Radicals Abort Free Speech Rights of Leftists.

[Procrustes Stretched]

Sucks when the Admin has the power AND is pretty darn smart huh Dante?

There's no need to bring Crimson White into an argument.

 

[Gunny]

Again, you are trying to play word games and lump differing ideologies into two categories, right and left. At the same time, you choose to ignore the socialist tenets of fascism, trying to smokescreen with a "conservative fascism" red herring.

True conservatives cannot be fascists. Do bear in mind I did not say NEOCONS, Republicans, religious fundies or just any politician can't be.

Smaller government and government at the lowest level, personal accountability and maximum personal freedom ... all tenets of conservatism AND the US Constitution ... are in direct contrast to fascism and socialism where the state controls all at every level and redistributes wealth as it sees fit.

Or takes over takes over a a private sector auto manufacturer, a bank, healthcare and now is ranting about Wall Street.

What needs to be controlled is Obama and his fearmongering government takeover of the private sector.

Here we go with the pseudo-intellectualism bs excuses that use the "what a true _________(fill in the blank)" can or cannot look like. When we argue ideological differences we have to deal with realities and not what could or should be.

And nobody has taken over "a private sector auto manufacturer, a bank, healthcare" or Wall Street.

gawd, I've never heard a Gunnery Sgt whine so much. Are you sure you ain't a bitch? I know they allow bitches to be Gunnies.

Dealing with realities and mixing and matching words as you choose them to support and confuse your arguments are two VERY different things.

The fact is, you can't address the facts to my statement and made your usual retreat behind a personal attack.

I'd LOVE to see you call my ex a bitch. She'd break you in half.

 

[MaggieMae]

When counter demonstrators show up at these Nazi or Klan rallies they are just giving those hate groups exactly what they want which is attention. It would send a far more powerful message if 50 Neo-Nazis marched through town and no one paid an ounce of attention to them.

I think we should do the same thing with terrorist threats. Whenever bin Laden puts out a video, if the MSM just ignored him, al-Qaeda would have died by lack of interest alone. Ever notice that the timing of those videos usually coincides with another world event being saturated with coverage by the media? OBL can't stand it when he thinks his own cause is losing popularity. Kim Jung Ill does the same thing.

I agree. Just ignore the bastards.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Again, you are trying to play word games and lump differing ideologies into two categories, right and left. At the same time, you choose to ignore the socialist tenets of fascism, trying to smokescreen with a "conservative fascism" red herring.

True conservatives cannot be fascists. Do bear in mind I did not say NEOCONS, Republicans, religious fundies or just any politician can't be.

Smaller government and government at the lowest level, personal accountability and maximum personal freedom ... all tenets of conservatism AND the US Constitution ... are in direct contrast to fascism and socialism where the state controls all at every level and redistributes wealth as it sees fit.

Or takes over takes over a a private sector auto manufacturer, a bank, healthcare and now is ranting about Wall Street.

What needs to be controlled is Obama and his fearmongering government takeover of the private sector.

Here we go with the pseudo-intellectualism bs excuses that use the "what a true _________(fill in the blank)" can or cannot look like. When we argue ideological differences we have to deal with realities and not what could or should be.

And nobody has taken over "a private sector auto manufacturer, a bank, healthcare" or Wall Street.

gawd, I've never heard a Gunnery Sgt whine so much. Are you sure you ain't a bitch? I know they allow bitches to be Gunnies.

Dealing with realities and mixing and matching words as you choose them to support and confuse your arguments are two VERY different things.

The fact is, you can't address the facts to my statement and made your usual retreat behind a personal attack.

I'd LOVE to see you call my ex a bitch. She'd break you in half.

Ive seen you get your ass kicked by posters with shit for brains. If you are as tough in real life as you are here....I'm pretty sure I can sleep with both eyes closed.

 

[Gunny]

When counter demonstrators show up at these Nazi or Klan rallies they are just giving those hate groups exactly what they want which is attention. It would send a far more powerful message if 50 Neo-Nazis marched through town and no one paid an ounce of attention to them.

I think we should do the same thing with terrorist threats. Whenever bin Laden puts out a video, if the MSM just ignored him, al-Qaeda would have died by lack of interest alone. Ever notice that the timing of those videos usually coincides with another world event being saturated with coverage by the media? OBL can't stand it when he thinks his own cause is losing popularity. Kim Jung Ill does the same thing.

I agree. Just ignore the bastards.

Nice logic. We did. Remember 9/11? Kim Jung Il is predictable because he thinks in terms of conventional warfare.

He's inbred and stupid enough to launch a nuke if he doesn't get attention, but his goals are material. He wants handouts.

Bin Laden is different. He's a radical idealist. He can't be bought. Radical idealists are dangerous if you don't have the means to combat them. We, as a society, don't. We're too idealist and stuck to principles that play right into his plans. We play by our rules. He doesn't.

Geronimo, Cochise and Crazy Horse, to name a few, got a lot of mileage out of that.

 

[MaggieMae]

Aren't the Nazi's socialists?

Why are leftists shouting down socialists?

What about free speech?

What about protesting somebody who is exercising their free speech rights?

Nazis called themselves National Socialists, and the USSR called itself socialist, and China calls itself socialist, and Cuba calls itself socialist, and so do many other organizations, governments, etc. But, if you study socialism as a philosophy then you would know that these organizations aren't socialists - they just used the title to dupe the working and lower classes into revolting and putting them into power.

If you want to better understand or see what American socialists believe or think - you can get a pretty good idea looking at the economic and governmental systems of Western democracies in Europe.

ROFLMNAO...

Of ALL the POSSIBLE LESSONS that one could take away from the fact that all of the socialist cultures were the OPPOSITE of what they promised to BE... YOU IDIOTS CONCLUDED THAT THEY WERE NOT SOCIALISTS!

Bad news Scooter... SOCIALIST ARE: LIARS AND FOOLS!

Know what? I think folks of both political persuasion stopped giving a shit what you think. You come across as that motor-mouth wandering the streets with spittle dripping from the chin trying to explain the meaning of life to anyone who stops to listen out of curiosity.

 

[Gunny]

Here we go with the pseudo-intellectualism bs excuses that use the "what a true _________(fill in the blank)" can or cannot look like. When we argue ideological differences we have to deal with realities and not what could or should be.

And nobody has taken over "a private sector auto manufacturer, a bank, healthcare" or Wall Street.

gawd, I've never heard a Gunnery Sgt whine so much. Are you sure you ain't a bitch? I know they allow bitches to be Gunnies.

Dealing with realities and mixing and matching words as you choose them to support and confuse your arguments are two VERY different things.

The fact is, you can't address the facts to my statement and made your usual retreat behind a personal attack.

I'd LOVE to see you call my ex a bitch. She'd break you in half.

Ive seen you get your ass kicked by posters with shit for brains. If you are as tough in real life as you are here....I'm pretty sure I can sleep with both eyes closed.

Now you're just blowing smoke and burying yourself. Go ahead and sleep with both eyes closed.

The facts of my argument you have yet to refute remain.

 

[MaggieMae]

Gunny and others here, have said all socialists are leftists and all socialists are leftists.

Do you disagree with the leftists or the radicals in the story below?

Here is another story of radicals attempting to -- some would say succeeding -- abort the free speech of other Americans:

Apr. 17: A man looks for help as an anti-Nazi crowd converges on him, suspecting him to be a white supremacist, at Los Angeles City Hall.

People here have supported the idea stopping or stifling the voice of the Family Phelps from protesting at the funerals of returning warriors.

Do you support this type of action, action that is counter protesting? Do you support out shouting others who are exercising their rights to free speech---attempting to prevent them from exercising their free speech rights?

Do you support people doing this to the Family Phelps?

I bet lots of people here are on both sides of these issues because they lack firm principles. They posses only a firm sense of ideological lunacy or worse, party affiliation ---over principles

.

Do you support it? You have NEVER complained when Ann Coulter is denied a right to speak. Nor any other Conservative.

What Canada does isn't our problem. A pie aimed at Ann Coulter was an enactment of "freedom of speech" too. No harm, no foul.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Nazis called themselves National Socialists, and the USSR called itself socialist, and China calls itself socialist, and Cuba calls itself socialist, and so do many other organizations, governments, etc. But, if you study socialism as a philosophy then you would know that these organizations aren't socialists - they just used the title to dupe the working and lower classes into revolting and putting them into power.

If you want to better understand or see what American socialists believe or think - you can get a pretty good idea looking at the economic and governmental systems of Western democracies in Europe.

ROFLMNAO...

Of ALL the POSSIBLE LESSONS that one could take away from the fact that all of the socialist cultures were the OPPOSITE of what they promised to BE... YOU IDIOTS CONCLUDED THAT THEY WERE NOT SOCIALISTS!

Bad news Scooter... SOCIALIST ARE: LIARS AND FOOLS!

Know what? I think folks of both political persuasion stopped giving a shit what you think. You come across as that motor-mouth wandering the streets with spittle dripping from the chin trying to explain the meaning of life to anyone who stops to listen out of curiosity.

funny thing is, i thought he was a Gunny in drag

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Dealing with realities and mixing and matching words as you choose them to support and confuse your arguments are two VERY different things.

The fact is, you can't address the facts to my statement and made your usual retreat behind a personal attack.

I'd LOVE to see you call my ex a bitch. She'd break you in half.

Ive seen you get your ass kicked by posters with shit for brains. If you are as tough in real life as you are here....I'm pretty sure I can sleep with both eyes closed.

Now you're just blowing smoke and burying yourself. Go ahead and sleep with both eyes closed.

The facts of my argument you have yet to refute remain.

what argument?

 

[Gunny]

Gunny and others here, have said all socialists are leftists and all socialists are leftists.

Do you disagree with the leftists or the radicals in the story below?

Here is another story of radicals attempting to -- some would say succeeding -- abort the free speech of other Americans:

Apr. 17: A man looks for help as an anti-Nazi crowd converges on him, suspecting him to be a white supremacist, at Los Angeles City Hall.

People here have supported the idea stopping or stifling the voice of the Family Phelps from protesting at the funerals of returning warriors.

Do you support this type of action, action that is counter protesting? Do you support out shouting others who are exercising their rights to free speech---attempting to prevent them from exercising their free speech rights?

Do you support people doing this to the Family Phelps?

I bet lots of people here are on both sides of these issues because they lack firm principles. They posses only a firm sense of ideological lunacy or worse, party affiliation ---over principles

.

Assulating people at funderals is over the top.

If thinking that those people need to be stopped from attacking people in their time is grief makes me a leftist in your definition of the word, then I am proud to be what you imagine is a leftist.

But what make anybody a leftist is this:

YOU advocate giving the GOVERNEMTNT the means of production.

That is the one and ONLY thing that defines a LEFTEST, folks.

Did you misread? I stated in caps .." in the proper forum". You really think I'd tolerate Phelps for a second? There are right-wing biker groups that run his little sissy butt off. He's an idiot.

My point is, there is freedom of speech. IMO, "IN THE PROPER FORUM". The funeral of a vet who laid down his life for this Nation is NOT a proper forum and Phelps is an idiot.

His proper forum is his church where he preaches hate in the name of Christ.

People stupid enough to believe him are stupid enough to deserve him. Last I hear, most of his congregation was his own family. Imagine that.

 

[saveliberty]

Ive seen you get your ass kicked by posters with shit for brains. If you are as tough in real life as you are here....I'm pretty sure I can sleep with both eyes closed.

Now you're just blowing smoke and burying yourself. Go ahead and sleep with both eyes closed.

The facts of my argument you have yet to refute remain.

what argument?

You really should listen to your sock puppet more. He must have got into this argument. Some lame comment about free speech and no principles. Do you frequently forget what you said in less than twenty-four hours? Better sew a name tag on the sock puppet.

 

[Gunny]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...-around-the-second-amendment.html#post2222187

Once again proving what a lying hypocrite piece of dog shit Dante is.

Dante Fevah? take two suck pills and don't call me in the morning, okay?

Stop attention whoring, jerk. You couldn't fight your way out of oxygen if you were up to your neck in water.

 

[Gunny]

ROFLMNAO...

Of ALL the POSSIBLE LESSONS that one could take away from the fact that all of the socialist cultures were the OPPOSITE of what they promised to BE... YOU IDIOTS CONCLUDED THAT THEY WERE NOT SOCIALISTS!

Bad news Scooter... SOCIALIST ARE: LIARS AND FOOLS!

Know what? I think folks of both political persuasion stopped giving a shit what you think. You come across as that motor-mouth wandering the streets with spittle dripping from the chin trying to explain the meaning of life to anyone who stops to listen out of curiosity.

funny thing is, i thought he was a Gunny in drag

He sounds a LOT more like YOU. He's as big an embarrassment to the right as you are to the left.

 

[Gunny]

Now you're just blowing smoke and burying yourself. Go ahead and sleep with both eyes closed.

The facts of my argument you have yet to refute remain.

what argument?

You really should listen to your sock puppet more. He must have got into this argument. Some lame comment about free speech and no principles. Do you frequently forget what you said in less than twenty-four hours? Better sew a name tag on the sock puppet.

He knows better. A sock puppet would be the excuse ...

 

[MaggieMae]

I have not tied Nazi's to socialism. The Nazi's are fascists. The Nazi's tied THEMSELVES to socialism by their own title.

THAT is a FACT.

One of the PRIME tenets of Nazi-ism is "community." Try watching so 1930's newsreels and all the footage of the bourgois eating with privates and workers. The state controlled everything at the national level. Doesn't sound like any conservative tenet I've heard of.

Your convoluted, illogical math, taking statements made at different times in different contexts and trying to play word games just isn't working for you. I call people or their behavior what they are based on those two things, respectively.

Obama has acted like a fascist interfering in both the private sector and now healthcare.

That does not say all Democrats are socialists are fascists. One doesn't have to be all three to be just one. That all three are at different places on the left is just another fact.

you mention conservative tenets to balance out socialist ones. your paradigm has conservatives on one end of the political spectrum and socialists on the other end.

you are saying a fascist is a socialist is a fascist? What about right wing---conservative fascism? does it even exist in your mind?

RW Conservative Fascism...

ROFLMNAO... Pray tell... what would THAT look like?

A strong sense and defense of the immutable principles of the American founding, which is demonstrated by a strong belief in everything that opposes those principles?

LOL...

Oh! Now THAT'S BRILLIANT!

Although the U.S. has never engaged in an extreme form of corporate fascism, a couple of examples would be the subsidies provided to mega corporations like Big Oil, paying big bucks to use private corporations like Blackwater to back up our active military.

It is what it is:
It's the Corporate State, Stupid

The early twentieth century Italians, who invented the word fascism, also had a more descriptive term for the concept -- estato corporativo: the corporatist state. Unfortunately for Americans, we have come to equate fascism with its symptoms, not with its structure. The structure of fascism is corporatism, or the corporate state. The structure of fascism is the union, marriage, merger or fusion of corporate economic power with governmental power. Failing to understand fascism, as the consolidation of corporate economic and governmental power in the hands of a few, is to completely misunderstand what fascism is. It is the consolidation of this power that produces the demagogues and regimes we understand as fascist ones.

 

[Gunny]

Aren't the Nazi's socialists?

Why are leftists shouting down socialists?

What about free speech?

What about protesting somebody who is exercising their free speech rights?

Nazis called themselves National Socialists, and the USSR called itself socialist, and China calls itself socialist, and Cuba calls itself socialist, and so do many other organizations, governments, etc. But, if you study socialism as a philosophy then you would know that these organizations aren't socialists - they just used the title to dupe the working and lower classes into revolting and putting them into power.

If you want to better understand or see what American socialists believe or think - you can get a pretty good idea looking at the economic and governmental systems of Western democracies in Europe.

ROFLMNAO...

Of ALL the POSSIBLE LESSONS that one could take away from the fact that all of the socialist cultures were the OPPOSITE of what they promised to BE... YOU IDIOTS CONCLUDED THAT THEY WERE NOT SOCIALISTS!

Bad news Scooter... SOCIALIST ARE: LIARS AND FOOLS!

There has never been, and never will be because man is involved, a true socialist culture.

You CAN have a truly stupid, self-serving government that pits the people against each other with faux arguments to hide their rape of our wallets.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Gunny and others here, have said all socialists are leftists and all socialists are leftists.

Do you disagree with the leftists or the radicals in the story below?

Here is another story of radicals attempting to -- some would say succeeding -- abort the free speech of other Americans:

Apr. 17: A man looks for help as an anti-Nazi crowd converges on him, suspecting him to be a white supremacist, at Los Angeles City Hall.

People here have supported the idea stopping or stifling the voice of the Family Phelps from protesting at the funerals of returning warriors.

Do you support this type of action, action that is counter protesting? Do you support out shouting others who are exercising their rights to free speech---attempting to prevent them from exercising their free speech rights?

Do you support people doing this to the Family Phelps?

I bet lots of people here are on both sides of these issues because they lack firm principles. They posses only a firm sense of ideological lunacy or worse, party affiliation ---over principles

.

Assulating people at funderals is over the top.

If thinking that those people need to be stopped from attacking people in their time is grief makes me a leftist in your definition of the word, then I am proud to be what you imagine is a leftist.

But what make anybody a leftist is this:

YOU advocate giving the GOVERNEMTNT the means of production.

That is the one and ONLY thing that defines a LEFTEST, folks.

Did you misread? I stated in caps .." in the proper forum". You really think I'd tolerate Phelps for a second? There are right-wing biker groups that run his little sissy butt off. He's an idiot.

My point is, there is freedom of speech. IMO, "IN THE PROPER FORUM". The funeral of a vet who laid down his life for this Nation is NOT a proper forum and Phelps is an idiot.

His proper forum is his church where he preaches hate in the name of Christ.

People stupid enough to believe him are stupid enough to deserve him. Last I hear, most of his congregation was his own family. Imagine that.

I say if Phelps belongs in his Church, so do all the preachers. Good thing you weren't around when MLK was taking his church to the streets.


I dislike Phelps too. I also think he has the right to do what he does. I also think people who break the law in pushing him out of town are to be admired, but that does not make me clean. Some times sticking to a principle over another principle demands getting into the mud.

I think you pulled on part out of a post and ran with it. very typical tactic of right wing lunatics

 

[MaggieMae]

When counter demonstrators show up at these Nazi or Klan rallies they are just giving those hate groups exactly what they want which is attention. It would send a far more powerful message if 50 Neo-Nazis marched through town and no one paid an ounce of attention to them.

Uh...Ya.....That strategy worked out real well for the Jews in Germany and Poland.

Good call.

Sorry. I didn't realize the Neo-Nazis in LA were marching down the streets with tanks and machine guns, rounding people up like cattle, and shipping them off to gas chambers.

I'm sure there are some members who wish they could. The History Channel often re-runs a series called "Nazis in America" or you can download all the segments. It might open your eyes.

History Channel - NAZI America. A Secret History - 1h30min.asf Torrent Download

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Know what? I think folks of both political persuasion stopped giving a shit what you think. You come across as that motor-mouth wandering the streets with spittle dripping from the chin trying to explain the meaning of life to anyone who stops to listen out of curiosity.

funny thing is, i thought he was a Gunny in drag

He sounds a LOT more like YOU. He's as big an embarrassment to the right as you are to the left.

Ahem, I'm not on the left.

see?

this is where you expose yourself as a right wing douchebagh.