Ramadi: Obama's Shame

[CrusaderFrank]

The answer to all questions is this: we are not going great guns back into Iraq.

Either the Iraqis save themselves or not.

You're right about that

Clearly, Obama won't take away any of the real estate he handed ISIS, so this is all moot until we get a POTUS who does not stand with AQ and ISIS

 

[Roadrunner]

Ramadi was the site of several major battles between the US an AQ and it's offshoots. At the end, local Iraqi cooperation and assistance back by US firepower quelled the Insurgence

""Raider" Brigade takes over Ramadi[edit]
In January 2007, the 1st Brigade Combat Team, 3rd Infantry Division, on its third tour to Iraq, arrived in Ramadi and assumed responsibility from Macfarland's brigade on February 18 at a transfer ceremony at Camp Ramadi. During the ceremony, which was attended by Sheikh Sattar, MacFarland said that his brigade had lost 86 soldiers, sailors and Marines during the 8 month campaign (though the Brigade had spent a total of nearly 17 months in Iraq).[43][44]

In January 2007, Ramadi averaged approximately 35 enemy attacks on US forces per day. Following heavy fighting over an 8-week campaign, which was led by a Task Force commanded by 1st Brigade, 3rd ID, also known as Task Force Raider, attacks in the brigade's area of operations dropped to one or two per day within the city of Ramadi. In the early months of 2007, 3-69 Armor Battalion, in conjunction with two Marine Battalions, along with TF PathFinder was largely responsible for securing Southern and Central Ramadi. By August 2007, Ramadi had gone 80 consecutive days without a single attack on US forces and the 1st BDE, 3rd ID commander commander, Colonel John Charlton, stated, "...al-Qaida is defeated in Al Anbar". However, despite 1-3 ID's effectiveness, insurgents continued to launch attacks on Ramadi and the surrounding areas in the weeks and months to follow. On June 30, 2007, a group of between 50 and 60 insurgents attempting to infiltrate Ramadi were intercepted and destroyed, following a tip from Iraqi Police officers. The insurgents were intercepted by elements of the 1st Battalion, 77th Armor on 30 June 2007 and on 1 July 2007 they were destroyed by elements of Bravo company, 2nd Squad, 1st platoon, 1-18 Infantry Regiment. 1-18 operated out of the Ta'Meem district of Ramadi's western sector. North of Ramadi, elements of 3-69 Armor, whose headquarters had been moved north of Ramadi, engaged elements of al-Qaeda in Iraq who had taken refuge in rural areas north of the city. After several counter-insurgency operations, 3-69 AR Battalion effectively removed Al Qaeda in Iraq from the greater Anbar province. By March 2008, Ramadi, Iraq had become a vastly safer city than it had been only a year before and the number of enemy attacks in the city had fallen drastically. Years later, by mid 2012, Ramadi remained far safer than it had been since 2003.[45][46][47]

Iraqi Police Development Played a Key Role in Tribal Engagement Strategy[edit]
One major shortcoming in the efforts to wrest control of Ramadi from the insurgency was the failure of the Iraqi Police to effectively combat the insurgency. As part of the Tribal Engagement Strategy, Ready First developed and implemented a plan to quickly recruit, train, and employ Iraqi Policemen on the streets of Ramadi. COL MacFarland, and LTC James Lechner, Deputy Brigade Commander, successfully developed an Iraqi Police recruiting, training, and employment plan that was implemented by HHC, 2-152 Infantry (Mech), an Army National Guard unit that lived in Iraqi Police Stations and Combat Outposts conducting daily patrols and clearing operations with their counterparts. HHC, 2-152 Infantry, also known in Ramadi as "the 152nd", or the Police Transition Team (PTT) Company would provide the Iraqi Police in Ramadi with the leadership and oversight that proved crucial in re-establishing a police presence in Ramadi to ensure insurgent forces did not return to neighborhoods that had been secured. Consequently, the success of the Iraqi Police program in Ramadi convinced the Ramadi populace that their government could effectively provide for their security needs, a critical element of defeating the insurgency. The 152nd PTT Company's Iraqi Police efforts began in October 2006 and would continue through the departure of Ready First and into the tenure of 1st Brigade, 3rd Infantry Division until the 152nd departed in October 2007. The 152nd was responsible for recruiting, training, and conducting patrols with hundreds of Iraqi Police, and opened several new Iraqi Police stations in the city of Ramadi."

Battle of Ramadi 2006 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

here's Ramadi today

Obama has no shame.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

There is a force of evil in the Middle East. It was defeated in Al Anbar, but not eliminated. It steered clear of US Army, Air Force and Marines and directed its attention elsewhere. Once Obama switched sides and removed the forces for good that were keeping evil at bay, evil was free to move into Al Anbar.

That's the story of Ramadi

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Ramadi was the site of several major battles between the US an AQ and it's offshoots. At the end, local Iraqi cooperation and assistance back by US firepower quelled the Insurgence

""Raider" Brigade takes over Ramadi[edit]
In January 2007, the 1st Brigade Combat Team, 3rd Infantry Division, on its third tour to Iraq, arrived in Ramadi and assumed responsibility from Macfarland's brigade on February 18 at a transfer ceremony at Camp Ramadi. During the ceremony, which was attended by Sheikh Sattar, MacFarland said that his brigade had lost 86 soldiers, sailors and Marines during the 8 month campaign (though the Brigade had spent a total of nearly 17 months in Iraq).[43][44]

In January 2007, Ramadi averaged approximately 35 enemy attacks on US forces per day. Following heavy fighting over an 8-week campaign, which was led by a Task Force commanded by 1st Brigade, 3rd ID, also known as Task Force Raider, attacks in the brigade's area of operations dropped to one or two per day within the city of Ramadi. In the early months of 2007, 3-69 Armor Battalion, in conjunction with two Marine Battalions, along with TF PathFinder was largely responsible for securing Southern and Central Ramadi. By August 2007, Ramadi had gone 80 consecutive days without a single attack on US forces and the 1st BDE, 3rd ID commander commander, Colonel John Charlton, stated, "...al-Qaida is defeated in Al Anbar". However, despite 1-3 ID's effectiveness, insurgents continued to launch attacks on Ramadi and the surrounding areas in the weeks and months to follow. On June 30, 2007, a group of between 50 and 60 insurgents attempting to infiltrate Ramadi were intercepted and destroyed, following a tip from Iraqi Police officers. The insurgents were intercepted by elements of the 1st Battalion, 77th Armor on 30 June 2007 and on 1 July 2007 they were destroyed by elements of Bravo company, 2nd Squad, 1st platoon, 1-18 Infantry Regiment. 1-18 operated out of the Ta'Meem district of Ramadi's western sector. North of Ramadi, elements of 3-69 Armor, whose headquarters had been moved north of Ramadi, engaged elements of al-Qaeda in Iraq who had taken refuge in rural areas north of the city. After several counter-insurgency operations, 3-69 AR Battalion effectively removed Al Qaeda in Iraq from the greater Anbar province. By March 2008, Ramadi, Iraq had become a vastly safer city than it had been only a year before and the number of enemy attacks in the city had fallen drastically. Years later, by mid 2012, Ramadi remained far safer than it had been since 2003.[45][46][47]

Iraqi Police Development Played a Key Role in Tribal Engagement Strategy[edit]
One major shortcoming in the efforts to wrest control of Ramadi from the insurgency was the failure of the Iraqi Police to effectively combat the insurgency. As part of the Tribal Engagement Strategy, Ready First developed and implemented a plan to quickly recruit, train, and employ Iraqi Policemen on the streets of Ramadi. COL MacFarland, and LTC James Lechner, Deputy Brigade Commander, successfully developed an Iraqi Police recruiting, training, and employment plan that was implemented by HHC, 2-152 Infantry (Mech), an Army National Guard unit that lived in Iraqi Police Stations and Combat Outposts conducting daily patrols and clearing operations with their counterparts. HHC, 2-152 Infantry, also known in Ramadi as "the 152nd", or the Police Transition Team (PTT) Company would provide the Iraqi Police in Ramadi with the leadership and oversight that proved crucial in re-establishing a police presence in Ramadi to ensure insurgent forces did not return to neighborhoods that had been secured. Consequently, the success of the Iraqi Police program in Ramadi convinced the Ramadi populace that their government could effectively provide for their security needs, a critical element of defeating the insurgency. The 152nd PTT Company's Iraqi Police efforts began in October 2006 and would continue through the departure of Ready First and into the tenure of 1st Brigade, 3rd Infantry Division until the 152nd departed in October 2007. The 152nd was responsible for recruiting, training, and conducting patrols with hundreds of Iraqi Police, and opened several new Iraqi Police stations in the city of Ramadi."

Battle of Ramadi 2006 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

here's Ramadi today

Obama has no shame.

It's not about shame or smarts, Obama switched sides and is supporting ISIS and Al Qaeda

 

[JakeStarkey]

Anyone who thinks BHO supports ISIS etc is starkers.

Any such talk is seen as loony talk similar to JBS or the Christian dominionists or Westboro Baptist.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Anyone who thinks BHO supports ISIS etc is starkers.

Any such talk is seen as loony talk similar to JBS or the Christian dominionists or Westboro Baptist.

So maybe Obama is just really naive and stupid?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Anyone who thinks BHO supports ISIS etc is starkers.

Any such talk is seen as loony talk similar to JBS or the Christian dominionists or Westboro Baptist.

So maybe Obama is just really naive and stupid?

He may be. He is not a traitor.

 

[tinydancer]

Ramadi, the shame of the Bush neo-cons and the Sunni army. The first never planned for the fall of Iraq and the second won't fight for their country. Bring our troops home and send our neo-cons, their supporters and their families to permanent exile in Iraq.

It's complete and utter bullshit that the Iraqis haven't been fighting for their country.

And fuck off with "bring our troops home". You already did that and THAT'S why it's FUBAR'D in Iraq.

Oh and a special note. The administration in their wisdom working with the new PM of Iraq have resisted allowing Shia militias to fight in Sunni territory.

Because....are you fucking ready.....they've been afraid of sectarian violence.

How's that for complete mother trucking idiocy? Now the Shia have just said fuck you and are going to go and take back Ramadi.

Shia Militia Move To Retake IS-Held Ramadi
The United Nations says nearly 25,000 people have fled the city after Islamic State fighters gained total control on Sunday.

Shia Militia Move To Retake IS-Held Ramadi

 

[JakeStarkey]

Your loud and silly language does not reinforce anything, td, except that geo-politics is not your strong suit, anymore than it is for PC.

We can't keep 400 thousand pair of boots, our military and contractors included, on the ground in Iraq.

We can't win for the Iraqis if the Sunni-dominated army won't fight their co-religionists in the west and won't work with the Shi'ite militias.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Your loud and silly language does not reinforce anything, td, except that geo-politics is not your strong suit, anymore than it is for PC.

We can't keep 400 thousand pair of boots, our military and contractors included, on the ground in Iraq.

We can't win for the Iraqis if the Sunni-dominated army won't fight their co-religionists in the west and won't work with the Shi'ite militias.

Stop sucking up for Obama. He fucked up Ramadi.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Your loud and silly language does not reinforce anything, td, except that geo-politics is not your strong suit, anymore than it is for PC.

We can't keep 400 thousand pair of boots, our military and contractors included, on the ground in Iraq.

We can't win for the Iraqis if the Sunni-dominated army won't fight their co-religionists in the west and won't work with the Shi'ite militias.

Stop sucking up for Obama. He fucked up Ramadi.

So you believe. The fuck up began with Bush's invasion. The neo-cons thought we would turn Iraq into a ME Arkansas, a stable ally of the USA. Loony thought.

 

[tinydancer]

Your loud and silly language does not reinforce anything, td, except that geo-politics is not your strong suit, anymore than it is for PC.

We can't keep 400 thousand pair of boots, our military and contractors included, on the ground in Iraq.

We can't win for the Iraqis if the Sunni-dominated army won't fight their co-religionists in the west and won't work with the Shi'ite militias.

Oh bite me

I think you could spare some from other locations 'mmmmkay?

Bottom line there should have been a greater effort to renegotiate the troop withdrawal and keep the region as stabilized as possible with US troops remaining in IRAQ.

Bottom line Obama should never have been so hell bent for leather on removing Assad that he allowed the rise of ISIS and assisted in the funding and supplying of weaponry to so called "rebels" who were in fact nothing more than non Syrian mercenaries who had not a problem at any given time working with either Al Nusra (AQ) or ISIS and passing on armaments.

It's so FUBAR'D now because of Obama's horrid ME policies.

Now tell me you couldn't afford to have some troops in Iraq?

I mean come on Jake. Take a look at Japan alone.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Your loud and silly language does not reinforce anything, td, except that geo-politics is not your strong suit, anymore than it is for PC.

We can't keep 400 thousand pair of boots, our military and contractors included, on the ground in Iraq.

We can't win for the Iraqis if the Sunni-dominated army won't fight their co-religionists in the west and won't work with the Shi'ite militias.

Stop sucking up for Obama. He fucked up Ramadi.

So you believe. The fuck up began with Bush's invasion. The neo-cons thought we would turn Iraq into a ME Arkansas, a stable ally of the USA. Loony thought.

You Dems and Obama apologists keep mentioning Bush as if that absolves Obama for his fuck ups. Out troops controlled Ramadi, not Bush not Obama. Ramadi was stable and AQ was defeated in Al Anbar when it was entrusted to Obama. HE decided to abandon the region, not Bush; Obama decided to abandon the region.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Your loud and silly language does not reinforce anything, td, except that geo-politics is not your strong suit, anymore than it is for PC.

We can't keep 400 thousand pair of boots, our military and contractors included, on the ground in Iraq.

We can't win for the Iraqis if the Sunni-dominated army won't fight their co-religionists in the west and won't work with the Shi'ite militias.

Oh bite me

I think you could spare some from other locations 'mmmmkay?

Bottom line there should have been a greater effort to renegotiate the troop withdrawal and keep the region as stabilized as possible with US troops remaining in IRAQ.

Bottom line Obama should never have been so hell bent for leather on removing Assad that he allowed the rise of ISIS and assisted in the funding and supplying of weaponry to so called "rebels" who were in fact nothing more than non Syrian mercenaries who had not a problem at any given time working with either Al Nusra (AQ) or ISIS and passing on armaments.

It's so FUBAR'D now because of Obama's horrid ME policies.

Now tell me you couldn't afford to have some troops in Iraq?

I mean come on Jake. Take a look at Japan alone.

You don't listen. We can't afford what we have deployed through the world.

Iraq: 400,000 competent troops are necessary just to hold down the violence. The American voter will not permit even a 1/4th of as a permanent commitment to Iraq. You really don't get it. The neo-cons and their policies have been failing for a long time.

We keep troops in South Korean and Ukraine as a trip wire to keep the Koreans and the Russians at bay. We keep our training, advising, and liaison missions in Europe and North Africa, We reduced our troop levels in Japan and Okinawa.

We build up or Air and Naval shields and bring most troops homes. Strengthen the border. Continue toward energy independence.

That is the way to go.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Obama has plenty of fuck ups, most of the military and foreign policy ones rooted in Bush's fuck ups. Get out of Iraq.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Your loud and silly language does not reinforce anything, td, except that geo-politics is not your strong suit, anymore than it is for PC.

We can't keep 400 thousand pair of boots, our military and contractors included, on the ground in Iraq.

We can't win for the Iraqis if the Sunni-dominated army won't fight their co-religionists in the west and won't work with the Shi'ite militias.

Oh bite me

I think you could spare some from other locations 'mmmmkay?

Bottom line there should have been a greater effort to renegotiate the troop withdrawal and keep the region as stabilized as possible with US troops remaining in IRAQ.

Bottom line Obama should never have been so hell bent for leather on removing Assad that he allowed the rise of ISIS and assisted in the funding and supplying of weaponry to so called "rebels" who were in fact nothing more than non Syrian mercenaries who had not a problem at any given time working with either Al Nusra (AQ) or ISIS and passing on armaments.

It's so FUBAR'D now because of Obama's horrid ME policies.

Now tell me you couldn't afford to have some troops in Iraq?

I mean come on Jake. Take a look at Japan alone.

You don't listen. We can't afford what we have deployed through the world.

Iraq: 400,000 competent troops are necessary just to hold down the violence. The American voter will not permit even a 1/4th of as a permanent commitment to Iraq. You really don't get it. The neo-cons and their policies have been failing for a long time.

We keep troops in South Korean and Ukraine as a trip wire to keep the Koreans and the Russians at bay. We keep our training, advising, and liaison missions in Europe and North Africa, We reduced our troop levels in Japan and Okinawa.

We build up or Air and Naval shields and bring most troops homes. Strengthen the border. Continue toward energy independence.

That is the way to go.

Jake, you can't make up your own version of history and hope to be taken seriously. I posted what actually happened at the Battle of Ramadi. Maybe you should read it before continuing to express your totally incorrect opinion

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Obama's assessment of ISIS was that they were a JV team - Obama was so very wrong.

Obama said he has a strategy to defeat ISIS - from all evidence it is proving to be a failure.

Maybe Obama should trying to pretend that he is the "smartest man in the room".

.

Too late if ya ran for President to pretend being the smartest man in a room. Smart people don't want to become President.

 

[Spare_change]

Your loud and silly language does not reinforce anything, td, except that geo-politics is not your strong suit, anymore than it is for PC.

We can't keep 400 thousand pair of boots, our military and contractors included, on the ground in Iraq.

We can't win for the Iraqis if the Sunni-dominated army won't fight their co-religionists in the west and won't work with the Shi'ite militias.

Oh bite me

I think you could spare some from other locations 'mmmmkay?

Bottom line there should have been a greater effort to renegotiate the troop withdrawal and keep the region as stabilized as possible with US troops remaining in IRAQ.

Bottom line Obama should never have been so hell bent for leather on removing Assad that he allowed the rise of ISIS and assisted in the funding and supplying of weaponry to so called "rebels" who were in fact nothing more than non Syrian mercenaries who had not a problem at any given time working with either Al Nusra (AQ) or ISIS and passing on armaments.

It's so FUBAR'D now because of Obama's horrid ME policies.

Now tell me you couldn't afford to have some troops in Iraq?

I mean come on Jake. Take a look at Japan alone.

You don't listen. We can't afford what we have deployed through the world.

Iraq: 400,000 competent troops are necessary just to hold down the violence. The American voter will not permit even a 1/4th of as a permanent commitment to Iraq. You really don't get it. The neo-cons and their policies have been failing for a long time.

We keep troops in South Korean and Ukraine as a trip wire to keep the Koreans and the Russians at bay. We keep our training, advising, and liaison missions in Europe and North Africa, We reduced our troop levels in Japan and Okinawa.

We build up or Air and Naval shields and bring most troops homes. Strengthen the border. Continue toward energy independence.

That is the way to go.

No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.

John Donne

 

[JakeStarkey]

John Donne was not a military man, and a wonderful poet.

We have no need to conquer the world, and we have not the resources. We certainly cannot change the ME. Only the peoples there can do that.

The neo-con path will destroy America if Americans permit it, but we know now they won't.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Your loud and silly language does not reinforce anything, td, except that geo-politics is not your strong suit, anymore than it is for PC.

We can't keep 400 thousand pair of boots, our military and contractors included, on the ground in Iraq.

We can't win for the Iraqis if the Sunni-dominated army won't fight their co-religionists in the west and won't work with the Shi'ite militias.

Oh bite me

I think you could spare some from other locations 'mmmmkay?

Bottom line there should have been a greater effort to renegotiate the troop withdrawal and keep the region as stabilized as possible with US troops remaining in IRAQ.

Bottom line Obama should never have been so hell bent for leather on removing Assad that he allowed the rise of ISIS and assisted in the funding and supplying of weaponry to so called "rebels" who were in fact nothing more than non Syrian mercenaries who had not a problem at any given time working with either Al Nusra (AQ) or ISIS and passing on armaments.

It's so FUBAR'D now because of Obama's horrid ME policies.

Now tell me you couldn't afford to have some troops in Iraq?

I mean come on Jake. Take a look at Japan alone.

You don't listen. We can't afford what we have deployed through the world.

Iraq: 400,000 competent troops are necessary just to hold down the violence. The American voter will not permit even a 1/4th of as a permanent commitment to Iraq. You really don't get it. The neo-cons and their policies have been failing for a long time.

We keep troops in South Korean and Ukraine as a trip wire to keep the Koreans and the Russians at bay. We keep our training, advising, and liaison missions in Europe and North Africa, We reduced our troop levels in Japan and Okinawa.

We build up or Air and Naval shields and bring most troops homes. Strengthen the border. Continue toward energy independence.

That is the way to go.

We didn't need 400,000 to secure Ramadi