist/communist mindset~mentality where they don't understand basic economics and likely have been more a parasite and taker from society than a contributor and maker.

 

[Stryder50]

I have been in ill health for nearly two years now. The main reason I waste so much time on here. Anyway, before Christmas I had a below knee leg amputation and have been recovering at home since then.

I was in hospital for a week.. The operation was on day 1 and I had about 6 days recovering. There was no charge for that. They send a psychiatrist round to see that you are in good spirits as well. NO Charge. She was a real charmer and took me to the shop to buy an ice cream. I wanted a Solero but they only had Feasts so I had one of them. The Psych bought it for me. No charge.

A day after my Op the Occy Health came round and measured me up. A day later they delivered my customised wheelchair. No charge.

For the next few days the Physios came round every day and I practised using the chair,getting in and out, taking bits off and putting them back.

After a week my wife came and took me home. It was great to be back. The day after that the support services turned up with a ramp so that I could get out of the front door. They also adjusted the TV height for me so that I could watch it in comfort. No charge.

After a month or so recuperating and seeing my wound heal I got my first physio appointment. Ive been going 2 or 3 times a week since then. No charge.

Two weeks ago I was told that my swelling had gone down and I could be measured up for a prosthetic. No Charge.

On Tuesday I got my new leg and started the process of getting to walk again. Ive been booked in for physio until I dont need it any more. Its hard work with a Physio who thinks Prince was over rated.

Throughout this I have been on a cocktail of drugs . No charge.

I have also been given custom insoles to put in my shoes to ensure I am walking on the level. They also gave me a pair of shoes with "special features" to help me be comfortable as I learn to walk again. No charge.

In a month or so I hope to be walking around and a few months after that I expect to be back in work.

I think that I have been well looked after throughout all of this and I only have one real complaint.

They have also sent me a leaflet explaining how I can claim my new car using my motability allowance. Its a government scheme. I cant drive my car any more without some adjustments so I might as well have a new one. No charge.

I am guessing that all of this would have cost me a tidy some in the US ?

Most Americans would have a similar experience to yours, but the poor and uninsured would not.

I have just found out that I get a "free" car as well. There is a scheme called Motability which provides sick folk with a new car to enable them to get around. You get a mobility allowance to help you travel and they take some of that and you get a car in exchange.

Dont tell any of your mates on here though. They are likely to combust.

About that "motability" thing;
...
Motability is a charity in the United Kingdom. It oversees Motability Operations Ltd, which runs the Motability Scheme intended to enable disabled people, their families and their carers to lease a new car, scooter or powered wheelchair, using their disability benefit. Currently, the scheme has more than 650,000 customers.

Motability was founded in 1977 by Lord Sterling of Plaistow and the late Lord Goodman and the Motability Scheme launched at Earl's Court, London, on 25 July 1978. It was initially targeted at motorists aged 16–19 years, with some 220 applications being processed at the beginning of the scheme.[1]

It is a partnership between the charitable sector, the UK government, leading banks, and the motor and insurance industries. Since 1978 over three million[2] cars, scooters and powered wheelchairs have been provided to help disabled people with their mobility needs.
...

Motability - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Home

Use your mobility allowance to lease a brand-new car, Wheelchair Accessible Vehicle (WAV), scooter or powered wheelchair through the Motability Scheme.

www.motability.co.uk

Many others are paying for your 'free lunch' car.

TANSTAAFL

 

[Stryder50]

No charge, to you, today.

How much was stolen from you, in the form of taxes and inflated costs, over the course of your working life (making a big leap of faith here, I know) to obtain all that "free" medical care?

I barely noticed. But I am proud to pay it so that my neighbours get healthcare.

You "barely noticed" because you never ever had a paycheck with full pay against which to compare, or you're a lifetime parasite.

I know that you think you are a funny guy. But you could try and contribute to the thread rather than expose your idiocy.

I would imagine that all of this would cost me around 6 figures in the US.

I stated fact.....The only people who "barely notice" more than half of their rightful earnings are either lying, blissfully stupid that they're being fleeced, or lifer hangers-on....Which are you?

I dont fit into any of your brain dead categories. I get a great deal for my tax payments as you can see.Your taxes go to buy bombs not help people. Who is the sucker ? You.

OK ~ so you fit into some other "brain dead categories" ? Actually, looks more like ignorance categories to me.

You get more than you put in regards tax payments, so guess your fellow citizens are the suckers here.

As for this false canard: "Your taxes go to buy bombs not help people." ~ Your ignorance is on full display here!

1) If you can do numbers, finances, and other figures; as you'll see here, "Defense/Wars" is a rather small part of our National GDP and especially our Federal guv'mint spending.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

Also, that 'defense spending' amount reflects that our military personnel have some of the highest and best pay and benefits of any nation on this planet. Also a lot of the "bomb$" has been for Research and Development (R&D), not just in weapons but in many other areas of general benefit to not only the USA, but also the World, as we'll see lower down.

2) A reminder that the "Your taxes go to buy bombs not help people." is how our nation managed to end TWO WORLD WARS started by you Europeans (and UK), and also do the rebuild -see Marshall Plan, etc. - afterward to fix the world as a result of those "foreign caused wars". This for over a century now ~ your welcome.

3) Those "bomb$" have also been used to try and fix many a global mess and resulting wars caused by your European (and UK) colonial 'adventures' around the globe during the past few centuries.

4) In the wake of WWII, the bulk of NATO in terms of military forces and cost$ has been borne by the USA, and still is. ~ Your welcome.

5) That R&D mentioned earlier resulted in the integrated circuit (IC) and other electronic minaturization; partly for military incentive, but also for our space exploration programs (see Apollo, etc.); with huge spinoff to private and commercial applications. Not to mention a few other technologies that are part of everyday modern living/lifestyles.

6) That R&D was also the seeding, via our military ("bomb$") for the start of what became the internet. Another gift of sorts from USA taxpayers and our "huge" military ( 'bombs, not help people') expenditures you denigrate.
...
The origins of the Internet date back to the development of packet switching and research commissioned by the United States Department of Defense in the 1960s to enable time-sharing of computers.[1] The primary precursor network, the ARPANET, initially served as a backbone for interconnection of regional academic and military networks in the 1970s. The funding of the National Science Foundation Network as a new backbone in the 1980s, as well as private funding for other commercial extensions, led to worldwide participation in the development of new networking technologies, and the merger of many networks.[2] The linking of commercial networks and enterprises by the early 1990s marked the beginning of the transition to the modern Internet,[3] and generated a sustained exponential growth as generations of institutional, personal, and mobile computers were connected to the network. Although the Internet was widely used by academia in the 1980s, commercialization incorporated its services and technologies into virtually every aspect of modern life.
...

Internet - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

7) Also, that "Your taxes go to buy bombs not help people." provided the world with Global Positioning System/GPS, for which we haven't charged anyone nor been paid for (and barely thanked), so there's another "free"/"no charge" the World gets from the USA and it's taxpayers.
...
The Global Positioning System (GPS), originally Navstar GPS,[1] is a satellite-based radionavigation system owned by the United States government and operated by the United States Space Force.[2] It is one of the global navigation satellite systems (GNSS) that provides geolocation and time information to a GPS receiver anywhere on or near the Earth where there is an unobstructed line of sight to four or more GPS satellites.[3] Obstacles such as mountains and buildings block the relatively weak GPS signals.

The GPS does not require the user to transmit any data, and it operates independently of any telephonic or internet reception, though these technologies can enhance the usefulness of the GPS positioning information. The GPS provides critical positioning capabilities to military, civil, and commercial users around the world. The United States government created the system, maintains it, and makes it freely accessible to anyone with a GPS receiver.[4]

The GPS project was started by the U.S. Department of Defense in 1973, with the first prototype spacecraft launched in 1978 and the full constellation of 24 satellites operational in 1993. ...
...

Global Positioning System - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

8) For most people on this planet, if they find themselves in a dangerous and distressed situation and need aid/saving from those threatening them, or harming them, there is one national flag they know means help and relief is on their way. That is the Stars and Stripes ~ the cavalry is coming to the rescue.

And that is just the top of the list.

So you can take your 'bloody' "Your (USA)taxes go to buy bombs not help people." and stick it where the Sun don't shine!

The USA has done far more for the World and to help the people of the World than any and all of them in 'the World' have ever done for us/US.

Your Welcome!

 

[Tommy Tainant]

A tale of two men, born two days apart.

One, born in the UK, now diabetic, and suffering from a complication that used to be common in diabetics, but hasn't been common for quite some time, except where that diabetes is very poorly cared for. At least here in America, the technology and care to manage diabetes is good enough that there's really no excuse for someone of our generation to let it get that bad to cause this particular complication.

View attachment 506310​

I have been in ill health for nearly two years now. The main reason I waste so much time on here. Anyway, before Christmas I had a below knee leg amputation and have been recovering at home since then.

…and one, only two days older than the other, born in America, also diabetic…

View attachment 506313View attachment 506320​

One of these men boasts about how great the health care system is in his country, and all the “free” stuff he's being given at taxpayer expense, enabling him, without effort, to live as an unproductive cripple.

The other remains a productive, healthy, able man, and will surely continue to be working, making an honest living for himself and his wife, and contributing to society for many years to come.

If these two men lived in the same country, one of them would be the one working and paying taxes, to pay for all the “free” stuff that the other is boasting about getting.

There is more to health care than just what you can get government to take away from others and give to you. A lot of it has to do with taking responsibility for your own health. This is especially true for those of us who have a condition like diabetes, that requires us especially to take good care of ourselves.

The first man is boasting that he and his countrymen get better health care than I and my countrymen get.

I think the results speak for themselves.

Bob, thank you for this message of support. It has really cheered me up this morning.
I think you are suffering from a lack of understanding of our healthcare system.

None of it is "free". But all of it is free at the point of delivery. I have paid for the treatment that I have received.

This is how it works.

When we start work a small % of our income is deducted from our pay each month. It goes to pay for the NHS which offers a cradle to grave health service. Some folk will use it a lot and some paople will never use it. Much like any insurance scheme.

So I have been paying into the NHS for over 40 years. So did my parents before me and my children after me.

The NHS is in essence a giant insurance scheme like the ones that pay for your healthcare in the US. The difference is that our money goes on healthcare and not on making profits.

So everybody is covered. There are no "pre existing conditions" no "deductables" and no invoices when you leave the hospital. Even those infants with down syndrome that you hate so much are covered.

I cant make it any simpler for a man who sleeps with a sledgehammer.

NHS is run by your national government and what costs are covered by employees and businesses(employers) are covered by the deficit and debt your national government is racking up.

That Deficit and Debt will be paid by the younger persons in your society and the future generations. Currently your nation has a Debt percentage (per capita) about twice that of the USA (which is too large here also).

https://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html

One near term consequence of deficit and debt is inflation (rising costs of goods and services) and devaluation = currency worth less, lowered purchase power. You and all others are paying indirectly what you didn't pay personally via that "free" or "no charge", which technically is charged to and paid by others.

In the case of private industry/business, "profit" means you are operating efficiently and will have resources to pay shareholders dividends (if your operation has stock as part of it's structure) and also become growth in value for those whom have invested in you as part o ftheir retirement funds like pensions/IRAs/401Ks/ etc. If you run your business with little profit you maybe on the edge for failing and if run at loss, income doesn't cover costs, you likely will be out of business soon. Profit is also how businesses can fund improvement(like modernization) expansion and/or growth (which often means more jobs).

Anytime some one bad mouths profits it's a sure sign they have that socialist/communist mindset~mentality where they don't understand basic economics and likely have been more a parasite and taker from society than a contributor and maker.

Healthcare should not be a for profit industry. Only the US doesnt get this. There is another thread on this board which states that healthcare bills are the biggest source of bankruptcy in the US.
Please explain to the class how that can be an efficient system of healthcare .

Like bobby bollox you fundamentally misunderstand the nature of our healthcare system. We have had the US system and that was rejected by the people. We rejected churchill in order to bring in a labour government that introduced a system which ensured that rich or poor would be looked after.
The NHS has been squeezed of cash for years under a conservative government and nee more money spent on it. Everybody would be happy to pay extra in taxes to fund this. The alternative is the US system of Go fuck yourself healthcare". Nobody in the civilised world wants that.

You are tools of the american healthcare system that persuades you to vote against your better interests in favour of a system which provides the lucky few with corporate jets.

Finally, your tax comparisons are meaningless as there are different systems in different countries.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

No charge, to you, today.

How much was stolen from you, in the form of taxes and inflated costs, over the course of your working life (making a big leap of faith here, I know) to obtain all that "free" medical care?

I barely noticed. But I am proud to pay it so that my neighbours get healthcare.

You "barely noticed" because you never ever had a paycheck with full pay against which to compare, or you're a lifetime parasite.

I know that you think you are a funny guy. But you could try and contribute to the thread rather than expose your idiocy.

I would imagine that all of this would cost me around 6 figures in the US.

I stated fact.....The only people who "barely notice" more than half of their rightful earnings are either lying, blissfully stupid that they're being fleeced, or lifer hangers-on....Which are you?

I dont fit into any of your brain dead categories. I get a great deal for my tax payments as you can see.Your taxes go to buy bombs not help people. Who is the sucker ? You.

OK ~ so you fit into some other "brain dead categories" ? Actually, looks more like ignorance categories to me.

You get more than you put in regards tax payments, so guess your fellow citizens are the suckers here.

As for this false canard: "Your taxes go to buy bombs not help people." ~ Your ignorance is on full display here!

1) If you can do numbers, finances, and other figures; as you'll see here, "Defense/Wars" is a rather small part of our National GDP and especially our Federal guv'mint spending.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

Also, that 'defense spending' amount reflects that our military personnel have some of the highest and best pay and benefits of any nation on this planet. Also a lot of the "bomb$" has been for Research and Development (R&D), not just in weapons but in many other areas of general benefit to not only the USA, but also the World, as we'll see lower down.

2) A reminder that the "Your taxes go to buy bombs not help people." is how our nation managed to end TWO WORLD WARS started by you Europeans (and UK), and also do the rebuild -see Marshall Plan, etc. - afterward to fix the world as a result of those "foreign caused wars". This for over a century now ~ your welcome.

3) Those "bomb$" have also been used to try and fix many a global mess and resulting wars caused by your European (and UK) colonial 'adventures' around the globe during the past few centuries.

4) In the wake of WWII, the bulk of NATO in terms of military forces and cost$ has been borne by the USA, and still is. ~ Your welcome.

5) That R&D mentioned earlier resulted in the integrated circuit (IC) and other electronic minaturization; partly for military incentive, but also for our space exploration programs (see Apollo, etc.); with huge spinoff to private and commercial applications. Not to mention a few other technologies that are part of everyday modern living/lifestyles.

6) That R&D was also the seeding, via our military ("bomb$") for the start of what became the internet. Another gift of sorts from USA taxpayers and our "huge" military ( 'bombs, not help people') expenditures you denigrate.
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The origins of the Internet date back to the development of packet switching and research commissioned by the United States Department of Defense in the 1960s to enable time-sharing of computers.[1] The primary precursor network, the ARPANET, initially served as a backbone for interconnection of regional academic and military networks in the 1970s. The funding of the National Science Foundation Network as a new backbone in the 1980s, as well as private funding for other commercial extensions, led to worldwide participation in the development of new networking technologies, and the merger of many networks.[2] The linking of commercial networks and enterprises by the early 1990s marked the beginning of the transition to the modern Internet,[3] and generated a sustained exponential growth as generations of institutional, personal, and mobile computers were connected to the network. Although the Internet was widely used by academia in the 1980s, commercialization incorporated its services and technologies into virtually every aspect of modern life.
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Internet - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

7) Also, that "Your taxes go to buy bombs not help people." provided the world with Global Positioning System/GPS, for which we haven't charged anyone nor been paid for (and barely thanked), so there's another "free"/"no charge" the World gets from the USA and it's taxpayers.
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The Global Positioning System (GPS), originally Navstar GPS,[1] is a satellite-based radionavigation system owned by the United States government and operated by the United States Space Force.[2] It is one of the global navigation satellite systems (GNSS) that provides geolocation and time information to a GPS receiver anywhere on or near the Earth where there is an unobstructed line of sight to four or more GPS satellites.[3] Obstacles such as mountains and buildings block the relatively weak GPS signals.

The GPS does not require the user to transmit any data, and it operates independently of any telephonic or internet reception, though these technologies can enhance the usefulness of the GPS positioning information. The GPS provides critical positioning capabilities to military, civil, and commercial users around the world. The United States government created the system, maintains it, and makes it freely accessible to anyone with a GPS receiver.[4]

The GPS project was started by the U.S. Department of Defense in 1973, with the first prototype spacecraft launched in 1978 and the full constellation of 24 satellites operational in 1993. ...
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Global Positioning System - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

8) For most people on this planet, if they find themselves in a dangerous and distressed situation and need aid/saving from those threatening them, or harming them, there is one national flag they know means help and relief is on their way. That is the Stars and Stripes ~ the cavalry is coming to the rescue.

And that is just the top of the list.

So you can take your 'bloody' "Your (USA)taxes go to buy bombs not help people." and stick it where the Sun don't shine!

The USA has done far more for the World and to help the people of the World than any and all of them in 'the World' have ever done for us/US.

Your Welcome!

And yet you couldnt invade Afghanistan without British help. Or Iraq where you lied about WMDs and thousands were slaughtered.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Healthcare should not be a for profit industry.

Perhaps so, in the fictional Marxist fantasy land in which you dream of living.

Out here in The Real World, people need to make a living, even those who are in the business of providing goods and services that other people need.

Should farms and factories and apartment complexes also not be allowed to be run for profit?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

They also gave me a pair of shoes with "special features"…

Being very lightweight is not really a particularly special feature in loafers. At least not for your kind.