Pyramids are impossible: Grok AI

[BothWings]

“Technological advance is an inherently iterative process. One does not simply take sand from the beach and produce a computer. We use crude tools to fashion better tools, and then our better tools to fashion more precise tools, and so on. Each minor refinement is a step in the process, and all of the steps must be taken.”

—Chairman Sheng-ji Yang

I've always enjoyed making that point, that you need tools to make tools. And that is an evolutionary process.

 

[Kruska]

Those people mock us while they believe in wild stories in their silly books.

During the ice age, when the water of the oceans lay as ice in the north and south, vast areas that are now under these oceans were probably inhabited by humans or something similar.

Yes, and it's "reputable" archeologists that have found out that today's English channel and a large part of today's North Sea - didn't exist before around 4-5000 B.C. and not Ancient Alien devotees.

Therefore those people that used to live in these areas are connected to the builders of Stonehenge and other megalithic structures. Some of them found refuge as to what is now known the British Isles and France's Brittany, Normandy and Spain's Northern coasts right down to Caledonia - and all of them feature the same Megalithic structures and worshiping cult.

The same goes for today's Black Sea. Once a huge land basin marked with ancient riverbeds - and thus located next to what is presently known to be human mankind's oldest findings in regards to "advanced civilization".

 

[Bleipriester]

Yes, and it's "reputable" archeologists that have found out that today's English channel and a large part of today's North Sea - didn't exist before around 4-5000 B.C. and not Ancient Alien devotees.

Therefore those people that used to live in these areas are connected to the builders of Stonehenge and other megalithic structures. Some of them found refuge as to what is now known the British Isles and France's Brittany, Normandy and Spain's Northern coasts right down to Caledonia - and all of them feature the same Megalithic structures and worshiping cult.

The same goes for today's Black Sea. Once a huge land basin marked with ancient riverbeds - and thus located next to what is presently known to be human mankind's oldest findings in regards to "advanced civilization".

Hominid species were here for millions of years.

Lucy (hominid) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It would imply that these species that lived for millions of years would leave behind many remnants but there is little to be found.
Anything could have existed and has yet to be found, or was found but suppressed. Even ancient helicopters, planes, ect.

 

[Kruska]

Hominid species were here for millions of years.

Sure that's indisputable - but Lucy was about as primitive as a "near-human" could be. No self-made tools and not even fire aka a fireplace.

It would imply that these species that lived for millions of years would leave behind many remnants but there is little to be found.

Why should Lucy have left something behind, that would signify "civilization"? see my above statement.
"Ardi" is estimated to be 4.4 million years old - which shows that within 1.2 million years further evolution didn't happen.

Anything could have existed and has yet to be found,

Yes - and "reputable" archeologists are doing their best since the past 300 years. And found lots.

or was found but suppressed.

That is Ancient Alien talk - because NOTHING has been found that would support their endless theories and claims.

Even ancient helicopters, planes, ect.

Ancient Alien devotees have Never found any so far. But keep claiming and theorizing.

 

[Bleipriester]

Sure that's indisputable - but Lucy was about as primitive as a "near-human" could be. No self-made tools and not even fire aka a fireplace.

Why should Lucy have left something behind, that would signify "civilization"? see my above statement.

Yes - and "reputable" archeologists are doing their best since the past 300 years. And found lots.

That is Ancient Alien talk - because NOTHING has been found that would support their endless theories and claims.

Ancient Alien devotees have Never found any so far. But keep claiming and theorizing.

Yes, I keep "theorizing". Why for example did all these alleged hominids extinct but not the monkeys they arose from? And could there have been no fireplace, just because none was found? Again, if these species lived for millions of years, a huge amount of bones must be out there. Unless all the stuff vanishes over time. It takes few decades for the most part.

 

[Kruska]

Yes, I keep "theorizing". Why for example did all these alleged hominids extinct but not the monkeys they arose from? And could there have been no fireplace, just because none was found? Again, if these species lived for millions of years, a huge amount of bones must be out there. Unless all the stuff vanishes over time. It takes few decades for the most part.

"Human" advanced civilization presently dates back at furthest to around 15.000 B.C. Nothing older has been found so far.
And these oldest advanced stone constructed civilizations are found AFAIK solely in today's Turkey.

And "huge" steps of further technical development can be found from then on - culminating in the Egyptian, Sumerian, Caral/Peru ,Indus valley, Indian Tamil south and pre Han civilizations. All signified by Pyramids or Pyramid style structures - which IMO are simply the result of wanting to build higher, to either give proof to the respective cultures building ability, or to be nearer to their respective deities. Which was for ALL the life-giving Sun.

Since the human view upwards is far more inspiring and useful for calendar/ astronomy purposes and "showing off" then to dig downwards - technological construction limits, then only provided for Pyramid like structures. And NOT to please or dignify any Aliens.

So in turn I could also ask you, where aliens only capable of building Pyramid stone structures and no Aluminium/Glas or fancy Highrise-buildings? So if we humans of today would land on an ancient Turkey like civilised planet - why should we help/teach them to build silly Pyramids solely for their rulers - instead for the people, a Three Gorges Dam or a nuke, hydro-power plant, high-tec University hospital complex or a cable suspension bridge?

 

[Votto]

"Human" advanced civilization presently dates back at furthest to around 15.000 B.C. Nothing older has been found so far.
And these oldest advanced stone constructed civilizations are found AFAIK solely in today's Turkey.

And "huge" steps of further technical development can be found from then on - culminating in the Egyptian, Sumerian, Caral/Peru ,Indus valley, Indian Tamil south and pre Han civilizations. All signified by Pyramids or Pyramid style structures - which IMO are simply the result of wanting to build higher, to either give proof to the respective cultures building ability, or to be nearer to their respective deities. Which was for ALL the life-giving Sun.

Since the human view upwards is far more inspiring and useful for calendar/ astronomy purposes and "showing off" then to dig downwards - technological construction limits, then only provided for Pyramid like structures. And NOT to please or dignify any Aliens.

So in turn I could also ask you, where aliens only capable of building Pyramid stone structures and no Aluminium/Glas or fancy Highrise-buildings? So if we humans of today would land on an ancient Turkey like civilised planet - why should we help/teach them to build silly Pyramids solely for their rulers - instead for the people, a Three Gorges Dam or a nuke, hydro-power plant, high-tec University hospital complex or a cable suspension bridge?

Just a little update.

They just found a city that was build 140,000 years ago off the coast of India.

Hidden 140,000-year-old city discovered at bottom of ocean

The skull of an ancient human ancestor was discovered by scientists along with 6,000 animal fossils of 36 species including Komodo dragons, buffalos, deer, and elephant.

www.the-express.com

Mwhahahahaha!!!

 

[Kruska]

Just a little update.

They just found a city that was build 140,000 years ago off the coast of India.

Hidden 140,000-year-old city discovered at bottom of ocean

The skull of an ancient human ancestor was discovered by scientists along with 6,000 animal fossils of 36 species including Komodo dragons, buffalos, deer, and elephant.

www.the-express.com

Mwhahahahaha!!!

You probably already stopped reading that non-scientific article, upon noticing 140,000 thousand year old Homo Erectus skull.
There are no photos, or any documentation of "stone structures" of an advanced civilization like those in ancient Turkey - nor any details verifying this.

This article is from 2025 - so let me know about "architectural structures" they supposedly found in the last 1 year.

That a land connection between South-East-Asia to Indonesia or a land connection from India to Sri-Lanka existed is KNOWN.

Furthermore the above cited article has NOTHING to do with India - but refers to the so called Sundaland aka Indonesian archipelago. It is associated with Homo erectus fossils and animal remains, indicating a hunter&gatherer society and not a classic architectural or advanced "city".

It however does not come as a surprise to me that Ancient Alien Disciples display a very low knowledge about actual archeological findings - but "jump" immediately onto terms like "structures", "found" and "lost".

 

[Votto]

You probably already stopped reading that non-scientific article, upon noticing 140,000 thousand year old Homo Erectus skull.
There are no photos, or any documentation of "stone structures" of an advanced civilization like those in ancient Turkey - nor any details verifying this.

This article is from 2025 - so let me know about "architectural structures" they supposedly found in the last 1 year.

That a land connection between South-East-Asia to Indonesia or a land connection from India to Sri-Lanka existed is KNOWN.

Furthermore the above cited article has NOTHING to do with India - but refers to the so called Sundaland aka Indonesian archipelago. It is associated with Homo erectus fossils and animal remains, indicating a hunter&gatherer society and not a classic architectural or advanced "city".

It however does not come as a surprise to me that Ancient Alien Disciples display a very low knowledge about actual archeological findings - but "jump" immediately onto terms like "structures", "found" and "lost".

I am by no means a professional archeologist, but nor am I an Ancient Alien Disciple either.

I will say this, pretty much every revolutionary scientific discovery comes with it scoffers and the establishment within the scientific community mocking those findings because they are so arrogant and self-important they think they literally know everything there is to know about everything as they become enraged if anyone dare challenge what they thought was once true.

 

[Kruska]

I am by no means a professional archeologist,

Neither am I, but I have been enthusiastically reading and learning about it since 60 years. Also visited many sites.

but nor am I an Ancient Alien Disciple either.

Hmm.....

I will say this, pretty much every revolutionary scientific discovery comes with it scoffers and the establishment within the scientific community mocking those findings because they are so arrogant and self-important they think they literally know everything there is to know about everything as they become enraged if anyone dare challenge what they thought was once true.

It has nothing to do with arrogance or enraged - but simply with people having a solid background being confronted with "nonsensical" or "dubious" claims that clearly indicate a $$ minded Ancient Alien agenda.

Certainly I am not one who categorically refutes "new findings" or alternate explanations, as long as they do not target Aliens.
I find it actually amazing that despite so many archeological findings and thus proof of human genius - Aliens need to come up.
But yeah - its a market that obviously really pay's off to those running it. And it is telling that once "Alien" theories are debunked - you never hear from those dudes again - but they will immediately find the next story to come up with.

For my part I very well remember those two dudes sitting behind me on a bus (Daniken Disciples) about 50 years ago, trying to convince everyone that when they viewed through their telescopes - that they saw green agricultural fields on Mars, and then continued with that "Aztec Space-capsule" - whilst denoting every opposition as being dumb and brainwashed.

I for my part, am constantly speculating about some "very advanced" civilization that might have existed and can be found one day - but due to humans having created it and not some superficial Aliens.

For example, I am an ardent collector of Malay/Indonesian Kris. So I got a large library about this topic - and one about 1200 years old source reported about a mystic Kraton (Indonesian blade-smith site) that produced magical Kris inspired by Gods and Godlike materials from the stars.
Some years later I visited that site and noticed a lot of meteor stones around that site - and an old priest still knowledgeable in Sanskrit brought up some roles, that indicated a blade-smith having experimented with meteoric rock and iron alloys some 800 years ago.

To cut a long story short - some 20 years ago I manged to get my hands (pure luck) onto such a Kris, and yes its real lightweight and far stronger, slimmer, flexible and harder then a high-grade Damascus steel blade Kris. A metallurgical analysis proofed this meteorite material and estimated the blade to be around 600-900 years old.

So now I know about this - an Ancient Alien devotee would only tell you about the Kraton legend of a blade-smith having gotten Alien technology and Alien material and manufactured Kris with mystical properties. Parading around with my Kris and stating that there are no other Kris with theses properties and that such a metal and workmanship wasn't known to Javanese Kris makers until today. (for the last part he might be very well correct).