Reagan vs Obama

[Sallow]

So Trump is correct? (And NO, I am not supporting him...but he has a firm grip on this issue)...

And WHY do we continue to do it as we chase more businesses OFF our shores due to a government that penalizes businesses for commerce and being successful at it?

Trump is partially correct..but no businesses are getting "penalized" in this country..far from it.

And if you'd ever been to China..you'd know that the Chinese are now imposing all sorts of regulations concerning the environment. They have to. China is so polluted now it's causing all sorts of problems.

Really? They aren't? Why so many layoffs? Why is the unemployment rate so high?

*Try Again*

Try what again?

The primary motivation for business is profit. Pure and simple. So if these guys can offshore work at a cheaper rate..they will. Additionally..many companies have adopted a "more with less" attitude. They call it "Synergy". Thanks to the collapse of Unions, many places just fire people..and give the rest of the work to those that are left. It's happening in my shop. We went from a place with 1500 techs down to 500. I've actually been moved to 2 shifts in the last 2 years to cover. Now I work from 12am to 8am. It's a shift I would have never taken some 10 years ago..but things are so bad..and I have seniority...that I did it. This is happening in every type of business across the board. And this is why regulation is so desperately needed. Companies should be profiting through innovation, not by cutting head count.

 

[Truthmatters]

The average joe has been squeezed for a decade or more.

 

[Trajan]

I'm putting this in Politics because the economic performance is a function of policy, leadership and politics.

Reagan vs. Obama - A Tale of Two Recoveries

Which policies achieved the better result:

And granted, the economy needs to expand by at least 2.5% just to keep up with growth in the labor force. So at 1.8%, we're essentially losing ground, a fact that last week's 429,000 initial jobless claims underscores. But what Goolsbee didn't acknowledge is that the economy could be growing at a much faster rate, and would be if it weren't saddled with Obama's reckless policies.

How do we know this? Compare the two worst post-World War II recessions. Both the 1981-82 and the 2007-09 downturns were long (16 months and 18 months, respectively) and painful (unemployment peaked at 10.8% in 1981-82 and 10.1% in the last one).

What's dramatically different, however, is how each president responded.

Obama massively increased spending, vastly expanded the regulatory state, and pushed through a government takeover of health care. What's more, he constantly browbeats industry leaders, talks about the failings of the marketplace and endlessly advocates higher taxes on the most productive parts of the economy.

In contrast, Reagan pushed spending restraint, deregulated entire industries, massively cut taxes and waxed poetic about the wonders of a free economy.

The result? While the Reagan recovery saw turbocharged growth and a tumbling unemployment rate, Obama's has produced neither....

Editorial: A Tale Of Two Recessions And Two Presidents - Investors.com

Wow, so... let's see if we have this straight:

Reagan's "recovery" began in 1983, 2 1/2 years after he took over?

We should just ignore the first two years of his office, where the country didn't just not move into recovery, but went into another recession?

And then, conveniently, in the same comparison, include Obama's first two years in office...

Seriously? That's the worst comparison I've ever seen.

Hey, here's an idea, let's rate Roosevelt's performance as president solely on the years 1942-1945!

Who is this jackass who wrote that article? Some kind of Reagan-worshipping revisionist historian?

ROFL.

way to mis-read the OP.....

 

[Vast LWC]

Wow, so... let's see if we have this straight:

Reagan's "recovery" began in 1983, 2 1/2 years after he took over?

We should just ignore the first two years of his office, where the country didn't just not move into recovery, but went into another recession?

And then, conveniently, in the same comparison, include Obama's first two years in office...

Seriously? That's the worst comparison I've ever seen.

Hey, here's an idea, let's rate Roosevelt's performance as president solely on the years 1942-1945!

Who is this jackass who wrote that article? Some kind of Reagan-worshipping revisionist historian?

ROFL.

way to mis-read the OP.....

Err, I was talking about the article linked (thus my use of the term "jackass who wrote the article") not the OP.

 

[Trajan]

you didn't address the OP?

 

[Sallow]

you didn't address the OP?

Did you just complain about nit-picking a few posts back?

 

[The T]

File:U.S. Federal Tax Receipts as a Percentage of GDP 1945

spin these facts

No spin required. It's quite clear that the U.S. economy has a tolerance for tax receipts as a percent of GDP in the 18-19% range. What the graph doesn't show is the corresponding GDP growth. Period of lower taxes lead to higher economic growth. Although the tax receipt % of GDP may still hover along the trend line, the absolute amount grows because the economy is growing.

This is why Obama increasing the size of the federal government by 25% is a FRELLING FINANCIAL AND ECONOMIC DISASTER.

Indeed. The Takers outweigh the producers...

 

[Vast LWC]

you didn't address the OP?

I did, but then I specifically referred to the article contained within the OP. I can see where there may have been a misreading of what I wrote though.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Do you deny that almost all if not all of the Reagan recovery occurred AFTER the 1982 tax increase?

Please, deny that.

Strawman? I could have sworn the discussion was Reagan v. Obama, particularly comparing recessions, of which the tax situation was a huge part. Hello?

Trajan doesn't know what a strawman is. He thinks it's the equivalent of a white flag, which, oddly enough, in his case, it is.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Reagans, and this has been noted as the Reagan recession by me several times, and by others for some months......happy now?


But wait!!! theres more!!!!

There are folks here, *ahem* that say he didn't have squat to do with it becasue it was successful in what it set out to do and had to be done, so Volcker gets the credit, ala the Volcker recession...sound familiar?



Oh and I am sure it doesn't matter to you, but like, he was you know, shot? 70 days into his term and had a very truncated schedule for 6 months there after...

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now Reagan gets a pass on the 16 month recession he presided over, because he was shot and out of commission in 1981.

Oh. My. God.

So when did the BIG tax cut that is supposed to be the be-all end-all centerpiece of REAGANomics pass?

While he was out of commission. Of course, we are going to give him CREDIT for that,

because we're ******* rightwing partisan hack imbeciles...

lord help them

I never said he deserved a pass,I also said now for the 5th or 6th time it was his ball, his recession, either way.........

and as far as the rest of your rant-

here, you and tiachi liberal can belly up to the same pharmaceutical counter-

According to multiple sources, Coprolalia is best treated with Aripiprazole.

I am concerned for your psychological well being buddy, you know that.......please give it a look.

Ok, then explain to all of us, explicitly, why you brought up Reagan being shot at all.

Tell us exactly what was your reason. In detail.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Another thread that was not in vain, since we did learn a valuable tidbit of history.

The 81-82 recession was Jodie Foster's fault.

 

[Trajan]

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now Reagan gets a pass on the 16 month recession he presided over, because he was shot and out of commission in 1981.

Oh. My. God.

So when did the BIG tax cut that is supposed to be the be-all end-all centerpiece of REAGANomics pass?

While he was out of commission. Of course, we are going to give him CREDIT for that,

because we're ******* rightwing partisan hack imbeciles...

lord help them

I never said he deserved a pass,I also said now for the 5th or 6th time it was his ball, his recession, either way.........

and as far as the rest of your rant-

here, you and tiachi liberal can belly up to the same pharmaceutical counter-

According to multiple sources, Coprolalia is best treated with Aripiprazole.

I am concerned for your psychological well being buddy, you know that.......please give it a look.

Ok, then explain to all of us, explicitly, why you brought up Reagan being shot at all.

Tell us exactly what was your reason. In detail.

dude, up---your---dosage....

 

[NYcarbineer]

I never said he deserved a pass,I also said now for the 5th or 6th time it was his ball, his recession, either way.........

and as far as the rest of your rant-

here, you and tiachi liberal can belly up to the same pharmaceutical counter-

According to multiple sources, Coprolalia is best treated with Aripiprazole.

I am concerned for your psychological well being buddy, you know that.......please give it a look.

Ok, then explain to all of us, explicitly, why you brought up Reagan being shot at all.

Tell us exactly what was your reason. In detail.

dude, up---your---dosage....

Then without objection, my observation stands. You were trying to give Reagan a pass on the 81 recession because he was shot while at the same time giving him credit for passing the 81 tax cut.

HEE-larious.

I guess the bullet missed his tax cutting organ and hit his recession prevention organ. lolol

 

[The T]

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now Reagan gets a pass on the 16 month recession he presided over, because he was shot and out of commission in 1981.

Oh. My. God.

So when did the BIG tax cut that is supposed to be the be-all end-all centerpiece of REAGANomics pass?

While he was out of commission. Of course, we are going to give him CREDIT for that,

because we're ******* rightwing partisan hack imbeciles...

lord help them

I never said he deserved a pass,I also said now for the 5th or 6th time it was his ball, his recession, either way.........

and as far as the rest of your rant-

here, you and tiachi liberal can belly up to the same pharmaceutical counter-

According to multiple sources, Coprolalia is best treated with Aripiprazole.

I am concerned for your psychological well being buddy, you know that.......please give it a look.

Ok, then explain to all of us, explicitly, why you brought up Reagan being shot at all.

Tell us exactly what was your reason. In detail.

It's a valid argument...NOT an excuse...

 

[Trajan]

I never discussed taxs, remember ? that was your strawman.

*sigh* I wasn't aware Aripiprazole had memory side effects, call your doctor, in fact I would stop now, you have precious little to lose my friend. All my best.

 

[driveby]

Oh, and here I thought Clinton made some secret deal with Castro or something that almost brought the entire country to its knees. You know, you could have just SAID what you were talking about, and we could have cleared that up immediately. You also could haved posted a link to any one of hundreds of articles assessing the Brookings analysis, rather than one by a blatantly far-right organization as a teaser. But nooooooooo, it's not your style. You just love to toss out little crumbs hoping to hook a sucker. When or when will I learn your MO?

So, out of all that verbiage designed to cloud the issue...you seem to admit that Democrat Clinton marched shoulder to shoulder with Communist Tyrannt Fidel Castro....


...I see your improvement already!

Ah..so you hate Clinton and love Reagan..

This speaks volumes.

I love posting it.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R67CH-qhXJs]YouTube - President Ronald Reagan - Address on Iran-Contra[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5YOQEZtNE0&feature=related]YouTube - Ronald Reagan Speech about Iran-Contra (Part 2 of 2)[/ame]

He committed treason and lied about it.

Is this like that thousandth time you've posted that and called it "treason"? Is it not treason to take bags of cash from chinese monks or are you just a hyper partisan ******?...........

 

[Truthmatters]

another thread that was not in vain, since we did learn a valuable tidbit of history.

The 81-82 recession was jodie foster's fault.

lol

 

[NYcarbineer]

Reagan's economic policies were an unmitigated disaster. There were not one..but two major bailouts and multiple bank failures. It took the very pragmatic and very sound domestic policies of George HW Bush to steer the United States out of failure. But heck..the mythmaking continues unabated by the right..

Further proof that you are a BLITHERING IDIOT.

Reagan's policies led to one of the most successful economic expansions and period of job creation in history.

Not unless you can prove cause and effect they didn't. ALL recessions are followed by expansions, regardless of the policies of presidents.

 

[Antiderivative]

Don't ever quote Boediccia again.

 

[Truthmatters]

why?