Question for Left-Leaning Individuals: Democrats, Socialists, Liberals, Marxists, Communists, Big-Government, One-Worlders, Etc.

[candycorn]

Thanks for the response. If loopholes were closed, would that be considered enough? It seems many think that would be a miracle cure for everything. I would have to think the left wants more from the wealthy than simply closing loopholes. Considering they pay for just about everything, I'm curious what more they desire.

There are irrational actors of every political stripe. I can’t speak to them; just myself. It seems to me that every dollar that flows into your pocket should be taxed (if there are going to be taxes) at the same rate regardless of what put it there. If you borrow your yearly expenses...it is taxed just like if you were working at JC Penny or Ford Motor Company. If your inherit the money and it goes into your pocket, it is taxed just like if you were working at JC Penny or Ford Motor Company. If you sell your stock or get dividend income...it is taxed just like if you were working at JC Penny or Ford Motor Company.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Yeah...you guys injured 140 cops to stop an election you lost from becoming certified. The people who recently protested at the capitol didn’t do that.

Please quote “the left” about the protections that Biden supposedly deserves.

Cops shot an unarmed women in the neck which resulted in outright murder. Not even a slap on the wrist. I know, I know ... you don't want to hear the harsh facts.

 

[candycorn]

Cops shot an unarmed women in the neck which resulted in outright murder.

A cop did his job. The same thing any security guard would do. And frankly, more cops should have done more of that on 1/6--as well as the BLM riots in the summer.

Not even a slap on the wrist. I know, I know ... you don't want to hear the harsh facts.

So you’re comparing that sit in last week to your folks who sprayed bear spray, assaulted police officers with bats and aluminum rods, and did like a billion dollars in damage.

And you wonder why you can’t get anyone to answer your “legitimate” question?

 

[ScorpioRising007]

This is a legitimate question for anyone who considers himself/herself a "left-leaning" person.

I realize that not all left-leaning folks agree with each other on all issues. Same is true of Conservatives (although I believe that we're more willing to voice our disagreements than lefties are). But generally speaking, what is it about the left's ideology or philosophy that appeals to you the most? List a few things that you truly believe the left has right as opposed to the counterpoints offered by the right.

I often have enjoyed the ideas of communism and socialism. I think they are superior to the system in the states now. As I have said before I have had both Jewish and Muslim friends in my life. On this forum people seem to side either with Isreal or the Muslims, but I side with neither and stay neutral. One thing I agreed with some of my Jewish friends was the ideas some felt toward communism and socialism and more their left viewpoints. Throughout history many Jews have supported communism and socialism. Bernie Sanders one of my all time favorite politicians is Jewish and supports socialism ideas, I think Bernie has some brilliant ideas and would be our best president. A very smart man, smarter that many conservatives.

I also believe the left is correct on the idea of gay rights, gay marriage, bisexualisty, transgenders. Long have these individuals been unfairly treated and discriminated against in our society. I fully support gay marriage, transgenders marrying, even 30 year old's marrying 16 year old girls/boys with parents consent.

I fully support and believe in the legalization of drugs. I believe people should have the right to use drugs if they want to. Also if it is legalized that's money going into our economy rather than in drug dealers pockets.

I fully support socialized medicine, other countries do it why can't America? The government should pay for the cost of healthcare for everyone.

I believe in government housing and the government paying for housing for anyone who needs it. We need more social welfare programs not less.

I believe that prostitution should be legalized. Again an idea the right would never consider.

I believe in implementing a universal basic income for everyone, the government gives you a paycheck for the year regardless if you work or not. Again absolute necessity to help those who are poor an idea the right seems to always shoot down.

I fully support illegal immigrants from Mexico having an easier pathway to citizenship. They would only help our society as a whole, not hurt it.

I believe in minimum wage laws and raising the minimum wage in many states. Again an idea the right seems very opposed to.

I believe in climate change and we should take steps to combat it. Most scientists are concerned about it. Even Bill Gates is concerned about climate change. Most right wingers shoot it down, say it doesn't exist or isn't as big of a problem as the left claims.

I believe electric cars are the future and fully support more being made and phasing out gasoline cars. Again an idea some of the right oppose.

I believe cashless bail for minor offenses is a brilliant idea. Again an idea the right opposes.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Unfortunately, I believe that I HAVE been listening to the lefties on this site and, for the most part, they're either incoherent; uninformed; or have too much idle time on their hands. Very, very rarely does a leftie wish to post a well-thought-out response to anything. Some are better than others.

Thank you for the complimentary acknowledgement. That is about the most that I expected. Clearly we are residing in different realities and there is not much hope of our agreeing on much. It is not so much that we differ on facts but that we differ on philosophy and the role off government, I will comment selectively on the rest of your post as time and inclination allows but I am not sure what the point is

 

[jbander]

The way I look at it, the big corporations have total control over us, and we get no say.
If instead we were to socialize, like health care, then we would have some control and say over what they could charge and do.

The right is correct to worry about the dangers of big government, and local control is always desirable.
But big corporations are more of the threat to our rights than any government could ever be, as long as we are allowed to still vote.

The one thing about local and state control ' it allows the right to purposely be totally against education so they can keep the state population stupid being a prime drive in getting them to vote red. All you have to do is look at red states around this country to see whatr a disaster the right is in governing these states ---------------------all the worst places to live are in red states. Most bigots , most white supremisist , most hate , worst education, worst standard of living, worst place to raise a family , most dangerous place to live, most rapes, most homicides , most homicides by gun, most crime across the board ,they are the top welfare states and by far get way more money from the fed then they pay in , by the way being paid by blue states. Hell without blue states red states wouldn't even be civilized , worst education, lowest pay, stupidest people. What a hoot, Don't come with “they have blue cities in them” , if that was the case then the worst states would be blue states with blue city's in them , but that's not the case , you have to be an idiot to live in a red state. We must add there are 13 states that are literally worse for crime than New York , and they are all red states. The hate party should never open their mouth on this subject because the facts bury their dumb asses.

 

[jbander]

I often have enjoyed the ideas of communism and socialism. I think they are superior to the system in the states now. As I have said before I have had both Jewish and Muslim friends in my life. On this forum people seem to side either with Isreal or the Muslims, but I side with neither and stay neutral. One thing I agreed with some of my Jewish friends was the ideas some felt toward communism and socialism and more their left viewpoints. Throughout history many Jews have supported communism and socialism. Bernie Sanders one of my all time favorite politicians is Jewish and supports socialism ideas, I think Bernie has some brilliant ideas and would be our best president. A very smart man, smarter that many conservatives.

I also believe the left is correct on the idea of gay rights, gay marriage, bisexualisty, transgenders. Long have these individuals been unfairly treated and discriminated against in our society. I fully support gay marriage, transgenders marrying, even 30 year old's marrying 16 year old girls/boys with parents consent.

I fully support and believe in the legalization of drugs. I believe people should have the right to use drugs if they want to. Also if it is legalized that's money going into our economy rather than in drug dealers pockets.

I fully support socialized medicine, other countries do it why can't America? The government should pay for the cost of healthcare for everyone.

I believe in government housing and the government paying for housing for anyone who needs it. We need more social welfare programs not less.

I believe that prostitution should be legalized. Again an idea the right would never consider.

I believe in implementing a universal basic income for everyone, the government gives you a paycheck for the year regardless if you work or not. Again absolute necessity to help those who are poor an idea the right seems to always shoot down.

I fully support illegal immigrants from Mexico having an easier pathway to citizenship. They would only help our society as a whole, not hurt it.

I believe in minimum wage laws and raising the minimum wage in many states. Again an idea the right seems very opposed to.

I believe in climate change and we should take steps to combat it. Most scientists are concerned about it. Even Bill Gates is concerned about climate change. Most right wingers shoot it down, say it doesn't exist or isn't as big of a problem as the left claims.

I believe electric cars are the future and fully support more being made and phasing out gasoline cars. Again an idea some of the right oppose.

I believe cashless bail for minor offenses is a brilliant idea. Again an idea the right opposes.

My friend the only way you can make the definition of socialism communism, Marxism work for you is if you define what it means yourself .problem is they already have a definition and that definition get a chuckle at your definition of socialism communism and Marxism. Example their has never been a communist country in the world and their never will be , that is if you use the definition of communism that was created by Carl Marx.
Got a question about socialism for you, has anyone ever come up to you and said I think it would be a good idea if government took over ownership and control of all business and the sales of their production should be designated to the state also . I never have and without this prime tenant there is no socialism, You are puttin the word socialism on government spending on programs for the people of their country. But the fact is that government even before the time of the Roman empire have had programs for the population to help them get by, so it seems you are suggesting that socialism goes back thousands of years. It doesn't. I always get a chuckle out of this , This is the prime stupid right wing attack on democrats. Stupid and ignorant as it is but that's their crap. Don't help or support their stupidity.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

This is a legitimate question for anyone who considers himself/herself a "left-leaning" person.

I realize that not all left-leaning folks agree with each other on all issues. Same is true of Conservatives (although I believe that we're more willing to voice our disagreements than lefties are). But generally speaking, what is it about the left's ideology or philosophy that appeals to you the most? List a few things that you truly believe the left has right as opposed to the counterpoints offered by the right.

We're tarded?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The 80'S Military buildup was the nail that broke the board. Deny all you want.

90's new york improved vastly, giving us the NY of the 2000's and early 2010's until DeBlasio fucked it up

Hamas' attack was in response to the accords, as a last gasp because they were removed from the peace process.

Figured you would dismiss them all with tired SJW hackery.

Your responses have been measured, and found wanting.

Hamas' attack was due, in whole, to democrats. Shitstain obama sent pallets of cash to Iran that they spent arming terrorist networks. But the final go ahead was the complete Afghanistan **** up. That was the final signal that America is undefended.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

This is a legitimate question for anyone who considers himself/herself a "left-leaning" person.

I realize that not all left-leaning folks agree with each other on all issues. Same is true of Conservatives (although I believe that we're more willing to voice our disagreements than lefties are). But generally speaking, what is it about the left's ideology or philosophy that appeals to you the most? List a few things that you truly believe the left has right as opposed to the counterpoints offered by the right.

I’m a traditional Democrat, but I reject the insanity of the new left, the idea that white people are privileged is so evil and destructive. It literally doesn’t make any sense there are hundreds of thousands of white people homeless living on the streets. I can’t wrap my head around it. There can be no supporting it logically and yet some Democrats support that idea. It doesn’t bring the races together. It divides us

Cancel culture, white privilege, BLM all dangerous ideas for the country. They do not bring people together.

I don’t know why some left-wing people support that stuff I guess it makes them feel good?

 

[toobfreak]

Question for Left-Leaning Individuals: Democrats, Socialists, Liberals, Marxists, Communists, Big-Government, One-Worlders, Etc.​

So . . . basically: DEMOCRATS.

Note that you can't be a socialist, a communist, a Marxist, or a One-Worlder and be an American. Like Palestinians to Israelis, you are an enemy to America.

 

[Laslow]

If the Youth Still Believe in Indentured-Servitude Education, Their Rebellion Is Weak

What gives the employers the right to tell us, "To Get a Good Job, Get a Good Education"? We create their jobs and their wealth, so we should be the ones telling them, "To Get the Best Employees, Give the Best Talent the Same Paid-Up Tuition and Adult Allowance You Give Your Fortunate Sons."

You most definitely do not create their jobs. If you want to start a business, and create a livlihood for others, be my guest, but please don't pretend that just by existing, you are special. You want a good job, have a useful skill. That has nothing to do with the employer either. That is on you.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Hamas' attack was due, in whole, to democrats. Shitstain obama sent pallets of cash to Iran that they spent arming terrorist networks. But the final go ahead was the complete Afghanistan **** up. That was the final signal that America is undefended.

Trump was on the right track. Cutting down on avenues money could flow into the coffers of Hamas. Without funds, they are useless.

 

[JoeB131]

This is a legitimate question for anyone who considers himself/herself a "left-leaning" person.

I realize that not all left-leaning folks agree with each other on all issues. Same is true of Conservatives (although I believe that we're more willing to voice our disagreements than lefties are). But generally speaking, what is it about the left's ideology or philosophy that appeals to you the most? List a few things that you truly believe the left has right as opposed to the counterpoints offered by the right.

Workers rights. The Left advocates for the working class, while the Right advocates for the Investor Class.

I could end it right there, and if people voted for their economic interests, the Democrats would win every election.

So then you get to the social issues. Frankly, I'm a white, straight, Cisgendered male, and the thing about social issues is that I probably could get through life not caring about them all that much. Other people having gay sex has no effect on your life or mine, but man, you guys are infuriated it's happening at all! This is how the right gets you to vote against your own economic interests. Same with abortion. If you don't like abortion, don't have one.

Then, there is the matter of simple competence. Republicans **** things up. Trump, Bush-43, Bush-41, Ford, and Nixon all left the economy in flaming messes when they left office, which is why three of them were voted out, and one was forced to resign. Biden has left the economy in better shape than the one he found. Sure, inflation is higher, but unemployment is lower. Obama left the economy in better shape than he found it. I didn't find myself out of work one day that Obama was president. Clinton, despite being an execrable human being, left the economy in better shape than the one he inherited. Even Jimmy Carter, for all the grief he gets, had a slightly better economy than the one he inherited from Ford.

 

[sealybobo]

Green Is the Color of Their Daddies' Money

Pitchfork-skewerable Preppies are behind all this backward-leaning lifestyle they mandate for the plebeians. They love the totalitarian power their hereditary class had back in the stagnant Middle Ages. We need to send them back to the crumbling castles of Europe where they belong.

Caste must be cast into the darkest dungeon and disappear forever. The promise of a "New Order of the Ages" (novus ordo seclorum on your dollar bill) was broken when the Founding Fodder refused to abolish the right to inheritance. Half of them were empowered solely by that; the other half, such as Alexander Hamilton, married into it.

Well in my brothers defense he was born poor and made himself into the millionaire he is now. Isn't it great we live in a country where you can do that? And you want to do what to them because you are jealous?

 

[Laslow]

Workers rights. The Left advocates for the working class, while the Right advocates for the Investor Class.

I could end it right there, and if people voted for their economic interests, the Democrats would win every election.

So then you get to the social issues. Frankly, I'm a white, straight, Cisgendered male, and the thing about social issues is that I probably could get through life not caring about them all that much. Other people having gay sex has no effect on your life or mine, but man, you guys are infuriated it's happening at all! This is how the right gets you to vote against your own economic interests. Same with abortion. If you don't like abortion, don't have one.

Then, there is the matter of simple competence. Republicans **** things up. Trump, Bush-43, Bush-41, Ford, and Nixon all left the economy in flaming messes when they left office, which is why three of them were voted out, and one was forced to resign. Biden has left the economy in better shape than the one he found. Sure, inflation is higher, but unemployment is lower. Obama left the economy in better shape than he found it. I didn't find myself out of work one day that Obama was president. Clinton, despite being an execrable human being, left the economy in better shape than the one he inherited. Even Jimmy Carter, for all the grief he gets, had a slightly better economy than the one he inherited from Ford.

Economically, it seems like workers should choose republicans so that they can keep their earnings. The government loves to give workers' money to everyone but them. I get that unions help some, but what about everyone else?

 

[Laslow]

Just an excuse for the government to tax it more so we use even less.

The green thing is the perfect scam. Instead of saying everyone else is some 'ist', it gives them an actual identity. Young people think they are saving the planet, it gives them a cause. Too bad it isn't true. The government doesn't give a crap about the environment and it is raking in votes and slush fund money.

 

[Laslow]

The way I look at it, the big corporations have total control over us, and we get no say.
If instead we were to socialize, like health care, then we would have some control and say over what they could charge and do.

The right is correct to worry about the dangers of big government, and local control is always desirable.
But big corporations are more of the threat to our rights than any government could ever be, as long as we are allowed to still vote.

Sounds like a no win situation. People lose both ways. I fear government abuse more than private sector abuse. Real world has consequences for error. The government has no consequences for being terrible.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

You know what's funny? They first sold people on cars by telling them they were green. No more horse shit in town.

Sissyboy Preppies Hate and Fear All Masculine Images


Back then, the pitchfork-skewerable ruling class opposed common people having cars because control of such a powerful vehicle would increase a plebeian driver's sense of manhood. Henry Ford, who wasn't born rich like his parasite descendants, defied that attempt at emasculation and also paid his workers enough so that they, too, could afford to buy cars.

 

[JoeB131]

Economically, it seems like workers should choose republicans so that they can keep their earnings. The government loves to give workers' money to everyone but them. I get that unions help some, but what about everyone else?

Uh, okay. HEre's the problem with that. WOrking folks are paying more in taxes because Republicans cut taxes on the rich.

See, this is where people like you are just stupid.