Raw milk can be dangerous

[rawmilkmike]

My two brothers and I caught Undulant fever from raw milk, it nearly killed my younger brother.
Undulant fever definition - Medical Dictionary Definitions of Popular Terms Defined on MedTerms

What makes you think it was caused by raw milk. Was raw milk your only food? Was it you only exposure risk?

@rawmilkmike
I live in the UK. Undulant fever then was classified as a "notifiable disease" which meant department of health specialist descended on us.This was 55yrs ago and we had milk delivered from our local farm only.The Department of Health came to a very factual conclusion that it was the milk that infected us and six other neighbours kids.

Was raw milk your only food? Was it your only exposure risk? 55yrs ago did you really have raw milk delivered from your local farm? What facts could have supported such a conclusion? Even today such accusations are not supported by the facts. Currently all 50 states, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands are brucellosis Class Free.

 

[rawmilkmike]

Raw milk actually increases likelihood of allergies.

This is not hyperbole. It is an outright lie. Pasteurized milk is the one that “increases the likelihood of allergies.” And there is a scientific basis for this statement.

no, there isn't.

“Researchers have determined that drinking pasteurized, homogenized cow’s milk while breastfeeding significantly increases the chances of the infant becoming allergic.

Medical researchers from Bangkok’s Mahidol University tested and followed 62 mothers and their infants through four months of age.”

Drinking Cow s Milk while Breastfeeding Increases Risk of Baby s Allergies R.E.A.L. Natural

 

[rawmilkmike]

raw milk kills infants. undeniable fact.

That's a new one. Where's your proof? The CDC doesn't have any documented deaths from raw milk.

"While many raw milk advocates say it has inherent nutritional advantages and even helps cure or ease the symptoms of ailments such as asthma and various allergies, most food-safety experts discount those claims as anecdotal, saying they’re not based on science. They also warn of the serious risks to human health associated with drinking milk that hasn’t been pasteurized."

A Mom and a Dairyman Plead Don t Feed Children Raw Milk Food Safety News

Oh..and incidentally...

"Campylobacter is common in the developing world, and travelers to foreign countries are at risk for becoming infected with Campylobacter. Approximately one-fifth (19%) of Campylobacter cases identified in FoodNet are associated with international travel."

CDC - Campylobacter General Information - NCZVED
Don't buy raw milk from people who hire undocumenteds. It's just another illness like tb that you are more likely to catch if you do.

koshergrl says: “raw milk kills infants. undeniable fact.”


rawmilkmike says: “That's a new one. Where's your proof? The CDC doesn't have any documented deaths from raw milk.”


koshergrl is speechless.

From 1998 through 2011, 148 outbreaks due to consumption of raw milk or raw milk products were reported to CDC. These resulted in 2,384 illnesses, 284 hospitalizations, and 2 deaths.

CDC - Raw Milk Questions and Answers - Food Safety

The impact of pasteurized milk on public health was nothing short of astounding. In 1885 the infant mortality rate in New York City was 273 per 1,000 live births -more than 27%. By 1915 the infant mortality rate was 94 per 1,000, a drop of two-thirds.

The Fight for Safe Milk Pasteurization - Neatorama

It says “raw milk or raw milk products” The two deaths were associated with cheese not milk.

Infant mortality was normally high among immigrants. Have you read some of the concoctions fed to infants back then? There is no evidence that it was ever caused by raw milk. Lack of raw milk maybe.

 

[rawmilkmike]

Oh my...how timely is this:

"More than 30 Lynn Community Health Center employees and 800 patients are being tested to determine if they were exposed to tuberculosis after center doctors confirmed a case.
Center Director Lori Berry says after confirming the single positive test for tuberculosis in a male health care worker around Labor Day, center medical workers contacted and tested employees as well as patients ‘‘having sufficient exposure to warrant testing.’’

Hundreds tested for TB in Lynn - Health - Boston.com

And where did the worker get it?

From serving immigrants.

"Male and female immigrants had, respectively, 3.4 and 2.5 years longer life expectancy than the US-born. Compared to their US-born counterparts, black immigrant men and women had, respectively, 9.4 and 7.8 years longer life expectancy, but Chinese, Japanese, and Filipino immigrants had lower life expectancy. Most immigrant groups had lower risks of infant mortality and low birthweight than the US-born. Consistent with the acculturation hypothesis, immigrants' risks of disability and chronic disease morbidity increased with increasing length of residence."

Health life expectancy and mor... Can J Public Health. 2004 May-Jun - PubMed - NCBI

 

[gallantwarrior]

raw milk, good stuff, I have drunk gallons of it, gallons and gallons as a kid. I liked the inch of cream on the top.

Cow's milk! I have goats and the cream (fat) component is more finely distributed, rather like naturally homogenized, very little cream on top. Just as delicious...and healthy, raw goat's milk.

 

[elektra]

raw milk, good stuff, I have drunk gallons of it, gallons and gallons as a kid. I liked the inch of cream on the top.

Cow's milk! I have goats and the cream (fat) component is more finely distributed, rather like naturally homogenized, very little cream on top. Just as delicious...and healthy, raw goat's milk.

all cream is healthy

 

[ogibillm]

raw milk kills infants. undeniable fact.

That's a new one. Where's your proof? The CDC doesn't have any documented deaths from raw milk.

"While many raw milk advocates say it has inherent nutritional advantages and even helps cure or ease the symptoms of ailments such as asthma and various allergies, most food-safety experts discount those claims as anecdotal, saying they’re not based on science. They also warn of the serious risks to human health associated with drinking milk that hasn’t been pasteurized."

A Mom and a Dairyman Plead Don t Feed Children Raw Milk Food Safety News

Oh..and incidentally...

"Campylobacter is common in the developing world, and travelers to foreign countries are at risk for becoming infected with Campylobacter. Approximately one-fifth (19%) of Campylobacter cases identified in FoodNet are associated with international travel."

CDC - Campylobacter General Information - NCZVED
Don't buy raw milk from people who hire undocumenteds. It's just another illness like tb that you are more likely to catch if you do.

koshergrl says: “raw milk kills infants. undeniable fact.”


rawmilkmike says: “That's a new one. Where's your proof? The CDC doesn't have any documented deaths from raw milk.”


koshergrl is speechless.

From 1998 through 2011, 148 outbreaks due to consumption of raw milk or raw milk products were reported to CDC. These resulted in 2,384 illnesses, 284 hospitalizations, and 2 deaths.

CDC - Raw Milk Questions and Answers - Food Safety

The impact of pasteurized milk on public health was nothing short of astounding. In 1885 the infant mortality rate in New York City was 273 per 1,000 live births -more than 27%. By 1915 the infant mortality rate was 94 per 1,000, a drop of two-thirds.

The Fight for Safe Milk Pasteurization - Neatorama

It says “raw milk or raw milk products” The two deaths were associated with cheese not milk.

Infant mortality was normally high among immigrants. Have you read some of the concoctions fed to infants back then? There is no evidence that it was ever caused by raw milk. Lack of raw milk maybe.

so just what in the hell changed, other than pasteurization, that caused the dramatic decrease in infant mortality? nothing. nothing that can account for that change except kids stopped getting raw milk.

you want to be an idiot and drink raw milk, go ahead.

just stop lying to people and saying it's safe. it's not. it's dangerous. it can kill. pretending otherwise is ignorant and flies in the face of science.

 

[ogibillm]

Raw milk actually increases likelihood of allergies.

This is not hyperbole. It is an outright lie. Pasteurized milk is the one that “increases the likelihood of allergies.” And there is a scientific basis for this statement.

no, there isn't.

“Researchers have determined that drinking pasteurized, homogenized cow’s milk while breastfeeding significantly increases the chances of the infant becoming allergic.

Medical researchers from Bangkok’s Mahidol University tested and followed 62 mothers and their infants through four months of age.”

Drinking Cow s Milk while Breastfeeding Increases Risk of Baby s Allergies R.E.A.L. Natural

your studies are damning of all cow's milk. there is no basis to believe there is or would be any difference between using unpasteurized and pasteurized cow's milk.

there is plenty of reason to believe that using raw milk would introduce the mother and child to all kinds of nasty bacteria though.

 

[rawmilkmike]

raw milk kills infants. undeniable fact.

That's a new one. Where's your proof? The CDC doesn't have any documented deaths from raw milk.

"While many raw milk advocates say it has inherent nutritional advantages and even helps cure or ease the symptoms of ailments such as asthma and various allergies, most food-safety experts discount those claims as anecdotal, saying they’re not based on science. They also warn of the serious risks to human health associated with drinking milk that hasn’t been pasteurized."

A Mom and a Dairyman Plead Don t Feed Children Raw Milk Food Safety News

Oh..and incidentally...

"Campylobacter is common in the developing world, and travelers to foreign countries are at risk for becoming infected with Campylobacter. Approximately one-fifth (19%) of Campylobacter cases identified in FoodNet are associated with international travel."

CDC - Campylobacter General Information - NCZVED
Don't buy raw milk from people who hire undocumenteds. It's just another illness like tb that you are more likely to catch if you do.

koshergrl says: “raw milk kills infants. undeniable fact.”


rawmilkmike says: “That's a new one. Where's your proof? The CDC doesn't have any documented deaths from raw milk.”


koshergrl is speechless.

From 1998 through 2011, 148 outbreaks due to consumption of raw milk or raw milk products were reported to CDC. These resulted in 2,384 illnesses, 284 hospitalizations, and 2 deaths.

CDC - Raw Milk Questions and Answers - Food Safety

The impact of pasteurized milk on public health was nothing short of astounding. In 1885 the infant mortality rate in New York City was 273 per 1,000 live births -more than 27%. By 1915 the infant mortality rate was 94 per 1,000, a drop of two-thirds.

The Fight for Safe Milk Pasteurization - Neatorama

It says “raw milk or raw milk products” The two deaths were associated with cheese not milk.

Infant mortality was normally high among immigrants. Have you read some of the concoctions fed to infants back then? There is no evidence that it was ever caused by raw milk. Lack of raw milk maybe.

so just what in the hell changed, other than pasteurization, that caused the dramatic decrease in infant mortality? nothing. nothing that can account for that change except kids stopped getting raw milk.

you want to be an idiot and drink raw milk, go ahead.

just stop lying to people and saying it's safe. it's not. it's dangerous. it can kill. pretending otherwise is ignorant and flies in the face of science.

What science? Between the CDC, FDA, AMA, and yourself if you had any proof you would have produced it by now. There are millions of Americans that KNOW the truth.

 

[ogibillm]

raw milk kills infants. undeniable fact.

That's a new one. Where's your proof? The CDC doesn't have any documented deaths from raw milk.

"While many raw milk advocates say it has inherent nutritional advantages and even helps cure or ease the symptoms of ailments such as asthma and various allergies, most food-safety experts discount those claims as anecdotal, saying they’re not based on science. They also warn of the serious risks to human health associated with drinking milk that hasn’t been pasteurized."

A Mom and a Dairyman Plead Don t Feed Children Raw Milk Food Safety News

Oh..and incidentally...

"Campylobacter is common in the developing world, and travelers to foreign countries are at risk for becoming infected with Campylobacter. Approximately one-fifth (19%) of Campylobacter cases identified in FoodNet are associated with international travel."

CDC - Campylobacter General Information - NCZVED
Don't buy raw milk from people who hire undocumenteds. It's just another illness like tb that you are more likely to catch if you do.

koshergrl says: “raw milk kills infants. undeniable fact.”


rawmilkmike says: “That's a new one. Where's your proof? The CDC doesn't have any documented deaths from raw milk.”


koshergrl is speechless.

From 1998 through 2011, 148 outbreaks due to consumption of raw milk or raw milk products were reported to CDC. These resulted in 2,384 illnesses, 284 hospitalizations, and 2 deaths.

CDC - Raw Milk Questions and Answers - Food Safety

The impact of pasteurized milk on public health was nothing short of astounding. In 1885 the infant mortality rate in New York City was 273 per 1,000 live births -more than 27%. By 1915 the infant mortality rate was 94 per 1,000, a drop of two-thirds.

The Fight for Safe Milk Pasteurization - Neatorama

It says “raw milk or raw milk products” The two deaths were associated with cheese not milk.

Infant mortality was normally high among immigrants. Have you read some of the concoctions fed to infants back then? There is no evidence that it was ever caused by raw milk. Lack of raw milk maybe.

so just what in the hell changed, other than pasteurization, that caused the dramatic decrease in infant mortality? nothing. nothing that can account for that change except kids stopped getting raw milk.

you want to be an idiot and drink raw milk, go ahead.

just stop lying to people and saying it's safe. it's not. it's dangerous. it can kill. pretending otherwise is ignorant and flies in the face of science.

What science? Between the CDC, FDA, AMA, and yourself if you had any proof you would have produced it by now. There are millions of Americans that KNOW the truth.

there are millions of americans that know the truth.
you just aren't one of them.

those of us with brains in our heads only drink safe milk.

the science is settled. raw milk carries diseases. pasteurizing the milk kills the bacteria, making the milk safer.

that's the science. do you have any science to dispute that very basic fact?

 

[rawmilkmike]

Raw milk actually increases likelihood of allergies.

This is not hyperbole. It is an outright lie. Pasteurized milk is the one that “increases the likelihood of allergies.” And there is a scientific basis for this statement.

no, there isn't.

“Researchers have determined that drinking pasteurized, homogenized cow’s milk while breastfeeding significantly increases the chances of the infant becoming allergic.

Medical researchers from Bangkok’s Mahidol University tested and followed 62 mothers and their infants through four months of age.”

Drinking Cow s Milk while Breastfeeding Increases Risk of Baby s Allergies R.E.A.L. Natural

your studies are damning of all cow's milk. there is no basis to believe there is or would be any difference between using unpasteurized and pasteurized cow's milk.

there is plenty of reason to believe that using raw milk would introduce the mother and child to all kinds of nasty bacteria though.

Raw milk and pasteurized milk are obviously two completely different things. Pasteurized milk is a semi-sterile growth medium and a toxic energy supplement. Raw milk is a super-food, super safe and super nutritious. There is certainly a “basis to believe” this, you simply chose to ignore it because it competes with your product. What is your product by the way?

Raw human breast-milk is much more likely to be contaminated with the very same so called pathogens as raw cows milk yet WHO and the AAP both say it is the best food for babies and never claim it to be unsafe or contaminated with deadly pathogens.

If you suffer from any of the ailments claimed to be cured be raw milk you'd be a fool not to try it. Even if all of the negative accusations from the pharmaceutical and processed food industries were true. Think about the alternatives.

 

[ogibillm]

Raw milk actually increases likelihood of allergies.

This is not hyperbole. It is an outright lie. Pasteurized milk is the one that “increases the likelihood of allergies.” And there is a scientific basis for this statement.

no, there isn't.

“Researchers have determined that drinking pasteurized, homogenized cow’s milk while breastfeeding significantly increases the chances of the infant becoming allergic.

Medical researchers from Bangkok’s Mahidol University tested and followed 62 mothers and their infants through four months of age.”

Drinking Cow s Milk while Breastfeeding Increases Risk of Baby s Allergies R.E.A.L. Natural

your studies are damning of all cow's milk. there is no basis to believe there is or would be any difference between using unpasteurized and pasteurized cow's milk.

there is plenty of reason to believe that using raw milk would introduce the mother and child to all kinds of nasty bacteria though.

Raw milk and pasteurized milk are obviously two completely different things. Pasteurized milk is a semi-sterile growth medium and a toxic energy supplement. Raw milk is a super-food, super safe and super nutritious. There is certainly a “basis to believe” this, you simply chose to ignore it because it competes with your product. What is your product by the way?

Raw human breast-milk is much more likely to be contaminated with the very same so called pathogens as raw cows milk yet WHO and the AAP both say it is the best food for babies and never claim it to be unsafe or contaminated with deadly pathogens.

If you suffer from any of the ailments claimed to be cured be raw milk you'd be a fool not to try it. Even if all of the negative accusations from the pharmaceutical and processed food industries were true. Think about the alternatives.

you don't understand what science is, do you?

 

[rawmilkmike]

raw milk kills infants. undeniable fact.

That's a new one. Where's your proof? The CDC doesn't have any documented deaths from raw milk.

"While many raw milk advocates say it has inherent nutritional advantages and even helps cure or ease the symptoms of ailments such as asthma and various allergies, most food-safety experts discount those claims as anecdotal, saying they’re not based on science. They also warn of the serious risks to human health associated with drinking milk that hasn’t been pasteurized."

A Mom and a Dairyman Plead Don t Feed Children Raw Milk Food Safety News

Oh..and incidentally...

"Campylobacter is common in the developing world, and travelers to foreign countries are at risk for becoming infected with Campylobacter. Approximately one-fifth (19%) of Campylobacter cases identified in FoodNet are associated with international travel."

CDC - Campylobacter General Information - NCZVED
Don't buy raw milk from people who hire undocumenteds. It's just another illness like tb that you are more likely to catch if you do.

koshergrl says: “raw milk kills infants. undeniable fact.”


rawmilkmike says: “That's a new one. Where's your proof? The CDC doesn't have any documented deaths from raw milk.”


koshergrl is speechless.

From 1998 through 2011, 148 outbreaks due to consumption of raw milk or raw milk products were reported to CDC. These resulted in 2,384 illnesses, 284 hospitalizations, and 2 deaths.

CDC - Raw Milk Questions and Answers - Food Safety

The impact of pasteurized milk on public health was nothing short of astounding. In 1885 the infant mortality rate in New York City was 273 per 1,000 live births -more than 27%. By 1915 the infant mortality rate was 94 per 1,000, a drop of two-thirds.

The Fight for Safe Milk Pasteurization - Neatorama

It says “raw milk or raw milk products” The two deaths were associated with cheese not milk.

Infant mortality was normally high among immigrants. Have you read some of the concoctions fed to infants back then? There is no evidence that it was ever caused by raw milk. Lack of raw milk maybe.

so just what in the hell changed, other than pasteurization, that caused the dramatic decrease in infant mortality? nothing. nothing that can account for that change except kids stopped getting raw milk.

you want to be an idiot and drink raw milk, go ahead.

just stop lying to people and saying it's safe. it's not. it's dangerous. it can kill. pretending otherwise is ignorant and flies in the face of science.

What science? Between the CDC, FDA, AMA, and yourself if you had any proof you would have produced it by now. There are millions of Americans that KNOW the truth.

there are millions of americans that know the truth.
you just aren't one of them.

those of us with brains in our heads only drink safe milk.

the science is settled. raw milk carries diseases. pasteurizing the milk kills the bacteria, making the milk safer.

that's the science. do you have any science to dispute that very basic fact?

ogibillm, you are the attacker, the accuser, the name caller, the one trying to force others to buy your product. The burden of proof is on you.

There is no one that knows your so called truth. Some may believe it. They don't know it. People that switch to raw milk KNOW it's safety and benefit and there are millions of us.

 

[ogibillm]

raw milk kills infants. undeniable fact.

That's a new one. Where's your proof? The CDC doesn't have any documented deaths from raw milk.

"While many raw milk advocates say it has inherent nutritional advantages and even helps cure or ease the symptoms of ailments such as asthma and various allergies, most food-safety experts discount those claims as anecdotal, saying they’re not based on science. They also warn of the serious risks to human health associated with drinking milk that hasn’t been pasteurized."

A Mom and a Dairyman Plead Don t Feed Children Raw Milk Food Safety News

Oh..and incidentally...

"Campylobacter is common in the developing world, and travelers to foreign countries are at risk for becoming infected with Campylobacter. Approximately one-fifth (19%) of Campylobacter cases identified in FoodNet are associated with international travel."

CDC - Campylobacter General Information - NCZVED
Don't buy raw milk from people who hire undocumenteds. It's just another illness like tb that you are more likely to catch if you do.

koshergrl says: “raw milk kills infants. undeniable fact.”


rawmilkmike says: “That's a new one. Where's your proof? The CDC doesn't have any documented deaths from raw milk.”


koshergrl is speechless.

From 1998 through 2011, 148 outbreaks due to consumption of raw milk or raw milk products were reported to CDC. These resulted in 2,384 illnesses, 284 hospitalizations, and 2 deaths.

CDC - Raw Milk Questions and Answers - Food Safety

The impact of pasteurized milk on public health was nothing short of astounding. In 1885 the infant mortality rate in New York City was 273 per 1,000 live births -more than 27%. By 1915 the infant mortality rate was 94 per 1,000, a drop of two-thirds.

The Fight for Safe Milk Pasteurization - Neatorama

It says “raw milk or raw milk products” The two deaths were associated with cheese not milk.

Infant mortality was normally high among immigrants. Have you read some of the concoctions fed to infants back then? There is no evidence that it was ever caused by raw milk. Lack of raw milk maybe.

so just what in the hell changed, other than pasteurization, that caused the dramatic decrease in infant mortality? nothing. nothing that can account for that change except kids stopped getting raw milk.

you want to be an idiot and drink raw milk, go ahead.

just stop lying to people and saying it's safe. it's not. it's dangerous. it can kill. pretending otherwise is ignorant and flies in the face of science.

What science? Between the CDC, FDA, AMA, and yourself if you had any proof you would have produced it by now. There are millions of Americans that KNOW the truth.

there are millions of americans that know the truth.
you just aren't one of them.

those of us with brains in our heads only drink safe milk.

the science is settled. raw milk carries diseases. pasteurizing the milk kills the bacteria, making the milk safer.

that's the science. do you have any science to dispute that very basic fact?

ogibillm, you are the attacker, the accuser, the name caller, the one trying to force others to buy your product. The burden of proof is yours.

and i've proven it. pasteurization kills harmful bacteria.
potentially life threatening illnesses are carried by raw milk.
pasteurization reduced the infant mortality rate.

none of these facts are in dispute, but you still want to claim that raw milk is safe despite all the science saying otherwise.

 

[rawmilkmike]

Raw milk actually increases likelihood of allergies.

This is not hyperbole. It is an outright lie. Pasteurized milk is the one that “increases the likelihood of allergies.” And there is a scientific basis for this statement.

no, there isn't.

“Researchers have determined that drinking pasteurized, homogenized cow’s milk while breastfeeding significantly increases the chances of the infant becoming allergic.

Medical researchers from Bangkok’s Mahidol University tested and followed 62 mothers and their infants through four months of age.”

Drinking Cow s Milk while Breastfeeding Increases Risk of Baby s Allergies R.E.A.L. Natural

your studies are damning of all cow's milk. there is no basis to believe there is or would be any difference between using unpasteurized and pasteurized cow's milk.

there is plenty of reason to believe that using raw milk would introduce the mother and child to all kinds of nasty bacteria though.

Raw milk and pasteurized milk are obviously two completely different things. Pasteurized milk is a semi-sterile growth medium and a toxic energy supplement. Raw milk is a super-food, super safe and super nutritious. There is certainly a “basis to believe” this, you simply chose to ignore it because it competes with your product. What is your product by the way?

Raw human breast-milk is much more likely to be contaminated with the very same so called pathogens as raw cows milk yet WHO and the AAP both say it is the best food for babies and never claim it to be unsafe or contaminated with deadly pathogens.

If you suffer from any of the ailments claimed to be cured be raw milk you'd be a fool not to try it. Even if all of the negative accusations from the pharmaceutical and processed food industries were true. Think about the alternatives.

you don't understand what science is, do you?

I'll take that as a yes then.

If you want to site some empirical evidence to back up you accusations go right ahead. Science is based on actual research not the lack of it. Unless you are referring to pseudoscience.

 

[rawmilkmike]

raw milk kills infants. undeniable fact.

That's a new one. Where's your proof? The CDC doesn't have any documented deaths from raw milk.

"While many raw milk advocates say it has inherent nutritional advantages and even helps cure or ease the symptoms of ailments such as asthma and various allergies, most food-safety experts discount those claims as anecdotal, saying they’re not based on science. They also warn of the serious risks to human health associated with drinking milk that hasn’t been pasteurized."

A Mom and a Dairyman Plead Don t Feed Children Raw Milk Food Safety News

Oh..and incidentally...

"Campylobacter is common in the developing world, and travelers to foreign countries are at risk for becoming infected with Campylobacter. Approximately one-fifth (19%) of Campylobacter cases identified in FoodNet are associated with international travel."

CDC - Campylobacter General Information - NCZVED
Don't buy raw milk from people who hire undocumenteds. It's just another illness like tb that you are more likely to catch if you do.

koshergrl says: “raw milk kills infants. undeniable fact.”


rawmilkmike says: “That's a new one. Where's your proof? The CDC doesn't have any documented deaths from raw milk.”


koshergrl is speechless.

From 1998 through 2011, 148 outbreaks due to consumption of raw milk or raw milk products were reported to CDC. These resulted in 2,384 illnesses, 284 hospitalizations, and 2 deaths.

CDC - Raw Milk Questions and Answers - Food Safety

The impact of pasteurized milk on public health was nothing short of astounding. In 1885 the infant mortality rate in New York City was 273 per 1,000 live births -more than 27%. By 1915 the infant mortality rate was 94 per 1,000, a drop of two-thirds.

The Fight for Safe Milk Pasteurization - Neatorama

It says “raw milk or raw milk products” The two deaths were associated with cheese not milk.

Infant mortality was normally high among immigrants. Have you read some of the concoctions fed to infants back then? There is no evidence that it was ever caused by raw milk. Lack of raw milk maybe.

so just what in the hell changed, other than pasteurization, that caused the dramatic decrease in infant mortality? nothing. nothing that can account for that change except kids stopped getting raw milk.

you want to be an idiot and drink raw milk, go ahead.

just stop lying to people and saying it's safe. it's not. it's dangerous. it can kill. pretending otherwise is ignorant and flies in the face of science.

What science? Between the CDC, FDA, AMA, and yourself if you had any proof you would have produced it by now. There are millions of Americans that KNOW the truth.

there are millions of americans that know the truth.
you just aren't one of them.

those of us with brains in our heads only drink safe milk.

the science is settled. raw milk carries diseases. pasteurizing the milk kills the bacteria, making the milk safer.

that's the science. do you have any science to dispute that very basic fact?

ogibillm, you are the attacker, the accuser, the name caller, the one trying to force others to buy your product. The burden of proof is yours.

and i've proven it. pasteurization kills harmful bacteria.
potentially life threatening illnesses are carried by raw milk.
pasteurization reduced the infant mortality rate.

none of these facts are in dispute, but you still want to claim that raw milk is safe despite all the science saying otherwise.

and i've proven it. pasteurization kills some bacteria.
potentially life threatening illnesses are carried by some bacteria.
pasteurization increases infant mortality.

none of these facts are in dispute, but you still want to claim that pasteurized milk is safe despite all the science saying otherwise.

study shows that pasteurization adversely affects the antibacterial properties of raw milk.
Impact of pasteurization on the antibacterial ... Eur J Pediatr. 2012 - PubMed - NCBI

 

[koshergrl]

Hmmm..let's weigh the benefits of the dubious antibacterial properties of raw milk..against the potential of deadly (and various) milk-borne illnesses.

 

[ogibillm]

study shows that pasteurization adversely affects the antibacterial properties of raw milk.
Impact of pasteurization on the antibacterial ... Eur J Pediatr. 2012 - PubMed - NCBI

you're really wanting to make a comparison between a mother's milk for her child and milk from a dairy?

your article does not mention cow's milk at all. do you have a study that involves cow's milk?

 

[rawmilkmike]

Hmmm..let's weigh the benefits of the dubious antibacterial properties of raw milk..against the potential of deadly (and various) milk-borne illnesses.

So, the first time we are looking at an actual scientific study from a government website you call it dubious but we should take your misinterpretations of unsubstantiated inferences by raw milks competitors as fact?

 

[rawmilkmike]

study shows that pasteurization adversely affects the antibacterial properties of raw milk.
Impact of pasteurization on the antibacterial ... Eur J Pediatr. 2012 - PubMed - NCBI

you're really wanting to make a comparison between a mother's milk for her child and milk from a dairy?

your article does not mention cow's milk at all. do you have a study that involves cow's milk?

Of course, but I thought you'd be more likely to believe one of your own resent studies.

If pasteurization adversely affects the antibacterial properties of raw breast milk why wouldn't it do the same to raw cows milk?