Reaganomics vs Obamanomics

Obama likes to compare his approval numbers to Reagan's. It's how he fools himself into thinking that everyone will love him again. You see at this point in their presidencies those approval numbers are actually rather similar. The problem for Barack is that Ronnie had already done the work to turn things around and the economy started coming back with a vengeance. That's what got him a landslide victory for his second term.

Unlike Ronald Reagan who had a plan going in...Barack Obama doesn't have a clue how to turn this economy around. You only have to look at the latest CBO numbers to see that four more years of Obama is going to mean four more years of a stagnant economy and high unemployment.
All one has to do to see the greatness of Ronald Reagan, is look at how many dem's proclaimed themselves 'Reagan Democrats" as his presidency moved forward.

Ya.....but they left in droves as soon as it became clear his economic policies put us on a path to destruction (his own Budget Director said so) and his administration turned into one of the most corrupt in history.

Trickle Down economics was a Trojan Horse

Reagan administration scandals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Reagan was a good actor. Nothing more.

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If the economy we had was like the economy that Reagan had when he came into office our recession would be long over.

It isn't, so comparisons like these just show us how ignorant some of us really are about all things macro-economic.
 
If the economy we had was like the economy that Reagan had when he came into office our recession would be long over.

It isn't, so comparisons like these just show us how ignorant some of us really are about all things macro-economic.

So you're saying that Obama would have made the tough economic choices that Reagan made the first two years that he was in office to get us out of the stagflation he inherited from Jimmy Carter? Sorry but I find that laughable. The REASON that Ronald Reagan's approval ratings were so low during the first two years of his administration was that he tightened up the money supply to get inflation under control. Reagan actually took steps to fix the problems we faced as a country. What has Obama done? He's made them worse because he hasn't addressed them. At this point in the Reagan Presidency the economy started to grow by leaps and bounds. Does anyone here think that our economy is going to do the same thing? Anyone? It won't and it won't because Obama went along with liberal Keynesian economic theory and tried to spend his way out of the recession. So now we're broke and the problems haven't been fixed and we're headed back towards a double dip recession. Or is that just me being "ignorant" of all things macro-economic?
 
Reagan was a leader. A man in full.

Comparing the ignorant dilettante that is currently stinking up the West Wing to him is ridiculous. Obama is simply not worthy of the comparison. He is worse than Carter. He's failed.
 
If the economy we had was like the economy that Reagan had when he came into office our recession would be long over.

It isn't, so comparisons like these just show us how ignorant some of us really are about all things macro-economic.

The Reagan years achieved their 'growth' through cheap energy and a consumer credit bubble...

Clinton years - Stock bubble...

Bush years - Housing bubble...

Unfortunately, with cheap energy gone (probably for good), the only way to see comparable growth is the find the next bubble, and there's some intellectual disagreement about whether inflating it would be the right thing to do, even if we could locate and guide the inflation of said bubble.
 
It's not over.... :eusa_whistle: and phenomenally positive things are happening during Obama's term that has not happened during any other's ever mentioned in history. How 'bout we just call this down time of 'his' as timing... so that later when it's an up time the 'bitchers of now' won't have to succumb to admitting to more than it being mere 'timing' then.


Are you high?
 
If the economy we had was like the economy that Reagan had when he came into office our recession would be long over.

It isn't, so comparisons like these just show us how ignorant some of us really are about all things macro-economic.

The Reagan years achieved their 'growth' through cheap energy and a consumer credit bubble...

Clinton years - Stock bubble...

Bush years - Housing bubble...

Unfortunately, with cheap energy gone (probably for good), the only way to see comparable growth is the find the next bubble, and there's some intellectual disagreement about whether inflating it would be the right thing to do, even if we could locate and guide the inflation of said bubble.

So where is Obama's "bubble"? I'll give you a hint...don't waste a lot of time looking because there isn't one...nor should you EXPECT one anytime soon. Bubbles, as you put it, are the result of fiscal policy. Obama won't have a bubble because his fiscal policy is such a disaster.
 
Unfortunately, with cheap energy gone (probably for good)

Cured by domestic exploration and ending too much green over-regulation. So being 'over for good' is highly assumptive and wishful thinking on the part of ecofascists.
 
One succeeded, the other failed. From this AM's WSJ. More at the source.

If you really want to light the fuse of a liberal Democrat, compare Barack Obama's economic performance after 30 months in office with that of Ronald Reagan. It's not at all flattering for Mr. Obama.

The two presidents have a lot in common. Both inherited an American economy in collapse. And both applied daring, expensive remedies. Mr. Reagan passed the biggest tax cut ever, combined with an agenda of deregulation, monetary restraint and spending controls. Mr. Obama, of course, has given us a $1 trillion spending stimulus.

By the end of the summer of Reagan's third year in office, the economy was soaring. The GDP growth rate was 5% and racing toward 7%, even 8% growth. In 1983 and '84 output was growing so fast the biggest worry was that the economy would "overheat." In the summer of 2011 we have an economy limping along at barely 1% growth and by some indications headed toward a "double-dip" recession. By the end of Reagan's first term, it was Morning in America. Today there is gloomy talk of America in its twilight.

My purpose here is not more Reagan idolatry, but to point out an incontrovertible truth: One program for recovery worked, and the other hasn't.

The Reagan philosophy was to incentivize production—i.e., the "supply side" of the economy—by lowering restraints on business expansion and investment. This was done by slashing marginal income tax rates, eliminating regulatory high hurdles, and reining in inflation with a tighter monetary policy.



The Keynesians in the early 1980s assured us that the Reagan expansion would not and could not happen. Rapid growth with new jobs and falling rates of inflation (to 4% in 1983 from 13% in 1980) is an impossibility in Keynesian textbooks. If you increase demand, prices go up. If you increase supply—as Reagan did—prices go down.

The Godfather of the neo-Keynesians, Paul Samuelson, was the lead critic of the supposed follies of Reaganomics. He wrote in a 1980 Newsweek column that to slay the inflation monster would take "five to ten years of austerity," with unemployment of 8% or 9% and real output of "barely 1 or 2 percent." Reaganomics was routinely ridiculed in the media, especially in the 1982 recession. That was the year MIT economist Lester Thurow famously said, "The engines of economic growth have shut down here and across the globe, and they are likely to stay that way for years to come."

The economy would soon take flight for more than 80 consecutive months. Then the Reagan critics declared what they once thought couldn't work was actually a textbook Keynesian expansion fueled by budget deficits of $200 billion a year, or about 4%-5% of GDP
Stephen Moore: Obamanonics vs. Reaganomics - WSJ.com

Bullshit article from Fox Noise, goes in the manure pile.



Well let's see...

The economy was in the dumper when Reagan was elected, the masses were depressed and gripped by the idea that Ameican ascendancy was ended and that the American dream was past.

That was after 4 years of Jimmy Carter.

We will soon have had 4 years of Barrack Obama.

The masses are adopting the same mind set as was held under the shroud of the Carter policies.

If the next President takes office and initiates a period of 80 months of 80 months of expansion and the economy begins to grow at the rate of 8% and we attain full employment again, that would be nice.

If the current President knows how to ignite the growth in the economy and is not doing so, that would be almost treasonous. If he has no clue, which is my belief, that is not criminal, just too bad. Too bad for him, but moreso for us. I guess we'll know more about this after his big, belated, speech.

The country divides into two groups: Those who remember how the Carter years felt and those who are finding out.
 
If the economy we had was like the economy that Reagan had when he came into office our recession would be long over.

It isn't, so comparisons like these just show us how ignorant some of us really are about all things macro-economic.

Ironically, we now have what is closer to what free market conservatives want. The market is taking jobs away from 'overpaid' Americans and moving them to 50 cents an hour type labor markets in classic free market fashion.
 
If the economy we had was like the economy that Reagan had when he came into office our recession would be long over.

It isn't, so comparisons like these just show us how ignorant some of us really are about all things macro-economic.

The Reagan years achieved their 'growth' through cheap energy and a consumer credit bubble...

Clinton years - Stock bubble...

Bush years - Housing bubble...

Unfortunately, with cheap energy gone (probably for good), the only way to see comparable growth is the find the next bubble, and there's some intellectual disagreement about whether inflating it would be the right thing to do, even if we could locate and guide the inflation of said bubble.

So where is Obama's "bubble"? I'll give you a hint...don't waste a lot of time looking because there isn't one...nor should you EXPECT one anytime soon. Bubbles, as you put it, are the result of fiscal policy. Obama won't have a bubble because his fiscal policy is such a disaster.

Lol, really? Is it obamas 'fiscal policies?' Naw, I think its far more likely that its just you talking shit because you can.

Bubbles are not an inherently good thing, and consumers are apprehensive to invest after seeing the devastating result of the last contraction.

Fiscal policy, you kill me. What about current fiscal policy is oh so dissimilar from the last administration? Taxes are the same or lower. Interest rates are at historic lows. What brilliant policy is obama remiss in declaring?:cuckoo:
 
Bullshit article from Fox Noise, goes in the manure pile.
Thought terminating statement. It's from a Murdoch owned paper, therefore it's lies. Aaaaaaallllll lies...

...therefore I don't have to think about anything it says.

Fox Nation doesn't think why should I have to...?



The situation seems to be stuck on dismal.

I'm not saying your man is malicious, just incompetent. I'm sure he's a very good at selling things. He should stick to what he's good at.
 
Thought terminating statement. It's from a Murdoch owned paper, therefore it's lies. Aaaaaaallllll lies...

...therefore I don't have to think about anything it says.

Fox Nation doesn't think why should I have to...?



The situation seems to be stuck on dismal.

I'm not saying your man is malicious, just incompetent. I'm sure he's a very good at selling things. He should stick to what he's good at.

He is, THE CONSTANT CAMPAIGN


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Bullshit article from Fox Noise, goes in the manure pile.
Thought terminating statement. It's from a Murdoch owned paper, therefore it's lies. Aaaaaaallllll lies...

...therefore I don't have to think about anything it says.

Fox Nation doesn't think why should I have to...?

you are welcome to challenge the assertions in the article, or you can just post more witless, inane gobbledygook...oh wait....
 
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One succeeded, the other failed. From this AM's WSJ. More at the source.


Stephen Moore: Obamanonics vs. Reaganomics - WSJ.com

Bullshit article from Fox Noise, goes in the manure pile.



Well let's see...

The economy was in the dumper when Reagan was elected, the masses were depressed and gripped by the idea that Ameican ascendancy was ended and that the American dream was past.

That was after 4 years of Jimmy Carter.

We will soon have had 4 years of Barrack Obama.

The masses are adopting the same mind set as was held under the shroud of the Carter policies.

If the next President takes office and initiates a period of 80 months of 80 months of expansion and the economy begins to grow at the rate of 8% and we attain full employment again, that would be nice.

If the current President knows how to ignite the growth in the economy and is not doing so, that would be almost treasonous. If he has no clue, which is my belief, that is not criminal, just too bad. Too bad for him, but moreso for us. I guess we'll know more about this after his big, belated, speech.

The country divides into two groups: Those who remember how the Carter years felt and those who are finding out.
he can be glad there is no hostage crisis. But then again, that didn't start for Carter till just before his last year.
 
One succeeded, the other failed. From this AM's WSJ. More at the source.

If you really want to light the fuse of a liberal Democrat, compare Barack Obama's economic performance after 30 months in office with that of Ronald Reagan. It's not at all flattering for Mr. Obama.

The two presidents have a lot in common. Both inherited an American economy in collapse. And both applied daring, expensive remedies. Mr. Reagan passed the biggest tax cut ever, combined with an agenda of deregulation, monetary restraint and spending controls. Mr. Obama, of course, has given us a $1 trillion spending stimulus.

By the end of the summer of Reagan's third year in office, the economy was soaring. The GDP growth rate was 5% and racing toward 7%, even 8% growth. In 1983 and '84 output was growing so fast the biggest worry was that the economy would "overheat." In the summer of 2011 we have an economy limping along at barely 1% growth and by some indications headed toward a "double-dip" recession. By the end of Reagan's first term, it was Morning in America. Today there is gloomy talk of America in its twilight.

My purpose here is not more Reagan idolatry, but to point out an incontrovertible truth: One program for recovery worked, and the other hasn't.

The Reagan philosophy was to incentivize production—i.e., the "supply side" of the economy—by lowering restraints on business expansion and investment. This was done by slashing marginal income tax rates, eliminating regulatory high hurdles, and reining in inflation with a tighter monetary policy.



The Keynesians in the early 1980s assured us that the Reagan expansion would not and could not happen. Rapid growth with new jobs and falling rates of inflation (to 4% in 1983 from 13% in 1980) is an impossibility in Keynesian textbooks. If you increase demand, prices go up. If you increase supply—as Reagan did—prices go down.

The Godfather of the neo-Keynesians, Paul Samuelson, was the lead critic of the supposed follies of Reaganomics. He wrote in a 1980 Newsweek column that to slay the inflation monster would take "five to ten years of austerity," with unemployment of 8% or 9% and real output of "barely 1 or 2 percent." Reaganomics was routinely ridiculed in the media, especially in the 1982 recession. That was the year MIT economist Lester Thurow famously said, "The engines of economic growth have shut down here and across the globe, and they are likely to stay that way for years to come."

The economy would soon take flight for more than 80 consecutive months. Then the Reagan critics declared what they once thought couldn't work was actually a textbook Keynesian expansion fueled by budget deficits of $200 billion a year, or about 4%-5% of GDP
Stephen Moore: Obamanonics vs. Reaganomics - WSJ.com

Let's start out with the first assertion

two presidents have a lot in common. Both inherited an American economy in collapse. A

Nation Debt Reagan started with 850 billion
National Debt Obama started with 10+ Trillion plus defered debt from wars and Tax breaks

Reagan started with Zero wars
Obama started with 2 wars

Reagan started with a fairly steady unemployment rate
Obama started with a uneployment rate that was falling of a cliff.



Obama started with all of the problems you mention and either did nothing to improve them or actively made them worse.

Reagan started with problems that you ignor and corrected them.

It's not whether you get knocked down. It's whether you get back up.

Right now, we're flat our our collective back and the Big 0 is helping us to roll into a grave.
 
If the economy we had was like the economy that Reagan had when he came into office our recession would be long over.

It isn't, so comparisons like these just show us how ignorant some of us really are about all things macro-economic.

thats to easy. if is the middle word in life, we each deal with whats before us.

reagan managed to, even after taking it on the chin allowing Volcker to drive recessionary policies to straighten out the fiscal ineptitude and problems that were in effect.

so far, things are not looking good. obama appears to have an issue thinking outside the box*shrugs*
 
Trickle down prosperity verses trickle down poverty. They both are working the way they were designed to work. Both are successful in the way the president wanted them to work
 
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