And were exactly does it say that Israelis are not civilians then. I have read it and have never seen those words in any copy of the Geneva conventions.
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And were exactly does it say that Israelis are not civilians then. I have read it and have never seen those words in any copy of the Geneva conventions.
Hossfly
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Do you still believe that BS? Since when are people who aren't in the military not a civilian? That's a dumbass idea.
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To show how totally KNEE JERK and pointless the Zionist contingent on this website can be .... dismissing even an Israeli film as "Islamonazi propaganda," (guys, can't you even think??)
I was going to say "heck, I really CAN'T see her either!"
As far as I am concerned, that individual bulldozer operator is off the hook until somebody shows me otherwise.
But my next question is about operating such b-dozers in close quarters in civilian areas and the inherent disregard for human life entailed in so doing.
I was going to say "heck, I really CAN'T see her either!"
As far as I am concerned, that individual bulldozer operator is off the hook until somebody shows me otherwise.
But my next question is about operating such b-dozers in close quarters in civilian areas and the inherent disregard for human life entailed in so doing.
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Hoss, I frequently think you are a good natured old soul who just doesn't have much knowledge about these things. You seem to base your comments on wholesale uncritical acceptance of Zionist propaganda. Virtually the ENTIRE Israeli population is considered to at least to have a military role, not by Israel's critics, but BY ISRAEL.
From Wikipedia:
In the past, the age of exemption from reserve duty by the Defense Service Law (חוק שירות ביטחון [נוסח משולב], התשמ"ו-1986) was 54 for men and 38 for women; nevertheless, it was not possible to call up reservists over 41 years of age who had served in a combat unit in the last 10 years or more, or reserve soldiers over the age of 48 who had served in a combat unit for at least 20 years, unless they gave consent for this to happen. Over the years, the IDF has lowered the maximum age at which male reservists are called for reserve duty service,[3] so that the earliest age of exemption for males has become 40 for regular soldiers, 42 for combat officers, 45 for non-combat officers, 48 for soldiers serving in the Regional Defense units (הגמ"רand in non-military reservist units, and 51 years-of-age for the reservists serving as physicians in their reserve duty. In 2008 the Knesset approved the Reserve Service Law (חוק שירות המילואים, התשס"ח-2008) which came into effect on 1 August 2008. Accordingly, the age of exemption from reserve duty was reduced for all males, and as a result, ever since then it has stood at 40 for all soldiers, 45 for officers, and 49 for reservists who perform certain specific duties defined as such by the Minister of Defense and approved by the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee (this mostly includes officials in the medical branch, drivers of heavy equipment, mechanics and technicians[4]).
Settlers in the occupied territories:
Israel's Policy of Arming Israeli Settlers Endangers Palestinians in the Territories ? Foundation for Middle East Peace
and:
Land and Settlement Issues
Finally, see this:
When Israel?s military aggression against Palestinians becomes civilian aggression | +972 Magazine
and this:
Israeli army "subcontracted" by extremist settlers | The Electronic Intifada
Hossfly
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The bulldozers were demolishing tunnel diggers homes. The area is as dangerous as the deck of an aircraft carrier. Only fools would be on the ground around dozers.
Hossfly
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Although I am retired military, subject to be activated for the next 5 months, (till age 75), I am considered to be a civilian. Israeli civilians in that category are civilians too. But if you want to attack them as combatants, be my guest. It's your skinny butt that'll pay the price.
Hoss, I frequently think you are a good natured old soul who just doesn't have much knowledge about these things. You seem to base your comments on wholesale uncritical acceptance of Zionist propaganda. Virtually the ENTIRE Israeli population is considered to at least to have a military role, not by Israel's critics, but BY ISRAEL.
From Wikipedia:
In the past, the age of exemption from reserve duty by the Defense Service Law (חוק שירות ביטחון [נוסח משולב], התשמ"ו-1986) was 54 for men and 38 for women; nevertheless, it was not possible to call up reservists over 41 years of age who had served in a combat unit in the last 10 years or more, or reserve soldiers over the age of 48 who had served in a combat unit for at least 20 years, unless they gave consent for this to happen. Over the years, the IDF has lowered the maximum age at which male reservists are called for reserve duty service,[3] so that the earliest age of exemption for males has become 40 for regular soldiers, 42 for combat officers, 45 for non-combat officers, 48 for soldiers serving in the Regional Defense units (הגמ"ר
Settlers in the occupied territories:
Israel's Policy of Arming Israeli Settlers Endangers Palestinians in the Territories ? Foundation for Middle East Peace
and:
Land and Settlement Issues
Finally, see this:
When Israel?s military aggression against Palestinians becomes civilian aggression | +972 Magazine
and this:
Israeli army "subcontracted" by extremist settlers | The Electronic Intifada
P F Tinmore
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Not true. You need to read up.
amity1844
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This is the ISM's charter and reason for its existence: to serve as both witness and deterrent in areas where human rights are being violated. There's an element of risk, yes, and they know that. but let's also highlight that it is a risk foisted upon Palestinians who live in these areas, whether they choose it or not.
I feel Rachel Corrie died a pretty good death and I admire her, not for her nimble avoidance of bulldozers (?!?!?!?), but for her courage and for the content of an interview she did before her death:
She would have done more good had she survived, but her death wasn't in vain.
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Hoss, I frequently think you are a good natured old soul who just doesn't have much knowledge about these things. You seem to base your comments on wholesale uncritical acceptance of Zionist propaganda. Virtually the ENTIRE Israeli population is considered to at least to have a military role, not by Israel's critics, but BY ISRAEL.
From Wikipedia:
In the past, the age of exemption from reserve duty by the Defense Service Law (חוק שירות ביטחון [נוסח משולב], התשמ"ו-1986) was 54 for men and 38 for women; nevertheless, it was not possible to call up reservists over 41 years of age who had served in a combat unit in the last 10 years or more, or reserve soldiers over the age of 48 who had served in a combat unit for at least 20 years, unless they gave consent for this to happen. Over the years, the IDF has lowered the maximum age at which male reservists are called for reserve duty service,[3] so that the earliest age of exemption for males has become 40 for regular soldiers, 42 for combat officers, 45 for non-combat officers, 48 for soldiers serving in the Regional Defense units (הגמ"ר
Settlers in the occupied territories:
Israel's Policy of Arming Israeli Settlers Endangers Palestinians in the Territories ? Foundation for Middle East Peace
and:
Land and Settlement Issues
Finally, see this:
When Israel?s military aggression against Palestinians becomes civilian aggression | +972 Magazine
and this:
Israeli army "subcontracted" by extremist settlers | The Electronic Intifada
At the same time it is understood by all muslims that they are soldiers in the Islamic armed forces acting on the commands of allah. So does this not mean that they are also not covered by the Geneva conventions. That is every man, woman and child.
Very similar rules in the UK, USA, EU and Asia it is called conscription, so what is your point in singling out Israel in a racist manner.
I take it you oppose Jews defending themselves from ISLAMONAZI TERRORISTS, MAKING YOU A TWO FACED RACIST
I did and that is why the bulldozer was there, at the request of the Egyptian military because they had pin pointed the tunnel exit in the landscaped area.
She would have faced arrest and possibly prison for her treasonous act of burning the American flag. Her death was engineered by her fellow ISM members because they knew she faced arrest for treason. There was no need for them to be on the gaza Egyptian border when the tunnel entrance was being filled in and collapsed, The house they were allegedly saving from destruction was in fact no where near the bulldozer and was not destined to be bulldozed.
I read your literature when I was a child----circa 1960---
it was written by Nazi war criminals who found refuge in
places like Egypt and Syria. I heard it again when I ran
into lots of young educated muslims from
south east asia----circa 1970------and I am still reading
it-----in various permutations ----on the net-----from various
writings----including yours
It takes an even bigger level of asshole to go to a market, a store, a bar, a nightclub, a whatever business you wish to name, and blow yourself, and a whole host of children and families up.
P F Tinmore
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Link?
MikeK
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You have no idea what you are talking about. The fact is a bulldozer, any bulldozer, can "stop on a dime" and the only momentum effect will be a slight forward tilt of the blade.
My MOS in the Marine Corps was 1345 (Engineer). I operated an International Harvester TD18-A (A for Armored) bulldozer for four years. I do know what I'm talking about and I'm telling you that unless the operator of that machine was asleep or blind Rachel Corrie was deliberately crushed. There is no way he could not have seen her.
Just look at the photos that were shot moments before Corrie was plowed under and understand that a bulldozer moves at a crawl and will stop instantly when its brakes are applied.
amity1844
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I'm tired of the idiocy. Everyone, please DITCH this crapola thinking for long enough to go right out and find a video made by Palestinian Muslims and judge for yourselves if this slander (above) rings true or not.
Tinmore got me interested in Sleepless in Gaza ... and Jerusalem, so I'll post a couple of them them; they've got 86 of them out so far. One of their correspondents is Christian, the others are all purported IslamoNazi terrorists:
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MikeK
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If you stand in front of a bulldozer and think you can stop it -- you can't. But the operator can, which is the point in this controversy. If you know an experienced bulldozer operator, show him the photos of Corrie taken immediately before she was plowed down and ask him two questions:
1) Is it possible the operator could not see her?
2) Could he have stopped that machine in plenty of time to avoid contact with her?
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