Rand Paul introduces a Constitutional Amendment to end Birthright Citizenship

[Seymour Flops]

This is a pretty lame attempt for Rand Paul to rehabilitate himself ahead of his 2028 election.

I assure you, he will strongly support Vance or Rubio, or whoever it is until the election is over.

 

[JoeB131]

I doubt that.
You appear to have flunked English language comprehension while doing K-12 education.

The author of the article that you should read first, before making more of an idiot than you are.

I couldn't care less what some weird-bearded academic says.

You are born here, you are a citizen. It's clearly written into the Constitution, and that is how the courts have ruled for 125 years.

You guys are going to lose, because even SCOTUS won't go that far.

 

[JoeB131]

Under Section 5 of the Fourteenth Amendment, Congress has the power to define “by appropriate legislation” who is subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S.

Okay. So since the US has claimed jurisdiction over undocumented immigrants, any children born to them are still citizens.

This isn't complicated.

The issue of jurisdiction applied to diplomats (who have sovereign immunity) and Native American Tribes (which at that time, were considered independent nations within the US before we broke every treaty we made with them.)

 

[Seymour Flops]

Okay. So since the US has claimed jurisdiction over undocumented immigrants, any children born to them are still citizens.

This isn't complicated.

The issue of jurisdiction applied to diplomats (who have sovereign immunity) and Native American Tribes (which at that time, were considered independent nations within the US before we broke every treaty we made with them.)

When did the U.S. claim jurisdiction over undocumented immigrants?

 

[Stryder50]

I couldn't care less what some weird-bearded academic says.

You are born here, you are a citizen. It's clearly written into the Constitution, and that is how the courts have ruled for 125 years.

You guys are going to lose, because even SCOTUS won't go that far.

Sorry Komrade Joe but not so clearly written, which is why it went through courts once and will be going through again.
Failing a correct insight by the courts, then another Amendment to correct the vague wording of the 14th.

 

[Stryder50]

Okay. So since the US has claimed jurisdiction over undocumented immigrants, any children born to them are still citizens.

This isn't complicated.

The issue of jurisdiction applied to diplomats (who have sovereign immunity) and Native American Tribes (which at that time, were considered independent nations within the US before we broke every treaty we made with them.)

Don't try representing yourself in court, you are a louse at being a lawyer.

As presented here already, persons more expert than you and who were involved in the writing and passage of the original Amendment are on record that their use of the term "jurisdiction" co-relates to allegiance, as in nation of origin for initial citizenship purposes. In that context it is a separate concept from being required to comply with the laws of our nation, and being subject to legal consequences if one disobeys our laws. In the context of language used in the 14th, compliance with Laws is not the same as Jurisdiction.

Once they come to America, they are still under the Jurisdiction/allegiance of the nation they came from (originally born in). They only become USA citizens if they go through our Naturalization process successfully to become a citizen of USA, which requires them to renounce their Jurisdiction/allegiance to the original country. Children born to persons in this country who are alien, not of origin to the USA, but here from another country, those children will retain the citizenship/Jurisdiction of their parents.

We haven't broken every treaty we made with Native Americans, most are still in effect (hence Reservations, autonomous, etc.) but some tribes have petitioned for citizenship and had it granted.

You would do well to try and get some credibility by reducing your lying, distortions, disinformation and other pravda. However since you are an agent of enemies of the USA, your masters want you to continue your anti-USA propaganda, and other forms of treason.

I doubt we see you change your tune, but it is necessary to present counter-points to your pravda to spare readers your distortions and misinformation.

 

[Stryder50]

I couldn't care less what some weird-bearded academic says.

You are born here, you are a citizen. It's clearly written into the Constitution, and that is how the courts have ruled for 125 years.

You guys are going to lose, because even SCOTUS won't go that far.

The "weird-bearded academic" has more knowledge, experience, and credentials on this subject than you do.
For that matter you could be any form of phony, poser, fraud here since you don't provide any evidence or proof of who/what you are.

Your positions in posting suggest a loony Left wingnut that is a poor mouthpiece for Marxist and anti-USA propaganda and agitation.

BTW, how many years did the courts rule and uphold segregation?
"The Courts" are not always correct/right in their rulings,, which is why some eventually get reversed.

 

[JoeB131]

When did the U.S. claim jurisdiction over undocumented immigrants?

Every time they arrest one for a crime.

Or for even just being here.

If they had "no jurisdiction", they would be treated like foreign diplomats who have sovereign immunity.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Every time they arrest one for a crime.

Or for even just being here.

If they had "no jurisdiction", they would be treated like foreign diplomats who have sovereign immunity.

You mean they would be deported instead of tried for the crime? Exactly what Trump and his agencies try to do and get attacked for. Only difference is that the diplomat is declared "persona non grata" while the illegal alien is declared deportable.

It is the left that claims they want illegal aliens who commit further crimes to be given a jury trial and serve a sentence, instead of being deporrted.

Of course, in reality, the left wants them to get a very light sentence and be released back to the vulnerable community as soon as possible. A little honesty would be very refreshing.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Review the content of post #25 (which is an excerpt from the full article) and note the author is making the case that jurisdiction equals nation to which one owes allegiance (citizenship).
Hence one who still has allegiance to the nation they came from are under the jurisdiction of that country of their origin, not ours. Subject to the laws of a nation one is within is not the same as subject to jurisdiction as used in the 14th Amendment.

Well, except that author is wrong, and they are not a Supreme Court justice who makes those decisions.

 

[JoeB131]

You mean they would be deported instead of tried for the crime? Exactly what Trump and his agencies try to do and get attacked for. Only difference is that the diplomat is declared "persona non grata" while the illegal alien is declared deportable.

It is the left that claims they want illegal aliens who commit further crimes to be given a jury trial and serve a sentence, instead of being deporrted.

Of course, in reality, the left wants them to get a very light sentence and be released back to the vulnerable community as soon as possible. A little honesty would be very refreshing.

If an undocumented immigrant commits murder, we aren't going to just send him home. We are going to make him do hard time and THEN send him home.

As opposed to a diplomat, who would just be sent home because we have no jurisdiction.

Since the government claims LEGAL jurisdiction over immigrants and tourists, any babies they drop are citizens.

Because that's how the Constitution is written.

You lose.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Sorry Komrade Joe but not so clearly written, which is why it went through courts once and will be going through again.
Failing a correct insight by the courts, then another Amendment to correct the vague wording of the 14th.

That would be a correct insight requiring another amendment.

 

[Seymour Flops]

If an undocumented immigrant commits murder, we aren't going to just send him home. We are going to make him do hard time and THEN send him home.

Much safer to just send him home. There are too many political activists masquarading as prosecutors after being funded by Soros who will find a way to let him off with a light sentence.

Also, are you really unaware that there are blue jurisdictions that regularly refuse to cooperate when ICE has a detainer on an illegal alien criminal that they are about to release?

As opposed to a diplomat, who would just be sent home because we have no jurisdiction.

Since the government claims LEGAL jurisdiction over immigrants and tourists, any babies they drop are citizens.

Because that's how the Constitution is written.

You lose.

Run away if you are tired of looking foolish.

But the Trump administration's policies are to eject criminal aliens, not to let the liberal run criminal justice system release them.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Positive Liberty Of Citizenship Versus Negative Liberty Of Protection "

* Contemptuous Liars *

Nope. The Constitution is clearly written.
If you are born here, you are a citizen.
Period. Full stop.

The us 14th amendment does not state " and subject to the jurisdiction " full stop , the term thereof must be included .

. What Is A Thereof Jurisdiction ? .

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Revilers Of Us Citizenship "

* scRotus For Traitorous Seditious Idiocy *

The court already ruled this way concerning RvW. They said laws should have been passed

The dumbfounded dobss decision is sedition against the enumerated rite of equal protection , which requires live birth .

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Immigration Is A Diplomatic Agreement "

* Illegal Migrants Are Not Subjects Of Us Jurisdiction *

If an undocumented immigrant commits murder, we aren't going to just send him home. We are going to make him do hard time and THEN send him home.
As opposed to a diplomat, who would just be sent home because we have no jurisdiction.
Since the government claims LEGAL jurisdiction over immigrants and tourists, any babies they drop are citizens.
Because that's how the Constitution is written.
You lose.

Everyone is subject to us jurisdiction , whereas not all are subjects of us jurisdiction .

Through diplomatic agreement , a diplomat has negotiated immunity and has agreed to jus originis for any live births .

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Fools Playing Along With Political Idiocy "

* Hard Headed And Failing *

When did the U.S. claim jurisdiction over undocumented immigrants?

There is a difference between subject to us jurisdiction and a subject of us jurisdiction .

 

[JoeB131]

Much safer to just send him home. There are too many political activists masquarading as prosecutors after being funded by Soros who will find a way to let him off with a light sentence.

Except that's not what they are doing, is it? We are locking them up with long prison sentences and then sending them home.

Also, are you really unaware that there are blue jurisdictions that regularly refuse to cooperate when ICE has a detainer on an illegal alien criminal that they are about to release?

Yes, when ICE acts like the Gestapo, I would hope my local officials will resist them.

Run away if you are tired of looking foolish.

Why? I'm dancing circles around you.

But the Trump administration's policies are to eject criminal aliens, not to let the liberal run criminal justice system release them.

Right. Looks like a dangerous criminal to me.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Except that's not what they are doing, is it? We are locking them up with long prison sentences and then sending them home.

Your Party objects to both. Where your Party is in charge, they obstruct both.

Why?

Yes, when ICE acts like the Gestapo, I would hope my local officials will resist them.

Oh so you dont object to deportations?

Sure Jan.

Why? I'm dancing circles around you.


Right. Looks like a dangerous criminal to me.

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That's a child whose mother rejected him. Sad.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Poster Children Of Yearn Own Fault For Reviling Solvency And Autonomy Of Us Citizens "

* Secular Humanism Meets Theistic Anthropocentrism In Authoritarian Dictates For Socialism *

Except that's not what they are doing, is it? We are locking them up with long prison sentences and then sending them home.
Yes, when ICE acts like the Gestapo, I would hope my local officials will resist them.
Why? I'm dancing circles around you.
Right. Looks like a dangerous criminal to me.
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Yearn secular humanism advocacy is as mundane as catholic church pogroms , for abstinence only policy else breed into poverty , which has caused an over extension in carrying capacity of the latin america peoples in both environment and economy .

While the ignorant proclaim to flee for freedom , which portion fully intends to recreate the dysfunctional conditions for population gluttony , for environmental encroachment , for over burgeoning of infrastructure and economic systems ?

There are +600 million his panic of his pain hole ah in latin america and the solvency of those peoples are the responsibility of those peoples , and its social excesses are not an existential responsibility of etas unis .

While economic libertarians , aka economic liberals , aka free market capitalists , sought cheap labor through illegal immigration , the theistic communists and theistic socialists were being tithed from us government coffers through an illegal immigration gravy train , and those same theistic communists and theistic socialists are now collaborating with theistic capitalists to violate us 1st amendment through private school vouchers used for religious education , indoctrination and proselytization to captive audiences of children and adolescents in parochial and madrassa .

Stop making the problem of latin america the problems of etas unis and its citizens at the behest of we fool you within the pyramid of capitalism .