“Raise the Wage Act”, (H.R. 582) would have increased most USA’s wage-earning families’ incomes.

[danielpalos]

Minimum wage is one of the dumbest cons liberals ever thought up. Fortunately for them, there are lots of dumb people in the world.

Why do you believe that?

Because it doesn't do what they say. It doesn't increase the wealth of low-wage workers. You can't just declare someone's job to be worth more money with legislation. You can artificially set a price, but then everything else will adjust around it and minimum wage workers will still be poor. It's just pablum for the dummies.

My comment earlier suggesting that we double the value of the dollar wasn't just sarcasm. That's how minimum wage works. It sets a minimum and everything scales around that. Sure, for a short time, some minimum wage employees will be better off (and some won't - some will lose their jobs during the transition). But after the market adjusts, the low wages workers will still be at the bottom rung, with the same buying power as before.

Special pleading is usually an appeal to ignorance. The cost of social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour and is a Reason for a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.

LOL - ok, daniel. I see you're back to your usual word salad. Have fun with that.

Oh, look, nothing but fluff. Why should I take you seriously?

 

[danielpalos]

LOL - ok, daniel. I see you're back to your usual word salad. Have fun with that.

Good call. I'm done schooling that dingbat as well.

Says the guy with nothing but fallacy.

 

[danielpalos]

Good for you
Low wage and low skilled workers lack the bargaining power.
Doesn’t excuse employers exploiting them.

You just love posting silly things, don't you?

Specifically, how are the poor decisions and lack of personal responsibility the fault of the employer?

lol. Right wingers are best at false witness bearing and practicing the Abomination of Hypocrisy (unto God).

Why did you dodge answering my simple question? Instead, you childishly chose to post a senseless comment.

Specifically, what is not true in my chart listing three ways to avoid poverty? Doesn't that come down to personal responsibility?

One more chance, " Specifically, how are the poor decisions and lack of personal responsibility the fault of the employer?"

Black codes were one hindrance in the past.

We are not in the past, this is August 30, 2020.

Once again...

Why did you dodge answering my simple question? Instead, you childishly chose to post a senseless comment.

Specifically, what is not true in my chart listing three ways to avoid poverty? Doesn't that come down to personal responsibility?

One more chance, " Specifically, how are the poor decisions and lack of personal responsibility the fault of the employer?"

A lack of bargaining power due to lack of capital under our form of Capitalism.

“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”
― Anatole France

 

[danielpalos]

Business knows that there are a low skilled class of people who will accept any meager wage offered. As long as they have a supply of those people, they will pay any wage they can get away with.

Republicans celebrate that as Free Market


But that market does not pay a wage workers can support themselves or a family. The taxpayer picks up the difference in housing aid, food stamps, medical care.

The employer keeps the profit

What is the typical household income where one of the workers earns the minimum wage?

Enough to qualify for means tested welfare?

So you have no clue. Typical of the Democrat Party, seeking solutions to problems that do not exist.

Averages are not the whole picture only the average. And, why are wages not keeping up with inflation in our allegedly free market economy? Why have corporations helps their employees obtain social service benefits instead of simply raising the minimum wage if not for their bottom line?

 

[danielpalos]

It goes beyond the Minimum wage to those making $10-$12 an hour after working for years.

Low skilled workers used to be able to raise families based on their wages.

Yeah, you let 30 million low skilled illegal aliens move in, it makes it
harder for low skilled Americans to earn a decent wage.

Abolish corporate welfare to abolish the minimum wage.

 

[danielpalos]

Passing on "minimum wage costs" to the consumer; why bother to complain about a strait forward higher minimum wage?

Hmmmmm...think, think, think.

Because it accomplishes nothing and hurts the low skilled, beginning worker the most? Yeah, that's works.

Not in the long run. think, think, think. Higher paid labor creates more in Demand and pays more in Taxes.

 

[danielpalos]

You should pay more because the taxpayer must support your workers with subsidies for food, housing and medical care

It sounds like you have a problem with taxation funding the social safety net.

I have a problem with taxpayers supporting a millionaires employees so he can make more money.
I have a problem in slashing business tax rates by 40% when we have to support your employees

I have a problem with taxpayers supporting a millionaires employees so he can make more money.

Do you pay more support before the employee gets a job or after?

We all still pay if the employee still needs social services.

 

[danielpalos]

Not to be unkind, but in any discussion of Congressional powers, anyone referring to "general welfare" wording is a constitutional illiterate, and not to be engaged. Complete waste of time.

lol. Our Constitution is express not implied. Why do you not say the same about the common defense?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

From 1978 to 2018, CEO compensation grew by 1,007.5%

Lies.

 

[Markle]

Only "hate on the Poor" right wingers use that propaganda and rhetoric.

Incorrect. Anyone who claims only executives have had their wages rise is a liar.

Learn how to read.

From 1978 to 2018, CEO compensation grew by 1,007.5% (940.3% under the options-realized measure), far outstripping S&P stock market growth (706.7%) and the wage growth of very high earners (339.2%). In contrast, wages for the typical worker grew by just 11.9%.--https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-compensation-2018/

Once again, thank former President Bill Clinton for the huge increases in top executive compensation packages.

 

[Markle]

Good for you
Low wage and low skilled workers lack the bargaining power.
Doesn’t excuse employers exploiting them.

You just love posting silly things, don't you?

Specifically, how are the poor decisions and lack of personal responsibility the fault of the employer?

lol. Right wingers are best at false witness bearing and practicing the Abomination of Hypocrisy (unto God).

Why did you dodge answering my simple question? Instead, you childishly chose to post a senseless comment.

Specifically, what is not true in my chart listing three ways to avoid poverty? Doesn't that come down to personal responsibility?

One more chance, " Specifically, how are the poor decisions and lack of personal responsibility the fault of the employer?"

Black codes were one hindrance in the past.

We are not in the past, this is August 30, 2020.

Once again...

Why did you dodge answering my simple question? Instead, you childishly chose to post a senseless comment.

Specifically, what is not true in my chart listing three ways to avoid poverty? Doesn't that come down to personal responsibility?

One more chance, " Specifically, how are the poor decisions and lack of personal responsibility the fault of the employer?"

A lack of bargaining power due to lack of capital under our form of Capitalism.

“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”
― Anatole France

Still nothing from my far-left Liberal good friend, danielpalos. I am shocked...SHOCKED I SAY!

Once again...

Why did you dodge answering my simple question? Instead, you childishly chose to post a senseless comment.

Specifically, what is not true in my chart listing three ways to avoid poverty? Doesn't that come down to personal responsibility?

One more chance, " Specifically, how are the poor decisions and lack of personal responsibility the fault of the employer?"

 

[Markle]

Averages are not the whole picture only the average. And, why are wages not keeping up with inflation in our allegedly free market economy? Why have corporations helps their employees obtain social service benefits instead of simply raising the minimum wage if not for their bottom line?

You refused to answer what the typical income is of a household where one of the workers earns minimum wage. Why?

As you know, or should know, is the fact that under President Donald Trump, wages have been exceeding inflation.

On what is a corporation's value-based?

 

[Orangecat]

Learn how to read.

Take your own advice, stooge:

Everyone but the executives

 

[Orangecat]

Says the guy with nothing but fallacy instead of any valid arguments.

I'm not arguing, I'm exposing you for the uneducated fool you are, kid.

 

[Orangecat]

A lack of perfect knowledge and lack of bargaining power as the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism. Black codes is one example.

There are no black codes.
You have only yourself to blame for your incompetence and worthlessness in the employment marketplace.
Grow up and accept responsibility for your situation. Or don't. I'll be fine either way.

Same as above. A lack of perfect knowledge and bargaining power.

More loser-babble.

It is institutional not individual.

No, it's your own fault. Man up for once in your life.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Here's the basic problem with raising the minimum wages. Seattle was a good example. Once the mandatory $15.00 minimum wage was enacted, the companies, reduced the hours of the employees so as to not cut into the companies profits. Thus, the employees didn't make more money and in some cases, made less.
Then, there's also the other effect, where once employees are paid more, product costs must go up to compensate for the lost revenue and thus having to pay more for products, it reduces your cost of living via paying for more expensive products.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

higher wages = higher prices!!!

Higher wages mean more consumption, less debt, less need for public support.

Higher wages mean more consumption, less debt, less need for public support.

And less consumption, more debt for the business.

Why do you believe that? Higher paid labor creates more in Demand and pays more in Taxes.

higher paid labor creates more demand? explain how you come up with that reasoning?
If it cost me more for labor I'll do it myself which means no one is working or earning money

lol. Because the dollar menu will not double even if the minimum wage does. And a person earning fifteen dollars an hour pays approximately five times more in federal income taxes than do persons at the current minimum wage.

So where does this new money come from? Because the dollar menu will go up to compensate for the rising cost of labor.

Even the dollar menu won't double from one dollar to two dollars even if the minimum wage doubles. A positive multiplier takes care of the rest.

that's nonsense owners are in business to make money not to give people a means to earn a living wage.
Basic economics 101

 

[bigrebnc1775]

They move on and someone else comes in to be exploited.

They gains skills and experience, move on to better jobs and then new unskilled, inexperienced workers move into their first job? Sounds horrible!!! Gotta saw off the lower rungs of that ladder of success, eh comrade?

Black codes are one right wing example of why your logic and reasoning are unsound.

democrats gave birth to the black codes sorry if that chaps your ass..... no I'm not.

lol. Right wingers were democrats until the civil rights acts, then they are went Republican.

no shit for brains right-wing is not democrats it's never been democrat

lol. Yes, they were. You simply appeal to Ignorance like usual for the Right Wing.

just because you say it is so doesn't make it so.
Talk about ignorance you believe raising the cost of labor will bring prices down lol

 

[bigrebnc1775]

“Raise the Wage Act”, (H.R. 582) would have increased most USA’s wage-earning families’ incomes.

The last minimum wage bill that was proposed and considered in congress, was H.R. 258, “Raise the Wage Act”. It was passed by the Democratic majority house, then passed on to the Republican majority senate, (where it now lies effectively dead).
Refer to the Congressional Budget office’s, (i.e. CBO’s) minimum wage rate report,
How Increasing the Federal Minimum Wage Could Affect Employment and Family Income | Congressional Budget Office, and follow the link’s instructions to obtain the HR 258 interactive graphs.

Referring to the graph entitled “Average Percentage Change in Real Family Income, by Income Group”: The graph indicates average incomes of families earning less than 3 times the poverty threshold increase. Average incomes of higher income families do not perceivably begin to decrease until those incomes achieve 6 more times the poverty threshold;

(i.e. CBO’s study confirms minimum wage rate’s beneficial effects upon job’s rates are inversely related. Employees within the lowest wage rate brackets most benefit in proportion to their incomes, and those benefits (proportional to incomes) are incrementally lesser as incomes increase. Thus, the wage incomes of most USA’s wage earners would have benefit or would not be detrimentally affected by passage of H.R. 582.

[Six, (6) times a family of three’s income equal or exceeding 6 times the poverty threshold would be $122,000 per year and for a family of four it would well exceed $125,00 per year expressed in 2018 U.S. dollars.]
Respectfully, Supposn

1. doesn't matter how much $$$$ you give stupid people, they will still be poor
2. higher wages = higher prices!!!! SO, they still can't afford things!! DUH

lol. Why abolish slavery then, right wingers. That is what you really want. DUH

slavery and minimum wage---????HAHAHHAHHAHAHA

LOL. Still clueless and Causeless regarding right wing propaganda and rhetoric, right wingers? Y'all want the minimum wage to truly be Zero.

raise minimum wage = raising prices = worthless

why abolish slavery; right wing logic and reasoning = worthless.

minimum wage is not slavery

Still don't remember your right wing parroting propaganda? You Right Wingers want the minimum wage to be zero.

you need to provide proof of that stupidity
Me being right wing want everybody to be paid exactly what the job is worth.
Are you willing to pay a police officer more than they are making?

Don't remember your own right wing propaganda and rhetoric?

something a leftists create is not right wing propaganda
Time for you to prove your lies as factual and truthful

lol. Right wingers are the ones who allege to believe the "true minimum wage should be zero".

again your opinion is not proof

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Because only once side has negotiating leverage

That's a lie. One side has cash, the other has labor. Both can negotiate.

Just because the market says you can exploit someone doesn’t mean you should.

The markey doesn't say that. Stop with the childish bromides.

The taxpayer makes up the difference

Irrelevant.

Money was invented, for a capital based reason.

money was invented because carrying eggs around in pockets to exchange for things didn't work out well for long periods of time