Penelope
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You silly little twat. Nobody is trying to justify 9/11, and even if the monsters who attacked us were Muslim, that doesn't make the entire Muslim religion, or all Muslims responsible for it. Your own link showed the FBI has determined Muslims are the 2nd largest group of victims of religiously motivated hate crimes. Your hateful crap isn't justified.
"....even if the monsters who attacked us were Muslim, that doesn't make the entire Muslim religion, or all Muslims responsible for it."
Quran 4:89: "They (infidels) desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper."
Quran 8:12: "Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers;"
Quran 2:191: "... kill the disbelievers wherever we find them
Quran 22:19-22: "… for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods."
Quran 8:12: "Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: 'I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.'"
Qur'an:8:12 "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."
Quran 8:7: "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: 'Wipe the infidels out to the last.'"
Quran 8:59: "The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah's enemy."
Quran 8:60: "Prepare against them whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah, and others besides them not known to you."
Quran 9.29" "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."
Quran 47:4: "Strike off the heads of the disbelievers" and, after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives."
Hadith Sahih Muslim (41:6985): "Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: 'The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.'"
Quran 9:5: "When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Sura 3:151: "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers for that they joined companions with Allah for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the fire; and evil is the home of the wrong-doers!"
Sura 8:60: "Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power including steeds of war to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides whom ye may not know but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah shall be repaid unto you and ye shall not be treated unjustly."
Tabari IX "Allah permits you to shut them (women) in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Quran."
Tabari I:280: "Allah said, 'It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.' Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid."
Ishaq:327: "Allah said, 'A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.'"
These quotations are not out of context. They are representative of dozens and dozens of other messages in the Islamic "holy" texts. Clearly, they have inspired the violent and hateful behavior of followers.
I know there are many peaceful Muslims who view them allegorically rather than literally. Yet, is it outside the bounds of civil public discourse to challenge such statements?
I think it would be irresponsible to ignore how the Quran instructs its followers.
Why not quote some OT verses while your at it. Or better yet some of the Talmud which is the real book for Jews.
"Why not quote some OT verses while your at it."
Because modern Jews and Christian have reformed, and treat same as allegory rather than contemporary mandates.
While that is true for some...perhaps most....Muslims...
Reza Aslan's view holds....
1. Reza Aslan(Persian:رضا اصلان,IPA: [ˈɾezɒː æsˈlɒːn]; born May 3, 1972) is anIranian-Americanauthor, commentator and religious scholar. He has written two books on religion:No god but God: The Origins, Evolution, and Future of IslamandZealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth.
Aslan was born into a Shia Muslimfamily.[32]He converted toevangelical Christianityat the age of 15,[5]and converted back toIslamthe summer before attending Harvard.[6]"
Reza Aslan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
He explains his religion thus:
" For a kid raised in a motley family of lukewarm Muslim sand exuberant atheists,....
In Iran, the place of my birth, I was Muslim in much the way I was Persian. My religion and my ethnicity were mutual and linked.
After the Iranian revolution forced my family to flee our home, religion in general, and Islam in particular became taboo in our household. Islam was shorthand for every thing we had lost to the mullahs who now ruled Iran.
2. But....what you would like to hide...is this:
"Islam is a peaceful religion because most Muslims live peacefully and that only a "tiny minority of extremists" practice violence? That's like saying that White supremacy must be perfectly fine since only a tiny minority of racists ever hurt anyone. Neither does it explain why religious violence is largely endemic to Islam, despite the tremendous persecution of religious minorities in Muslim countries.
In truth, even a tiny minority of "1%" of Muslims worldwide translates to 15 million believers - which is hardly an insignificant number. However, the "minority" of Muslims who approve of terrorists, their goals, or their means of achieving them is much greater than this. In fact, it isn't even a true minority in some cases, depending on how goals and targets are defined. "Muslim Opinion Polls
Unfortunately...it is well more than 1%
What happens in Riyadh stays in Riyadh,... along with your hands.
Yes I have his book Zealot. While its true some depressed Muslims use weapons, Zionist and some Christians use money, when one is depressed such as the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza they become angry.
"... some depressed Muslims use weapons,Zionist and some Christians use money, when one is depressed such as the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza they become angry."
'Angry' equals the right to slaughter innocent human beings?
Really?
Using money...which the Supreme Court equated to free speech, is like killing people???
Here is an example of same:
"NEVE DEKALIM, Gaza Strip — Palestinians looted dozens of greenhouses on Tuesday, walking off with irrigation hoses, water pumps and plastic sheeting in a blow to fledgling efforts to reconstruct the Gaza Strip.
American Jewish donors had bought more than 3,000 greenhouses from Israeli settlers in Gaza for $14 million last month and transferred them to the Palestinian Authority. Former World Bank President James Wolfensohn, who brokered the deal, put up $500,000 of his own cash."
Looters strip Gaza greenhouses
First off the jewish settlements had no business in Gaza and maybe they didn't want to be indebted to Zionist. We have interfered so much in Arab countries its sickening. What Zionist are doing to Palestinians is sickening, so don't expect Palestinians to kiss up to the Zionist. They don't want to be owned like the West Bank.