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[Robert W]

Working on it, hasn't happened yet.

And that wasn't a Tesla video.

And no evidence for the range and charging time claim.

Thanks for trying.

I have to say, you did say thank you. I was replying to you but maybe you did not want a reply.

 

[Robert W]

One cannot dump that much energy into a battery that fast.

The aluminum ion battery recharges super fast. The LI battery just recharges 1 ion per period, the aluminum battery is 3 times faster.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I have to say, you did say thank you. I was replying to you but maybe you did not want a reply.

I wanted evidence that it already happened, like you claimed.

You had none, apparently.

 

[The Duke]

The aluminum ion battery recharges super fast. The LI battery just recharges 1 ion per period, the aluminum battery is 3 times faster.

Still not that fast.

 

[Captain Caveman]

The new Aluminum Ion battery is exciting and lowers prices for a EV. At last the battery takes you 1000 miles and recharges in 5 minutes. Tesla has cut auto prices with that battery. And there is no fire danger.

If it works, good news. At the moment, many excited people are racing ahead of themselves. They won’t be available in the US for at least a few years because automakers haven’t tested the batteries. All the articles I've read keep saying, "Could", "Might", "potentially" etc.. So time will tell.

 

[The Duke]

If it works, good news. At the moment, many excited people are racing ahead of themselves. They won’t be available in the US for at least a few years because automakers haven’t tested the batteries. All the articles I've read keep saying, "Could", "Might", "potentially" etc.. So time will tell.

Pigs could fly, but they usually don't.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Pigs could fly, but they usually don't.

There was a programme in the UK called Tomorrows World spanning from 1965 to 2003. It featured new technologies. The vast majority never saw the light of day. So we were drought up being dubious to new technologies/inventions. Some did hit the market, but not what anyone expected quantity wise over a 38 year period. Probably lucky if 38 hit the market.

 

[Robert W]

If it works, good news. At the moment, many excited people are racing ahead of themselves. They won’t be available in the US for at least a few years because automakers haven’t tested the batteries. All the articles I've read keep saying, "Could", "Might", "potentially" etc.. So time will tell.

Tesla and Toyota are all over this and plan to deliver autos this year.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Tesla and Toyota are all over this and plan to deliver autos this year.

Like I said, potentially -

 

[Robert W]

Still not that fast.

Aluminum ion batteries are rechargeable batteries that use aluminum ions (Al³⁺) as charge carriers. This innovative design allows them to deliver higher energy densities than lithium-ion batteries potentially. Specifically, aluminum can exchange three electrons per ion during charging and discharging. One aluminum ion can carry the equivalent charge of three lithium ions.

Aluminium Ion Battery vs Lithium-Ion: Key Differences

Explore the differences between aluminium ion and lithium-ion batteries, focusing on energy density, charging speed, safety, and why aluminium ion shapes tech.

www.ufinebattery.com

Aluminum ion batteries allow aluminum ions (Al³⁺) to move from the anode to the cathode during discharge and back during charging. This process involves:

• Discharge Phase: Aluminium at the anode oxidizes, releasing Al³⁺ ions into the electrolyte while electrons flow through the external circuit to provide power.
• Charge Phase: Al³⁺ ions migrate back to the anode, which is reduced to metallic aluminum as electrons return from the external circuit.

This mechanism allows for fast charging times—some prototypes can charge in just one minute—and significantly longer cycle lives than traditional lithium-ion batteries.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Robert W this is a summary of the internet on the aluminium battery -

Aluminum batteries, particularly aluminum-air batteries, offer some environmental advantages over lithium-ion batteries, but also pose unique challenges. While they have a lower environmental impact in terms of resource scarcity and recycling difficulty, they can still contribute to greenhouse gas emissions during aluminum production and electricity generation for charging. The end-of-life processing of aluminum batteries is also a consideration, though it may be less impactful than that of lithium-ion batteries.

Potential Environmental Benefits:

• Reduced reliance on scarce resources:
  Aluminum is more abundant and widely distributed than lithium, reducing supply chain risks and potential environmental impacts associated with mining and processing.
  
• Easier recycling:
  Aluminum is highly recyclable, and recycling aluminum can be less energy-intensive than recycling other battery materials.
  
• Lower overall impact than lithium-ion batteries:
  Some studies suggest that aluminum-air batteries have a lower overall environmental impact than lithium-ion batteries, especially when considering the entire life cycle.
  
• Potential for lower greenhouse gas emissions:
  In some scenarios, aluminum batteries could contribute to lower greenhouse gas emissions, particularly when paired with renewable energy sources.
  

Potential Environmental Concerns:

• Aluminum production:
  Aluminum production is energy-intensive and can contribute to greenhouse gas emissions and other environmental impacts, especially when produced using fossil fuels.
  
• Electricity source for charging:
  If the electricity used to charge aluminum batteries comes from fossil fuel sources, it can negate some of the environmental benefits.
  
• Electrolyte toxicity:
  Some aluminum battery designs utilize electrolytes that can be toxic or corrosive, requiring careful handling and disposal.
  
• End-of-life processing:
  While recycling aluminum is generally efficient, the end-of-life processing of aluminum batteries can still have environmental impacts, including potential emissions and waste generation.
  
• Potential for fire hazards:
  Some aluminum battery designs, particularly those using certain electrolytes, can pose a fire risk.
  

Overall:
Aluminum batteries represent a promising alternative to lithium-ion batteries, offering potential benefits in terms of resource availability and recycling. However, it's crucial to address the environmental concerns associated with aluminum production, electricity generation, and end-of-life processing to ensure their overall sustainability. Life cycle assessments (LCAs) are valuable tools for evaluating the environmental impacts of different battery technologies and guiding the development of more sustainable solutions.

 

[Robert W]

There was a programme in the UK called Tomorrows World spanning from 1965 to 2003. It featured new technologies. The vast majority never saw the light of day. So we were drought up being dubious to new technologies/inventions. Some did hit the market, but not what anyone expected quantity wise over a 38 year period. Probably lucky if 38 hit the market.

 

[Captain Caveman]

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I thought you Leftwing guys were boycotting and vandalising Tesla's? What gives?

 

[Robert W]

Like I said, potentially -


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Tesla has them on the market, now.

 

[Robert W]

I thought you Leftwing guys were boycotting and vandalising Tesla's? What gives?

I am not left wing. My primary gripe with the earlier evs is wasted time charging the former Tesla's and price of them. Tesla has hit a home run and soon so will Toyota.
I never damage property not mine. Read my bio.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Let's all go back to the days before CAFE standards and those ridiculous clean air laws

Remember those good times!

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CAFE standards doesn't make that much difference to air pollution reduction while the Clean Air act 0f 1970 was strongly supported by President Nixon and made a big difference in cleaning up the air as the EPA was given the congressional madate to enforce it.

LINK

 

[Mr Natural]

In 25 years or so they’ll be laughing at us and our gasoline powered cars.

 

[Captain Caveman]

In 25 years or so they’ll be laughing at us and our gasoline powered cars.

If the car/van is petrol, diesel, electric, hydrogen, or nuclear power; I just want it as convenient and as cheap as the diesel vehicle I'm running. At the moment, electric fails on all criteria.