Rand Paul introduces a Constitutional Amendment to end Birthright Citizenship

[Seymour Flops]

This is a pretty lame attempt for Rand Paul to rehabilitate himself ahead of his 2028 election.

I assure you, he will strongly support Vance or Rubio, or whoever it is until the election is over.

 

[JoeB131]

I doubt that.
You appear to have flunked English language comprehension while doing K-12 education.

The author of the article that you should read first, before making more of an idiot than you are.

I couldn't care less what some weird-bearded academic says.

You are born here, you are a citizen. It's clearly written into the Constitution, and that is how the courts have ruled for 125 years.

You guys are going to lose, because even SCOTUS won't go that far.

 

[JoeB131]

Under Section 5 of the Fourteenth Amendment, Congress has the power to define “by appropriate legislation” who is subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S.

Okay. So since the US has claimed jurisdiction over undocumented immigrants, any children born to them are still citizens.

This isn't complicated.

The issue of jurisdiction applied to diplomats (who have sovereign immunity) and Native American Tribes (which at that time, were considered independent nations within the US before we broke every treaty we made with them.)

 

[Seymour Flops]

Okay. So since the US has claimed jurisdiction over undocumented immigrants, any children born to them are still citizens.

This isn't complicated.

The issue of jurisdiction applied to diplomats (who have sovereign immunity) and Native American Tribes (which at that time, were considered independent nations within the US before we broke every treaty we made with them.)

When did the U.S. claim jurisdiction over undocumented immigrants?

 

[Stryder50]

I couldn't care less what some weird-bearded academic says.

You are born here, you are a citizen. It's clearly written into the Constitution, and that is how the courts have ruled for 125 years.

You guys are going to lose, because even SCOTUS won't go that far.

Sorry Komrade Joe but not so clearly written, which is why it went through courts once and will be going through again.
Failing a correct insight by the courts, then another Amendment to correct the vague wording of the 14th.

 

[Stryder50]

Okay. So since the US has claimed jurisdiction over undocumented immigrants, any children born to them are still citizens.

This isn't complicated.

The issue of jurisdiction applied to diplomats (who have sovereign immunity) and Native American Tribes (which at that time, were considered independent nations within the US before we broke every treaty we made with them.)

Don't try representing yourself in court, you are a louse at being a lawyer.

As presented here already, persons more expert than you and who were involved in the writing and passage of the original Amendment are on record that their use of the term "jurisdiction" co-relates to allegiance, as in nation of origin for initial citizenship purposes. In that context it is a separate concept from being required to comply with the laws of our nation, and being subject to legal consequences if one disobeys our laws. In the context of language used in the 14th, compliance with Laws is not the same as Jurisdiction.

Once they come to America, they are still under the Jurisdiction/allegiance of the nation they came from (originally born in). They only become USA citizens if they go through our Naturalization process successfully to become a citizen of USA, which requires them to renounce their Jurisdiction/allegiance to the original country. Children born to persons in this country who are alien, not of origin to the USA, but here from another country, those children will retain the citizenship/Jurisdiction of their parents.

We haven't broken every treaty we made with Native Americans, most are still in effect (hence Reservations, autonomous, etc.) but some tribes have petitioned for citizenship and had it granted.

You would do well to try and get some credibility by reducing your lying, distortions, disinformation and other pravda. However since you are an agent of enemies of the USA, your masters want you to continue your anti-USA propaganda, and other forms of treason.

I doubt we see you change your tune, but it is necessary to present counter-points to your pravda to spare readers your distortions and misinformation.

 

[Stryder50]

I couldn't care less what some weird-bearded academic says.

You are born here, you are a citizen. It's clearly written into the Constitution, and that is how the courts have ruled for 125 years.

You guys are going to lose, because even SCOTUS won't go that far.

The "weird-bearded academic" has more knowledge, experience, and credentials on this subject than you do.
For that matter you could be any form of phony, poser, fraud here since you don't provide any evidence or proof of who/what you are.

Your positions in posting suggest a loony Left wingnut that is a poor mouthpiece for Marxist and anti-USA propaganda and agitation.

BTW, how many years did the courts rule and uphold segregation?
"The Courts" are not always correct/right in their rulings,, which is why some eventually get reversed.

 

[JoeB131]

When did the U.S. claim jurisdiction over undocumented immigrants?

Every time they arrest one for a crime.

Or for even just being here.

If they had "no jurisdiction", they would be treated like foreign diplomats who have sovereign immunity.