Raining Immigrants: Good Thing Or Bad?

[PoliticalChic]

One of the cornerstones of Liberalism/Progressivism is that sovereignty must be put aside....or asunder.....and borders eliminated.

Obama advanced this doctrine this very weekend:
"Obama slammed Trump’s proposal to build a wall along the country’s southern border, saying the world is becoming ever more interconnected and “building walls won’t change that.”
Obama assails Trump’s wall in Rutgers commencement speech


The basis of this is the definition of communism: international socialism.
In fact, it stands as one of the few differences between communism and Nazism (national socialism).



1. There is a powerful argument in favor of the Liberal desire for open borders and a tidal wave of immigration....let's overlook the refusal to differentiate between legal and illegal immigration, the euphemistic 'undocumented immigrants,'.....

.... have a look at a reason in favor of the waves of immigration around the world.

2. "....a nation that it is not willing/able to reproduce itself and pass on its cultural heritage to a new generation? .... the alternative to a country reproducing naturally to reverse demographic decline: immigration.

In particular we’ve circled back to two countries taking a very different tack on immigration as a solution to a dropping population: Germany and Japan.

While the Japanese approach of refusing any large-scale immigration might see the country continue to sink in population, clout and economic strength, we have seen the (perhaps insurmountable?) problems that the German response to the migrant crisis last year has brought.


3. ...the demographic benefit of migration?

One, obviously there is the increase in population: each migrant is another person for the country that he or she moves to. The picture is usually brighter than that, since migrants are often young they are therefore another potential taxpayer and contributor to the finances of their adopted country to help support the increasing health and superannuation bill for the ageing native population.

(This is all assuming that there are jobs for migrants to fill and that the migrants have the skills to fill them.)

Two, migrants tend to have more children than the native population, thus helping the ageing population in generations to come. This view lies behind the claims of authors such as Mark Steyn that Europe is inevitably going to become majority Muslim in the next couple of generations. In short, the largely Muslim migrants will out-breed their non-Muslim compatriots.

"However, according to this report by the Economist, this view might be outdated.....

Focussing on the western-German city of Duisburg, the birth rate of foreign-born women (those holding foreign passports) has dropped precipitously since 1980 until today where native-born Germans are actually more fertile than the foreign-born population (measured as live births per 1000 women aged 15-44 years old).

As the Economist notes this is “saying something” since German women do not have “nearly enough babies to keep the population ticking over naturally”. (Having said that, the last three years on the graph provided with the article show the foreign-born fertility rate tracking upwards so that, if things continue in the same manner, it will overtake the native-born fertility rate in the next couple of years.)" MercatorNet: Are immigrants a boon for fertility rates?




"....assuming that there are jobs for migrants to fill and that the migrants have the skills to fill them..." and "...migrants tend to have more children than the native population, thus helping the ageing population in generations to come."


But what if these conditions are not met.....?


We'll investigate.

 

[TNHarley]

Who has legalized more illegals : Democrats or republicans?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Who has legalized more illegals : Democrats or republicans?

Doesn't matter, who has, the problem is when do we SHUT THE FUCKING DOOR, and get our own house in order. One side(Liberal morons) want to allow everyone into our once great country so they can fundamentally transform it from a Christian/Judea group of happy people, to a 3rd world latino/Islamic group so then the US is no longer SEEN as a Powerhouse. All you have to do is watch the apologizer in chief go around the world, blame whitie for all the worlds problems, yet once Whitie is gone, the there is all hell to pay. The world is on fire, inner cities burn, dogs want to be cats, and the end is near, or "maybe" 100 years from now. The staypuff marshmallow man is on his way, and he is in the White House. Boy were the liberals wrong with the 1st White black president of the US. Hope and Change, lowering the oceans and heal the planet.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Who has legalized more illegals : Democrats or republicans?

You seem to have missed this...

One of the cornerstones of Liberalism/Progressivism is that sovereignty must be put aside....or asunder.....and borders eliminated.

Obama advanced this doctrine this very weekend:
"Obama slammed Trump’s proposal to build a wall along the country’s southern border, saying the world is becoming ever more interconnected and “building walls won’t change that.”
Obama assails Trump’s wall in Rutgers commencement speech


The basis of this is the definition of communism: international socialism.
In fact, it stands as one of the few differences between communism and Nazism (national socialism).




Now....which party follows the dictates of those who wish to end sovereignty, and see immigration as the path that leads there?

 

[TNHarley]

Who has legalized more illegals : Democrats or republicans?

You seem to have missed this...

One of the cornerstones of Liberalism/Progressivism is that sovereignty must be put aside....or asunder.....and borders eliminated.

Obama advanced this doctrine this very weekend:
"Obama slammed Trump’s proposal to build a wall along the country’s southern border, saying the world is becoming ever more interconnected and “building walls won’t change that.”
Obama assails Trump’s wall in Rutgers commencement speech


The basis of this is the definition of communism: international socialism.
In fact, it stands as one of the few differences between communism and Nazism (national socialism).




Now....which party follows the dictates of those who wish to end sovereignty, and see immigration as the path that leads there?

Both. Which was OBVIOUSLY my point.
Repubs have legalized more illegals.
The Repubs are the ones that talk shit.
BOTH parties have been hijacked by corporatists that seem to favor foreigners and special interests. NOT the American People.

 

[TNHarley]

Who has legalized more illegals : Democrats or republicans?

Doesn't matter, who has, the problem is when do we SHUT THE FUCKING DOOR, and get our own house in order. One side(Liberal morons) want to allow everyone into our once great country so they can fundamentally transform it from a Christian/Judea group of happy people, to a 3rd world latino/Islamic group so then the US is no longer SEEN as a Powerhouse. All you have to do is watch the apologizer in chief go around the world, blame whitie for all the worlds problems, yet once Whitie is gone, the there is all hell to pay. The world is on fire, inner cities burn, dogs want to be cats, and the end is near, or "maybe" 100 years from now. The staypuff marshmallow man is on his way, and he is in the White House. Boy were the liberals wrong with the 1st White black president of the US. Hope and Change, lowering the oceans and heal the planet.

I am very much for Nationalist policies. ESPECIALLY illegals and shit.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Who has legalized more illegals : Democrats or republicans?

Who has legalized more illegals : Democrats or republicans?

The same party who voted more strongly for the 1964 civil rights bill, so what?

 

[TNHarley]

Who has legalized more illegals : Democrats or republicans?

Who has legalized more illegals : Democrats or republicans?

The same party who voted more strongly for the 1964 civil rights bill, so what?

People always go on with the bullshit that its only Dems who like illegals. Its not. And if you look at actual policy, the repubs are even WORSE. Look at immigration act of 90'. MONSTROSITY

 

[PoliticalChic]

"....assuming that there are jobs for migrants to fill and that the migrants have the skills to fill them..." and "...migrants tend to have more children than the native population, thus helping the ageing population in generations to come."


But what if these conditions are not met.....?




4. "The collapse of the foreign-born fertility rate is not just a German phenomenon. As the Economist reports:

“Between 2006 and 2013 the fertility rate among Mexicans in America fell by 35%, compared with a drop of 3% among non-Hispanic whites. In the Netherlands, the immigrant fertility rate is now almost exactly the same as the native one. Even in Britain, where a quarter of births are to immigrants, statisticians reckon that immigration has raised overall fertility by a mere 0.08 children per woman.”

Thus immigration might prop up your population today, but it is unlikely to long term....


5. Why are migrant fertility rates falling? The Economist posits a few reasons:

“The fertile immigrant is partly an illusion. Women tend not to move country with babies in tow, explains Gunnar Andersson of Stockholm University: they travel first and then have a child quickly. That makes them seem keener on babies than they really are. Partly, too, the countries that send migrants to the rich world have changed, points out Michael Teitelbaum, a demographer at Harvard Law School. Fertility rates have plunged in both Mexico and Turkey, from more than six children per woman in 1960 to less than three today. Grandma in Oaxaca is probably no longer pushing her emigrant daughter to have a third.

But the big reason immigrants’ birth rates are falling is that they tend to adopt the ways of the host communities. This happens fast: some studies suggest that a girl who migrates before her teens behaves much like a native. Acculturation is so powerful that it can boost birth rates as well as cut them. In England, migrants from high-fertility countries like Nigeria and Somalia have fewer babies than compatriots who stay put. Those from low-fertility countries such as Lithuania and Poland have more.” MercatorNet: Are immigrants a boon for fertility rates?




I tend to suspect 'studies.'

But...if this one 'bears fruit,' so to speak......it would weigh against the Liberal credo' of internationalism.'
Of course, Liberal theology backsthe ending of borders, and mitigation of illegal immigration...

 

[TNHarley]

"....assuming that there are jobs for migrants to fill and that the migrants have the skills to fill them..." and "...migrants tend to have more children than the native population, thus helping the ageing population in generations to come."


But what if these conditions are not met.....?




4. "The collapse of the foreign-born fertility rate is not just a German phenomenon. As the Economist reports:

“Between 2006 and 2013 the fertility rate among Mexicans in America fell by 35%, compared with a drop of 3% among non-Hispanic whites. In the Netherlands, the immigrant fertility rate is now almost exactly the same as the native one. Even in Britain, where a quarter of births are to immigrants, statisticians reckon that immigration has raised overall fertility by a mere 0.08 children per woman.”

Thus immigration might prop up your population today, but it is unlikely to long term....


5. Why are migrant fertility rates falling? The Economist posits a few reasons:

“The fertile immigrant is partly an illusion. Women tend not to move country with babies in tow, explains Gunnar Andersson of Stockholm University: they travel first and then have a child quickly. That makes them seem keener on babies than they really are. Partly, too, the countries that send migrants to the rich world have changed, points out Michael Teitelbaum, a demographer at Harvard Law School. Fertility rates have plunged in both Mexico and Turkey, from more than six children per woman in 1960 to less than three today. Grandma in Oaxaca is probably no longer pushing her emigrant daughter to have a third.

But the big reason immigrants’ birth rates are falling is that they tend to adopt the ways of the host communities. This happens fast: some studies suggest that a girl who migrates before her teens behaves much like a native. Acculturation is so powerful that it can boost birth rates as well as cut them. In England, migrants from high-fertility countries like Nigeria and Somalia have fewer babies than compatriots who stay put. Those from low-fertility countries such as Lithuania and Poland have more.” MercatorNet: Are immigrants a boon for fertility rates?




I tend to suspect 'studies.'

But...if this one 'bears fruit,' so to speak......it would weigh against the Liberal credo' of internationalism.'
Of course, Liberal theology backsthe ending of borders, and mitigation of illegal immigration...

are you confusing liberalism with Marxism?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Who has legalized more illegals : Democrats or republicans?

You seem to have missed this...

One of the cornerstones of Liberalism/Progressivism is that sovereignty must be put aside....or asunder.....and borders eliminated.

There is no such cornerstone.

 

[Jack4jill]

One of the cornerstones of Liberalism/Progressivism is that sovereignty must be put aside....or asunder.....and borders eliminated.

Obama advanced this doctrine this very weekend:
"Obama slammed Trump’s proposal to build a wall along the country’s southern border, saying the world is becoming ever more interconnected and “building walls won’t change that.”
Obama assails Trump’s wall in Rutgers commencement speech


The basis of this is the definition of communism: international socialism.
In fact, it stands as one of the few differences between communism and Nazism (national socialism).



1. There is a powerful argument in favor of the Liberal desire for open borders and a tidal wave of immigration....let's overlook the refusal to differentiate between legal and illegal immigration, the euphemistic 'undocumented immigrants,'.....

.... have a look at a reason in favor of the waves of immigration around the world.

2. "....a nation that it is not willing/able to reproduce itself and pass on its cultural heritage to a new generation? .... the alternative to a country reproducing naturally to reverse demographic decline: immigration.

In particular we’ve circled back to two countries taking a very different tack on immigration as a solution to a dropping population: Germany and Japan.

While the Japanese approach of refusing any large-scale immigration might see the country continue to sink in population, clout and economic strength, we have seen the (perhaps insurmountable?) problems that the German response to the migrant crisis last year has brought.


3. ...the demographic benefit of migration?

One, obviously there is the increase in population: each migrant is another person for the country that he or she moves to. The picture is usually brighter than that, since migrants are often young they are therefore another potential taxpayer and contributor to the finances of their adopted country to help support the increasing health and superannuation bill for the ageing native population.

(This is all assuming that there are jobs for migrants to fill and that the migrants have the skills to fill them.)

Two, migrants tend to have more children than the native population, thus helping the ageing population in generations to come. This view lies behind the claims of authors such as Mark Steyn that Europe is inevitably going to become majority Muslim in the next couple of generations. In short, the largely Muslim migrants will out-breed their non-Muslim compatriots.

"However, according to this report by the Economist, this view might be outdated.....

Focussing on the western-German city of Duisburg, the birth rate of foreign-born women (those holding foreign passports) has dropped precipitously since 1980 until today where native-born Germans are actually more fertile than the foreign-born population (measured as live births per 1000 women aged 15-44 years old).

As the Economist notes this is “saying something” since German women do not have “nearly enough babies to keep the population ticking over naturally”. (Having said that, the last three years on the graph provided with the article show the foreign-born fertility rate tracking upwards so that, if things continue in the same manner, it will overtake the native-born fertility rate in the next couple of years.)" MercatorNet: Are immigrants a boon for fertility rates?




"....assuming that there are jobs for migrants to fill and that the migrants have the skills to fill them..." and "...migrants tend to have more children than the native population, thus helping the ageing population in generations to come."


But what if these conditions are not met.....?


We'll investigate.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Who has legalized more illegals : Democrats or republicans?

You seem to have missed this...

One of the cornerstones of Liberalism/Progressivism is that sovereignty must be put aside....or asunder.....and borders eliminated.

Obama advanced this doctrine this very weekend:
"Obama slammed Trump’s proposal to build a wall along the country’s southern border, saying the world is becoming ever more interconnected and “building walls won’t change that.”
Obama assails Trump’s wall in Rutgers commencement speech


The basis of this is the definition of communism: international socialism.
In fact, it stands as one of the few differences between communism and Nazism (national socialism).




Now....which party follows the dictates of those who wish to end sovereignty, and see immigration as the path that leads there?

Both. Which was OBVIOUSLY my point.
Repubs have legalized more illegals.
The Repubs are the ones that talk shit.
BOTH parties have been hijacked by corporatists that seem to favor foreigners and special interests. NOT the American People.

"Now....which party follows the dictates of those who wish to end sovereignty,..."

"Both. Which was OBVIOUSLY my point."

You point was OBVIOUSLY a bald faced lie.

Greed and the desire for cheap labor may be the one of the weaknesses of the GOP...

...but the political end of America is not their aim.


It is the aim of every leftist system.


Now...for clarity...is your error based on ignorance, or dishonesty?
Speak up.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Who has legalized more illegals : Democrats or republicans?

Doesn't matter, who has, the problem is when do we SHUT THE FUCKING DOOR, and get our own house in order. One side(Liberal morons) want to allow everyone into our once great country so they can fundamentally transform it from a Christian/Judea group of happy people, to a 3rd world latino/Islamic group so then the US is no longer SEEN as a Powerhouse. All you have to do is watch the apologizer in chief go around the world, blame whitie for all the worlds problems, yet once Whitie is gone, the there is all hell to pay. The world is on fire, inner cities burn, dogs want to be cats, and the end is near, or "maybe" 100 years from now. The staypuff marshmallow man is on his way, and he is in the White House. Boy were the liberals wrong with the 1st White black president of the US. Hope and Change, lowering the oceans and heal the planet.

I am very much for Nationalist policies. ESPECIALLY illegals and shit.

Were you raised with understanding of the use of civil language?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Who has legalized more illegals : Democrats or republicans?

Doesn't matter, who has, the problem is when do we SHUT THE FUCKING DOOR, and get our own house in order. One side(Liberal morons) want to allow everyone into our once great country so they can fundamentally transform it from a Christian/Judea group of happy people, to a 3rd world latino/Islamic group so then the US is no longer SEEN as a Powerhouse. All you have to do is watch the apologizer in chief go around the world, blame whitie for all the worlds problems, yet once Whitie is gone, the there is all hell to pay. The world is on fire, inner cities burn, dogs want to be cats, and the end is near, or "maybe" 100 years from now. The staypuff marshmallow man is on his way, and he is in the White House. Boy were the liberals wrong with the 1st White black president of the US. Hope and Change, lowering the oceans and heal the planet.

I am very much for Nationalist policies. ESPECIALLY illegals and shit.

Were you raised with understanding of the use of civil language?

If you are unable to post without profanity....

...please don't bother to post at all.

 

[Jack4jill]

Who has legalized more illegals : Democrats or republicans?

Doesn't matter, who has, the problem is when do we SHUT THE FUCKING DOOR, and get our own house in order. One side(Liberal morons) want to allow everyone into our once great country so they can fundamentally transform it from a Christian/Judea group of happy people, to a 3rd world latino/Islamic group so then the US is no longer SEEN as a Powerhouse. All you have to do is watch the apologizer in chief go around the world, blame whitie for all the worlds problems, yet once Whitie is gone, the there is all hell to pay. The world is on fire, inner cities burn, dogs want to be cats, and the end is near, or "maybe" 100 years from now. The staypuff marshmallow man is on his way, and he is in the White House. Boy were the liberals wrong with the 1st White black president of the US. Hope and Change, lowering the oceans and heal the planet.

I am very much for Nationalist policies. ESPECIALLY illegals and shit.

Were you raised with understanding of the use of civil language?

If you are unable to post without profanity....

...please don't bother to post at all.

GFY, gook.

And, America is a nation of immigrants, that should never change. It keeps the place lively.

 

[TNHarley]

Who has legalized more illegals : Democrats or republicans?

You seem to have missed this...

One of the cornerstones of Liberalism/Progressivism is that sovereignty must be put aside....or asunder.....and borders eliminated.

Obama advanced this doctrine this very weekend:
"Obama slammed Trump’s proposal to build a wall along the country’s southern border, saying the world is becoming ever more interconnected and “building walls won’t change that.”
Obama assails Trump’s wall in Rutgers commencement speech


The basis of this is the definition of communism: international socialism.
In fact, it stands as one of the few differences between communism and Nazism (national socialism).




Now....which party follows the dictates of those who wish to end sovereignty, and see immigration as the path that leads there?

Both. Which was OBVIOUSLY my point.
Repubs have legalized more illegals.
The Repubs are the ones that talk shit.
BOTH parties have been hijacked by corporatists that seem to favor foreigners and special interests. NOT the American People.

"Now....which party follows the dictates of those who wish to end sovereignty,..."

"Both. Which was OBVIOUSLY my point."

You point was OBVIOUSLY a bald faced lie.

Greed and the desire for cheap labor may be the one of the weaknesses of the GOP...

...but the political end of America is not their aim.


It is the aim of every leftist system.


Now...for clarity...is your error based on ignorance, or dishonesty?
Speak up.

You are such a hack.
How is history a lie, moron?
The right has developed trade deals that fucked us, immigration that fucked us and toher various forms that fucked us. Hey nitwit, the GOP is globalist, too.
Wake the fuck up!

 

[TNHarley]

Who has legalized more illegals : Democrats or republicans?

Doesn't matter, who has, the problem is when do we SHUT THE FUCKING DOOR, and get our own house in order. One side(Liberal morons) want to allow everyone into our once great country so they can fundamentally transform it from a Christian/Judea group of happy people, to a 3rd world latino/Islamic group so then the US is no longer SEEN as a Powerhouse. All you have to do is watch the apologizer in chief go around the world, blame whitie for all the worlds problems, yet once Whitie is gone, the there is all hell to pay. The world is on fire, inner cities burn, dogs want to be cats, and the end is near, or "maybe" 100 years from now. The staypuff marshmallow man is on his way, and he is in the White House. Boy were the liberals wrong with the 1st White black president of the US. Hope and Change, lowering the oceans and heal the planet.

I am very much for Nationalist policies. ESPECIALLY illegals and shit.

Were you raised with understanding of the use of civil language?

If you are unable to post without profanity....

...please don't bother to post at all.

Add hypocrite to your list of dishonorable characteristics

 

[PoliticalChic]

"The collapse of the foreign-born fertility rate is not just a German phenomenon. As the Economist reports....


6. “How Civilizations Die,” by David P. Goldman makes a similar argument about dropping birthrates.


"Muslim fertility is shrinking at a rate demographers have never seen before, converging on Europe’s catastrophically low fertility.

1. Iranian women who grew up with five or six siblings will bear only one or two children in their lifetimes.
2. Turkey and Algeria are just behind Iran in this regard, and most of the other Muslim nations are catching up (down?) quickly!
3. By mid-century, the belt of Muslim counties from Morocco to Iran will become as grey as depopulating Europe, and will have the same proportion of dependent elderly as the industrial countries- but with one tenth the productivity!!

7. But, according ot Goldman's thesis....this makes Muslim countries more dangerous:


'Political science is at a loss in the face of demographic decline, and the consequences thereof. Political theory is based on the principle of nations’ rational self-interest…but if a nation is at the doorstep of extinction, we can imagine “Spengler’s Universal Law: A nation at the brink of death does not have a ‘rational self-interest.’”




Conventional geopolitical theory, based on material factors, cannot address how peoples will behave under such existential threats.


Memo to Obama and those who insist on giving nuclear weapons to the homicidal regime in Iran.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Who has legalized more illegals : Democrats or republicans?

Who has legalized more illegals : Democrats or republicans?

The same party who voted more strongly for the 1964 civil rights bill, so what?

People always go on with the bullshit that its only Dems who like illegals. Its not. And if you look at actual policy, the repubs are even WORSE. Look at immigration act of 90'. MONSTROSITY

I didn't say Democrats or Republicans - I said liberals. Shame some people are too stupid to know the difference.
What do you call a liberal Republican? RINO , Maverick, John McCain.
What do you call a conservative Democrat? Traitor, Oreo, Uncle Tom, Joe Libberm

Who has legalized more illegals : Democrats or republicans?

Doesn't matter, who has, the problem is when do we SHUT THE FUCKING DOOR, and get our own house in order. One side(Liberal morons) want to allow everyone into our once great country so they can fundamentally transform it from a Christian/Judea group of happy people, to a 3rd world latino/Islamic group so then the US is no longer SEEN as a Powerhouse. All you have to do is watch the apologizer in chief go around the world, blame whitie for all the worlds problems, yet once Whitie is gone, the there is all hell to pay. The world is on fire, inner cities burn, dogs want to be cats, and the end is near, or "maybe" 100 years from now. The staypuff marshmallow man is on his way, and he is in the White House. Boy were the liberals wrong with the 1st White black president of the US. Hope and Change, lowering the oceans and heal the planet.

I am very much for Nationalist policies. ESPECIALLY illegals and shit.

Were you raised with understanding of the use of civil language?

If you are unable to post without profanity....

...please don't bother to post at all.

GFY, gook.

And, America is a nation of immigrants, that should never change. It keeps the place lively.

America was a nation of immigrants who came here to work, not suck off the teat of liberal welfare policies. Now you are probably a libidiot who sits in his/her/its parents basement getting government cheese, free healthcare from your parents, bitching and moaning how your life sucks to be you. So every one else in America must suck like you, that is "FAIRNESS". Such stupid people who vote dumbocrat.