Reagan Had It Right All Along!

[BorisTheAnimal]

That's why we need someone who can effectively convey the timeless principles of Conservatism.

You spelled 'mindless' wrong.

What is so mindless about distrusting the government to do anything right outside of its Constitutional mandates?

We do that. Your problem is that we don't let guy on the internet decide what is constitutional or not.[/QUOTE]

No you don't. This is why we have the sickening "Roe" decision, this is why we're stuck (for now) with obamalamacare.

 

[Moonglow]

You spelled 'mindless' wrong.

What is so mindless about distrusting the government to do anything right outside of its Constitutional mandates?

We do that. Your problem is that we don't let guy on the internet decide what is constitutional or not.

No you don't. This is why we have the sickening "Roe" decision, this is why we're stuck (for now) with obamalamacare.[/QUOTE]

The quote function is your friend.

 

[healthmyths]

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There are many whose romantic notion of We The People working together as a collective community is so ingrained in them, that they're more than willing to forgive the bloat, sloth, waste, corruption and intergenerational dependency that are inherent in an ever-increasing government.

Their passion makes them effective communicators of this romantic vision, because it does more than attract like-minded people - it attracts those who are jealous of the success of others, those who are simply too lazy to put out the effort required of any level of success, and those who want to game the system. So there are those who are sincere about this romantic notion, and those who want to take advantage of it. Lots of voters there.

It's a much easier sell than the eat-your-vegetables message of conservatism, and conservatives had better improve their messaging before it's too late.

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That's why we need someone who can effectively convey the timeless principles of Conservatism.

Actually what we need is MORE counter balance to the MSM!
What good is espousing conservative, logical rational principles if the majority of Americans get their information from sources that

1) Gave 85% donations to Democrats..
1,160 (85%) of the Senior executives, on-air personalities, producers, reporters, editors, writers and other self-identifying employees of ABC, CBS and NBC contributed more than $1 million to Democrats candidates and campaign committees in 2008, according to an analysis by The Examiner of data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics.
An average contribution of $880.
Obama, Democrats got 88 percent of 2008 contributions by TV network execs, writers, reporters | The Daily Caller

2) and our children being taught by people belong to labor unions that give:

— According to the New York Times, Big Labor spent nearly $450 million in the 2008 elections electing Obama and the Democrats.
— According to the Wall Street Journal, three of the top five spending political groups in the 2010 midterms were labor unions.
— According to the AP, one union alone, the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, spent $93 million on the 2010 elections.
This isn’t often reported in the mainstream media — mainly because labor unions don’t disclose much of what they do to the FEC. Opensecrets.org and Politifact, groups often cited by major news organizations on campaign-finance issues, only measure political spending in terms of the TV and radio ads that are reported to the FEC.
Who?s the Biggest ?Outside Group? in the 2012 Elections? Big Labor | National Review Online

So if the continue existence of forums like these tea party organizations grow even though they are thwarted by the Obama IRS..
THERE IS HOPE that logic, rational thought legislation for the RULE rather then the EXCEPTION take place with a thoughtful compassionate conservative influence!!

 

[Mac1958]

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There are many whose romantic notion of We The People working together as a collective community is so ingrained in them, that they're more than willing to forgive the bloat, sloth, waste, corruption and intergenerational dependency that are inherent in an ever-increasing government.

Their passion makes them effective communicators of this romantic vision, because it does more than attract like-minded people - it attracts those who are jealous of the success of others, those who are simply too lazy to put out the effort required of any level of success, and those who want to game the system. So there are those who are sincere about this romantic notion, and those who want to take advantage of it. Lots of voters there.

It's a much easier sell than the eat-your-vegetables message of conservatism, and conservatives had better improve their messaging before it's too late.

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That's why we need someone who can effectively convey the timeless principles of Conservatism.

Actually what we need is MORE counter balance to the MSM!
What good is espousing conservative, logical rational principles if the majority of Americans get their information from sources that

1) Gave 85% donations to Democrats..
1,160 (85%) of the Senior executives, on-air personalities, producers, reporters, editors, writers and other self-identifying employees of ABC, CBS and NBC contributed more than $1 million to Democrats candidates and campaign committees in 2008, according to an analysis by The Examiner of data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics.
An average contribution of $880.
Obama, Democrats got 88 percent of 2008 contributions by TV network execs, writers, reporters | The Daily Caller

2) and our children being taught by people belong to labor unions that give:

— According to the New York Times, Big Labor spent nearly $450 million in the 2008 elections electing Obama and the Democrats.
— According to the Wall Street Journal, three of the top five spending political groups in the 2010 midterms were labor unions.
— According to the AP, one union alone, the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, spent $93 million on the 2010 elections.
This isn’t often reported in the mainstream media — mainly because labor unions don’t disclose much of what they do to the FEC. Opensecrets.org and Politifact, groups often cited by major news organizations on campaign-finance issues, only measure political spending in terms of the TV and radio ads that are reported to the FEC.
Who?s the Biggest ?Outside Group? in the 2012 Elections? Big Labor | National Review Online

So if the continue existence of forums like these tea party organizations grow even though they are thwarted by the Obama IRS..
THERE IS HOPE that logic, rational thought legislation for the RULE rather then the EXCEPTION take place with a thoughtful compassionate conservative influence!!

That may be true, but that doesn't forgive the GOP's lousy messaging.

They can do more than one thing at a time.

The party had better get to multi-tasking pretty soon.

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[jasonnfree]

As for me, I don't buy any of that.

First, I'm not talking about Democrats, lies, voter fraud or anything like it. I'm talking about messaging, image. Like it or not -- and I know conservatives fight this -- in this country at this time, image plays a larger and larger role. The Democrats understand this; the Republicans do not.

And yes, while the media is generally against you, they still interview Republicans all the time, even MSNBC. An interview is your opportunity, it does not allow you to be misquoted or quoted out of context, yet we still don't hear a clear and coherent message.

The fight over Obamacare was a perfect example. Supposedly, the GOP had "plans" that no one knew about. Where the **** was it? Why wasn't it printed in a little red, white and blue booklet with a catchy little name and waived at the teevee cameras at every freaking opportunity no matter what the freaking interview was about? Would that really have been so difficult? Is a little organization that tough? And now we're stuck with this ACA pig, and the GOP is just as much to blame for it as the Dems.

It's about image, messaging. Then, yeah, you have to find the messengers. The clock is ticking, and it's just not happening. Forget about the Democrats and concentrate on your own house.

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Of course the GOP had plans for improving the healthcare system such as tort reform, pre-existing condition coverage, and inter-state purchasing.

The MSM is lopsided and biased in it's political coverage to benefit liberals.

You obviously were not aware of what the GOP was trying to do to fix healthcare coverage due to your shielding yourself from the facts.

How did the GOP plan to deal with the problem of getting insurance with a pre-existing condition?

Don't get sick?

 

[birddog]

Of course the GOP had plans for improving the healthcare system such as tort reform, pre-existing condition coverage, and inter-state purchasing.

The MSM is lopsided and biased in it's political coverage to benefit liberals.

You obviously were not aware of what the GOP was trying to do to fix healthcare coverage due to your shielding yourself from the facts.

How did the GOP plan to deal with the problem of getting insurance with a pre-existing condition?

Don't get sick?

I don't remember the GOP's plans for that, but I think they were wanting to include in a bill incentives for insurance companies to include more people with pre-existing. Also, many states already have plans for people with pre-existing. It's called CHIP here in Illinois. It's expensive but still less expensive than some of the Obamacare crap!

 

[Kosh]

I was proud of Reagan being a labor union president.

I guess you equally as proud of Obama driving the finishing nails in the union coffins with Obamacare.

 

[Kosh]

That's why we need someone who can effectively convey the timeless principles of Conservatism.

Actually what we need is MORE counter balance to the MSM!
What good is espousing conservative, logical rational principles if the majority of Americans get their information from sources that

1) Gave 85% donations to Democrats..
1,160 (85%) of the Senior executives, on-air personalities, producers, reporters, editors, writers and other self-identifying employees of ABC, CBS and NBC contributed more than $1 million to Democrats candidates and campaign committees in 2008, according to an analysis by The Examiner of data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics.
An average contribution of $880.
Obama, Democrats got 88 percent of 2008 contributions by TV network execs, writers, reporters | The Daily Caller

2) and our children being taught by people belong to labor unions that give:

— According to the New York Times, Big Labor spent nearly $450 million in the 2008 elections electing Obama and the Democrats.
— According to the Wall Street Journal, three of the top five spending political groups in the 2010 midterms were labor unions.
— According to the AP, one union alone, the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, spent $93 million on the 2010 elections.
This isn’t often reported in the mainstream media — mainly because labor unions don’t disclose much of what they do to the FEC. Opensecrets.org and Politifact, groups often cited by major news organizations on campaign-finance issues, only measure political spending in terms of the TV and radio ads that are reported to the FEC.
Who?s the Biggest ?Outside Group? in the 2012 Elections? Big Labor | National Review Online

So if the continue existence of forums like these tea party organizations grow even though they are thwarted by the Obama IRS..
THERE IS HOPE that logic, rational thought legislation for the RULE rather then the EXCEPTION take place with a thoughtful compassionate conservative influence!!

That may be true, but that doesn't forgive the GOP's lousy messaging.

They can do more than one thing at a time.

The party had better get to multi-tasking pretty soon.

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Does not matter the message if over 80% of the so called "news" ignores it.

 

[KGB]

Reagan was all talk.

He may have blathered about government being the problem, but he increased defense spending, saved Social Security, and increased Medicaid,

three of the biggest government programs in the budget.

Oh, and he ballooned the debt, thus increasing spending on the interest on the debt, and that happens to be one of our biggest government spending programs itself.

Reagan increased defense spending to bankrupt the Soviet Union & to win the Cold War.

 

[RKMBrown]

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There are many whose romantic notion of We The People working together as a collective community is so ingrained in them, that they're more than willing to forgive the bloat, sloth, waste, corruption and intergenerational dependency that are inherent in an ever-increasing government.

Their passion makes them effective communicators of this romantic vision, because it does more than attract like-minded people - it attracts those who are jealous of the success of others, those who are simply too lazy to put out the effort required of any level of success, and those who want to game the system. So there are those who are sincere about this romantic notion, and those who want to take advantage of it. Lots of voters there.

It's a much easier sell than the eat-your-vegetables message of conservatism, and conservatives had better improve their messaging before it's too late.

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That's why we need someone who can effectively convey the timeless principles of Conservatism.

Yeah, the party simply does not have an effective messenger right now, and I can't think of one over the last couple of decades. This may very well be one of the reasons for our consistent slide to the left.

I don't agree with you guys on several issues, but what I'm watching right now is a lopsided fight. I don't understand why it's so difficult to find some decent messengers. The lefties will say it's the message itself, fine. But we'll never know for sure until and unless you have a real, dynamic spokesperson or two.

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Rubio's pretty good. Not Reagan polished but good nonetheless.

 

[Mac1958]

Actually what we need is MORE counter balance to the MSM!
What good is espousing conservative, logical rational principles if the majority of Americans get their information from sources that

1) Gave 85% donations to Democrats..
1,160 (85%) of the Senior executives, on-air personalities, producers, reporters, editors, writers and other self-identifying employees of ABC, CBS and NBC contributed more than $1 million to Democrats candidates and campaign committees in 2008, according to an analysis by The Examiner of data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics.
An average contribution of $880.
Obama, Democrats got 88 percent of 2008 contributions by TV network execs, writers, reporters | The Daily Caller

2) and our children being taught by people belong to labor unions that give:

— According to the New York Times, Big Labor spent nearly $450 million in the 2008 elections electing Obama and the Democrats.
— According to the Wall Street Journal, three of the top five spending political groups in the 2010 midterms were labor unions.
— According to the AP, one union alone, the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, spent $93 million on the 2010 elections.
This isn’t often reported in the mainstream media — mainly because labor unions don’t disclose much of what they do to the FEC. Opensecrets.org and Politifact, groups often cited by major news organizations on campaign-finance issues, only measure political spending in terms of the TV and radio ads that are reported to the FEC.
Who?s the Biggest ?Outside Group? in the 2012 Elections? Big Labor | National Review Online

So if the continue existence of forums like these tea party organizations grow even though they are thwarted by the Obama IRS..
THERE IS HOPE that logic, rational thought legislation for the RULE rather then the EXCEPTION take place with a thoughtful compassionate conservative influence!!

That may be true, but that doesn't forgive the GOP's lousy messaging.

They can do more than one thing at a time.

The party had better get to multi-tasking pretty soon.

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Does not matter the message if over 80% of the so called "news" ignores it.

Nope. As I said in post 9 of this thread:

The fight over Obamacare was a perfect example. Supposedly, the GOP had "plans" that no one knew about. Where the **** was it? Why wasn't it printed in a little red, white and blue booklet with a catchy little name and waived at the teevee cameras at every freaking opportunity no matter what the freaking interview was about? Would that really have been so difficult? Is a little organization that tough? And now we're stuck with this ACA pig, and the GOP is just as much to blame for it as the Dems.

The GOP is making virtually no effort to improve their messaging. Maybe it's just given up, choosing instead the truly inspirational "they're even worse than we are" approach.

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