Pure hypothetical: let's pretend republicans have full control of the government

[Billy000]

Um okay. If government won't fix these problems, what the fuck will? Do you really not think the economy is important?

I do not accept your premise that government exists to fix what you see as problems in our society.
Thus, your OP has been fully addressed.

Okay this is a pretty simple question: when it comes to national problems you care about, what will fix them if not government.

getting the government out of the way. "just get the hell out of my way" John Galt in Atlas Shrugged.

Nothing about that makes any fucking sense dude. Freedom does not solve many fundamental problems. You need to stop thinking with so much emotion and use some basic critical thinking skills.

my critical skills exceed yours by a wide margin. The govt should set the basic rules and laws for the operations of business in the country. Then it should step back and leave it alone unless someone breaks the law.

What are these "basic problems" that only the government can solve? can you give us a list?

Government is the antithesis of anarchy. It creates laws that protects us. Consumer protection laws keeps private industry from harming us. Government is how any society functions and sustains itself. It keeps us all from eating each other.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I gave you answer -- I do not accept your premise that government exists to fix what you see as problems in our society.

I want government to protect the rights of the people, like it is supposed to do, and little else; as such, I would very much prefer that the GOP do nothing to address the "problems" you laid out, especially in the bigoted, partisan terms you used.

Do you even listen to yourself? Government doesn't fix problems? Are you shitting me? Why do we even bother electing officials then? You do realize, of course, republicans are government officials right?

Apparently you did not read what I said. I'll repeat myself.

I want government to protect the rights of the people, like it is supposed to do, and little else; as such, I would very much prefer that the GOP do nothing to address the "problems" you laid out, especially in the bigoted, partisan terms you used.
This answers all of your questions, in full.

Um okay. If government won't fix these problems, what the fuck will? Do you really not think the economy is important?

I do not accept your premise that government exists to fix what you see as problems in our society.
Thus, your OP has been fully addressed.

Okay this is a pretty simple question: when it comes to national problems you care about, what will fix them if not government.

I don't see how this is relevant to the question you asked in the OP, which revolves around the question of "what would you have government do?"

You see government a s a tool to fix the problems you see in society; to that end you want the government to force people to provide goods and services to others w/o compensation. I reject that premise, understanding that you support state-enforced involuntary servitude, a condition that every thinking person rejects out of hand.

 

[Billy000]

Okay here is what you people have the hardest time grasping. NO ONE wants totalitarianism. "Freedom" as an abstract thought does not fix the economy. I know the word makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, but in reality it has no practical influence over the economy or the function of government.

Man you really are republican aren't you?

No, I have voted for democrats in local elections when I thought they were the best candidates. I am more of a conservative than a republican. I want individual opportunity and responsibility. I want the govt out of our everyday lives. I do not want the govt telling me what kind of lightbulbs to buy or telling be me what to believe.

I do not want to live in an orwellian state. True freedom includes both the freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail. Every person is not entitled to equal results.

Look I'm not denying the importance of freedom, but you have this bizarre idea in your head that it has a range of practical implications and it doesn't.

Do you have any knowledge about the history of our country? Do you know why the declaration of independence and the constitution were written? Do you know what the founders were trying to escape from in europe? Do you know why they used words like "endowed by their creator"?

When true freedom exists (under a sytem of laws) each individual can be what he or she is willing to work to become. That idea is what made this country great.

Now, we have adopted an idea that the govt must keep everyone from ever failing and must bail them out if they fail. We are going broke trying to make that stupid idea work.

Lol dude come on. The constitution is a government document. It created laws. Laws that limited freedom in many ways. Rape and murder have never been functions of freedom in this country.

In your Utopian fantasy, the founding fathers should have simply written "FREEDOM!" on one page and called it good. From there the anarchy and chaos would destroy any resemblance to a functioning society and the British crown would easily step in and take back what was originally theirs.

as I said, you really don't understand. that post ^^^^^ proves it.

Tell me how does true freedom exist under a system of laws?

 

[Billy000]

Do you even listen to yourself? Government doesn't fix problems? Are you shitting me? Why do we even bother electing officials then? You do realize, of course, republicans are government officials right?

Apparently you did not read what I said. I'll repeat myself.

I want government to protect the rights of the people, like it is supposed to do, and little else; as such, I would very much prefer that the GOP do nothing to address the "problems" you laid out, especially in the bigoted, partisan terms you used.
This answers all of your questions, in full.

Um okay. If government won't fix these problems, what the fuck will? Do you really not think the economy is important?

I do not accept your premise that government exists to fix what you see as problems in our society.
Thus, your OP has been fully addressed.

Okay this is a pretty simple question: when it comes to national problems you care about, what will fix them if not government.

I don't see how this is relevant to the question you asked in the OP, which revolves around the question of "what would you have government do?"

You see government a s a tool to fix the problems you see in society; to that end you want the government to force people to provide goods and services to others w/o compensation. I reject that premise, understanding that you support state-enforced involuntary servitude, a condition that every thinking person rejects out of hand.

This isn't hard to figure out. Without government how does anything with a sense of structure and stability be established?

 

[Redfish]

I do not accept your premise that government exists to fix what you see as problems in our society.
Thus, your OP has been fully addressed.

Okay this is a pretty simple question: when it comes to national problems you care about, what will fix them if not government.

getting the government out of the way. "just get the hell out of my way" John Galt in Atlas Shrugged.

Nothing about that makes any fucking sense dude. Freedom does not solve many fundamental problems. You need to stop thinking with so much emotion and use some basic critical thinking skills.

my critical skills exceed yours by a wide margin. The govt should set the basic rules and laws for the operations of business in the country. Then it should step back and leave it alone unless someone breaks the law.

What are these "basic problems" that only the government can solve? can you give us a list?

Government is the antithesis of anarchy. It creates laws that protects us. Consumer protection laws keeps private industry from harming us. Government is how any society functions and sustains itself. It keeps us all from eating each other.

a private business whose products hurt people would go out of business and its owners would be prosecuted.

canibalism is against the law. Laws protect us, government enforces the laws. Government does not solve problems, it creates them.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Apparently you did not read what I said. I'll repeat myself.

I want government to protect the rights of the people, like it is supposed to do, and little else; as such, I would very much prefer that the GOP do nothing to address the "problems" you laid out, especially in the bigoted, partisan terms you used.
This answers all of your questions, in full.

Um okay. If government won't fix these problems, what the fuck will? Do you really not think the economy is important?

I do not accept your premise that government exists to fix what you see as problems in our society.
Thus, your OP has been fully addressed.

Okay this is a pretty simple question: when it comes to national problems you care about, what will fix them if not government.

I don't see how this is relevant to the question you asked in the OP, which revolves around the question of "what would you have government do?"
You see government a s a tool to fix the problems you see in society; to that end you want the government to force people to provide goods and services to others w/o compensation. I reject that premise, understanding that you support state-enforced involuntary servitude, a condition that every thinking person rejects out of hand.

This isn't hard to figure out. Without government how does anything with a sense of structure and stability be established?

Who said anything about no government? Certainly not me.
I simply reject your premise that government exists to fix what you see as problems in our society and to that end you want the government to force people to provide goods and services to others w/o compensation
Do you even read my posts?

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

unemployment rose starting in 2008, everyone knows that. Which party controlled congress in 2007 and 2008? What was the world economy doing in those years? Trying to place the entire blame on one person (Bush) is the height of partisan ignorance. Now, the dems controlled both houses of congress in 2009 and 2010, what does your graph say about those years?

this is not a party problem, its a philosophy of government problem. Governments cannot successfully control an economy. History proves that. Freedom works, totalitarian government does not.

Okay here is what you people have the hardest time grasping. NO ONE wants totalitarianism. "Freedom" as an abstract thought does not fix the economy. I know the word makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, but in reality it has no practical influence over the economy or the function of government.

Man you really are republican aren't you?

No, I have voted for democrats in local elections when I thought they were the best candidates. I am more of a conservative than a republican. I want individual opportunity and responsibility. I want the govt out of our everyday lives. I do not want the govt telling me what kind of lightbulbs to buy or telling be me what to believe.

I do not want to live in an orwellian state. True freedom includes both the freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail. Every person is not entitled to equal results.

Look I'm not denying the importance of freedom, but you have this bizarre idea in your head that it has a range of practical implications and it doesn't.

Do you have any knowledge about the history of our country? Do you know why the declaration of independence and the constitution were written? Do you know what the founders were trying to escape from in europe? Do you know why they used words like "endowed by their creator"?

When true freedom exists (under a sytem of laws) each individual can be what he or she is willing to work to become. That idea is what made this country great.

Now, we have adopted an idea that the govt must keep everyone from ever failing and must bail them out if they fail. We are going broke trying to make that stupid idea work.

Lol dude come on. The constitution is a government document. It created laws. Laws that limited freedom in many ways. Rape and murder have never been functions of freedom in this country.

In your Utopian fantasy, the founding fathers should have simply written "FREEDOM!" on one page and called it good. From there the anarchy and chaos would destroy any resemblance to a functioning society and the British crown would easily step in and take back what was originally theirs.

Can you name a single rational person who has said that the government shouldn't be involved with making sure people don't rape and or murder other people?

 

[Redfish]

No, I have voted for democrats in local elections when I thought they were the best candidates. I am more of a conservative than a republican. I want individual opportunity and responsibility. I want the govt out of our everyday lives. I do not want the govt telling me what kind of lightbulbs to buy or telling be me what to believe.

I do not want to live in an orwellian state. True freedom includes both the freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail. Every person is not entitled to equal results.

Look I'm not denying the importance of freedom, but you have this bizarre idea in your head that it has a range of practical implications and it doesn't.

Do you have any knowledge about the history of our country? Do you know why the declaration of independence and the constitution were written? Do you know what the founders were trying to escape from in europe? Do you know why they used words like "endowed by their creator"?

When true freedom exists (under a sytem of laws) each individual can be what he or she is willing to work to become. That idea is what made this country great.

Now, we have adopted an idea that the govt must keep everyone from ever failing and must bail them out if they fail. We are going broke trying to make that stupid idea work.

Lol dude come on. The constitution is a government document. It created laws. Laws that limited freedom in many ways. Rape and murder have never been functions of freedom in this country.

In your Utopian fantasy, the founding fathers should have simply written "FREEDOM!" on one page and called it good. From there the anarchy and chaos would destroy any resemblance to a functioning society and the British crown would easily step in and take back what was originally theirs.

as I said, you really don't understand. that post ^^^^^ proves it.

Tell me how does true freedom exist under a system of laws?

no one has advocated doing away with government, just limiting its role in accordance with the constitution.

every society needs rules and it needs some form or government to enforce the rules. But government should not be expected to provide for the basic needs of all citizens.

 

[Billy000]

Okay this is a pretty simple question: when it comes to national problems you care about, what will fix them if not government.

getting the government out of the way. "just get the hell out of my way" John Galt in Atlas Shrugged.

Nothing about that makes any fucking sense dude. Freedom does not solve many fundamental problems. You need to stop thinking with so much emotion and use some basic critical thinking skills.

my critical skills exceed yours by a wide margin. The govt should set the basic rules and laws for the operations of business in the country. Then it should step back and leave it alone unless someone breaks the law.

What are these "basic problems" that only the government can solve? can you give us a list?

Government is the antithesis of anarchy. It creates laws that protects us. Consumer protection laws keeps private industry from harming us. Government is how any society functions and sustains itself. It keeps us all from eating each other.

a private business whose products hurt people would go out of business and its owners would be prosecuted.

canibalism is against the law. Laws protect us, government enforces the laws. Government does not solve problems, it creates them.

No many corporations actively try to deceive consumers. Tell me, say a comma wanted to add a food additive to their foods that caused cancer. How would consumers know this? What about pharmaceuticals? How can a consumer know what is harmful and what isn't?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Let's pretend republicans controlled both the White House and all of congress. Answer the following questions with SPECIFIC answers.

HOW would they fix the shrinking middle class issue?

When you say "republicans", the assumption is that you're referring to Republicans, OKA: Americans; AKA: Advocates of natural principle which govern human behavior... .

*Reject all sense of Left-think. Such will begin to heal the culture entirely and, almost immediately.

In terms of economics, reject all notions of socialism; specifically shutting down federal regulations upon the means to access capital and engage in business and all federal subsidies which promote the continuance of that which is non-productive.

* stand back, due to the likelihood of explosive growth

HOW would they top the 10.3 million private jobs created under Obama?

ROFLMNAO!

HOW would they fix the problem of stagnant wages in the lower classes even though we already have record corporate profits right now?

Fixes itself when federal hinderances are out of the way. (Thank you nature...)

HOW would they help the poor?

Promote the opportunity to be something other than poor... (See: Above)

HOW would they help the middle class and strengthen it?

(See: Above)

HOW would they decrease the national debt if they would inevitably cut taxes for the super wealthy and spending would only continue?

Strip federal law of all social justice policy... reject entirely, turning our backs toward all who promote and otherwise advocate for Foreign Ideas which are hostile to natural (American) principle, where the government is recognized as having a stark and simple purpose, not part of which is to collect bacon and bring it home...

HOW would they create an adequate number of full time jobs?

(See: Above)

Oh, and just in case you all forgot: trickle down economics is a lie.

Yes... socialism, which confiscates property from those who produced it and trickles that ill-gotten-product back down to those who did not, IS A LIE!

But hey... all notions drawn from the irrational species of reasoning known as 'Left-think' are deceitful and wholly unsustainable.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

No many corporations actively try to deceive consumers. Tell me, say a comma wanted to add a food additive to their foods that caused cancer. How would consumers know this? What about pharmaceuticals? How can a consumer know what is harmful and what isn't?

So, you're a Leftist, whose ideas are founded upon relativism... thus are founded upon deceit... and you're lamenting the deceitful product of relativism?

LOL! Now isn't that precious?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Heaven forbid either one of these parties having "full control of the government".

Derp derp derp indeed.

.

Seems to have worked wonders in California under Gov Brown (D) and both the Senate and Assembly under D control. We haven't fully recovered from the damage done by the don't tax, don't spend but fill the prisons Republican control, but we are getting there.

Some evidence would be great.

All of your bankrupt cities don't seem to say much for your efforts.

8 U.S. Cities That Went Bankrupt

https://www08.wellsfargomedia.com/d...ions/California_Economic_Outlook_03052014.pdf

See how Stockton and San Bernardino are doing now, here:

San Bernardino Bondholder Talks Years After Bankruptcy - Business Insider

Oh, and before I forget, in the words of Dick Cheney, "deficits don't matter" and "go fuck yourself"

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Heaven forbid either one of these parties having "full control of the government".

Derp derp derp indeed.

.

Seems to have worked wonders in California under Gov Brown (D) and both the Senate and Assembly under D control. We haven't fully recovered from the damage done by the don't tax, don't spend but fill the prisons Republican control, but we are getting there.

Some evidence would be great.

All of your bankrupt cities don't seem to say much for your efforts.

8 U.S. Cities That Went Bankrupt

https://www08.wellsfargomedia.com/d...ions/California_Economic_Outlook_03052014.pdf

See how Stockton and San Bernardino are doing now, here:

San Bernardino Bondholder Talks Years After Bankruptcy - Business Insider

Oh, and before I forget, in the words of Dick Cheney, "deficits don't matter" and "go fuck yourself"

Deficits don't 'matter', when the nation is being attacked by an irrational, but otherwise capable enemy, which in a recent two hour attack, stripped the nation of a trillion dollars of economic production and nearly 3000 producers.

Do you always have issues with context? This is fairly common among the irrational... are you claiming your spot among that unenvious group?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Let's pretend republicans controlled both the White House and all of congress. Answer the following questions with SPECIFIC answers.

HOW would they fix the shrinking middle class issue?

HOW would they top the 10.3 million private jobs created under Obama?

HOW would they fix the problem of stagnant wages in the lower classes even though we already have record corporate profits right now?

HOW would they help the poor?

HOW would they help the middle class and strengthen it?

HOW would they decrease the national debt if they would inevitably cut taxes for the super wealthy and spending would only continue?

HOW would they create an adequate number of full time jobs?

Oh, and just in case you all forgot: trickle down economics is a lie. Tax cuts for the wealthy only help the wealthy. How do we know? Look at the pathetic job growth under Bush and the recent economic report in Kansas. then look at the job growth under obama. Demand side economics is what works.

I know some of you will inevitably dodge the topic by saying "what would dems do? derp derp derp"

Don't even bother. This is about republicans.

how many of those 10.3 million jobs were part time or low wage jobs?....and how many adequate number of full time jobs are there in that number?....

Ok I'm going to ask you a straight up question and I expect a straight up answer. Why is that Obama's fault? What should he have done to allow more of the creation of full time jobs?

Oh and Bush's record was abysmal with job creation. How many full time jobs did he create?

why is that Obamas fault?.....why did you state that those 10 million jobs were created under Obama if you were not trying to give him credit for those jobs?.....so if say 80% of those 10 million jobs were part time....then you pull his name out?...

Well see the ultimate job creation comes down to the actual job creators. Corporate profits are at an all time high. What was stopping them from creating all of these full time jobs? See my point is Obama helped facilitate the massive job growth, but of course the fundamentals of an individual job comes down to the business that created it.

i had 2 Democrat business guys on my route who were doing pretty dam good....both told me they can invest right now and expand their business and create some jobs BUT.....they were hesitant because they did not know what the effects of what Obama and co. were going to be with the healthcare bill, and they said he was a hard person to read business wise.....Bush and Clinton they said they knew where they were coming from....Obama???.....

 

[Redfish]

getting the government out of the way. "just get the hell out of my way" John Galt in Atlas Shrugged.

Nothing about that makes any fucking sense dude. Freedom does not solve many fundamental problems. You need to stop thinking with so much emotion and use some basic critical thinking skills.

my critical skills exceed yours by a wide margin. The govt should set the basic rules and laws for the operations of business in the country. Then it should step back and leave it alone unless someone breaks the law.

What are these "basic problems" that only the government can solve? can you give us a list?

Government is the antithesis of anarchy. It creates laws that protects us. Consumer protection laws keeps private industry from harming us. Government is how any society functions and sustains itself. It keeps us all from eating each other.

a private business whose products hurt people would go out of business and its owners would be prosecuted.

canibalism is against the law. Laws protect us, government enforces the laws. Government does not solve problems, it creates them.

No many corporations actively try to deceive consumers. Tell me, say a comma wanted to add a food additive to their foods that caused cancer. How would consumers know this? What about pharmaceuticals? How can a consumer know what is harmful and what isn't?

false advertising is illegal. Putting dangerous chemicals in food is illegal. The FDA oversees big pharma.

no one is saying we should do away with government. BTW, big pharma consists of huge corporations that average 30% profits, should the govt do something to stop big pharma from raping sick people?

Has any democrat put a bill before congress to reduce the length of drug patents and get cheap generics available quicker? Republicans have authored such bills. I thought dems hated corporations, I guess they only hate corporations that don't contribute to dems.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Let's pretend republicans controlled both the White House and all of congress. Answer the following questions with SPECIFIC answers.

HOW would they fix the shrinking middle class issue?

HOW would they top the 10.3 million private jobs created under Obama?

HOW would they fix the problem of stagnant wages in the lower classes even though we already have record corporate profits right now?

HOW would they help the poor?

HOW would they help the middle class and strengthen it?

HOW would they decrease the national debt if they would inevitably cut taxes for the super wealthy and spending would only continue?

HOW would they create an adequate number of full time jobs?

Oh, and just in case you all forgot: trickle down economics is a lie. Tax cuts for the wealthy only help the wealthy. How do we know? Look at the pathetic job growth under Bush and the recent economic report in Kansas. then look at the job growth under obama. Demand side economics is what works.

I know some of you will inevitably dodge the topic by saying "what would dems do? derp derp derp"

Don't even bother. This is about republicans.

Trying to gather ideas to send Obama eh?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Heaven forbid either one of these parties having "full control of the government".

Derp derp derp indeed.

.

Seems to have worked wonders in California under Gov Brown (D) and both the Senate and Assembly under D control. We haven't fully recovered from the damage done by the don't tax, don't spend but fill the prisons Republican control, but we are getting there.

yea its working great Wry.....in the wealthy Counties.....you do realize that something like 28 out of 58 Counties have UE that is higher than the state avg and about 11 of them are above 10%......are they not part of this State too?.....

Map Title: Unemployment rates by county, not seasonally adjusted Map Type: California county Map Month/Year: August/2014
County	August 2014
Alameda County	6.1
Alpine County	10.5
Amador County	7.7
Butte County	8.1
Calaveras County	8.2
Colusa County	12.0
Contra Costa County	6.0
Del Norte County	9.6
El Dorado County	6.6
Fresno County	10.1
Glenn County	9.9
Humboldt County	7.2
Imperial County	25.1
Inyo County	6.7
Kern County	9.5
Kings County	10.6
Lake County	8.9
Lassen County	8.6
Los Angeles County	8.5
Madera County	9.0
Marin County	4.2
Mariposa County	6.0
Mendocino County	6.1
Merced County	11.3
Modoc County	8.2
Mono County	6.6
Monterey County	6.9
Napa County	4.8
Nevada County	6.1
Orange County	5.4
Placer County	6.1
Plumas County	7.5
Riverside County	9.2
Sacramento County	7.3
San Benito County	6.9
San Bernardino County	8.2
San Diego County	6.2
San Francisco County	4.7
San Joaquin County	10.3
San Luis Obispo County	5.8
San Mateo County	4.3
Santa Barbara County	5.6
Santa Clara County	5.5
Santa Cruz County	6.7
Shasta County	8.4
Sierra County	8.3
Siskiyou County	9.2
Solano County	6.8
Sonoma County	5.4
Stanislaus County	10.2
Sutter County	10.5
Tehama County	9.3
Trinity County	8.7
Tulare County	11.8
Tuolumne County	7.5
Ventura County	6.8
Yolo County	6.8
Yuba County	11.9

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Yep, mother nature sure put a lot of people out of work. Most of those counties with high unemployment are agricultural, and or have very small populations. The lack of rain has hurt, that's not something which can be blamed on D's or R's.

Keep in mind there is a huge underground economy in and around the Emerald Triangle, and if California passes a Colorado type law, Marijuana will bring many 'unemployed' farmers, gardeners, transporters, salespersons and investors into the light.

See: https://www08.wellsfargomedia.com/d...ions/California_Economic_Outlook_03052014.pdf

 

[Billy000]

Let's pretend republicans controlled both the White House and all of congress. Answer the following questions with SPECIFIC answers.

HOW would they fix the shrinking middle class issue?

HOW would they top the 10.3 million private jobs created under Obama?

HOW would they fix the problem of stagnant wages in the lower classes even though we already have record corporate profits right now?

HOW would they help the poor?

HOW would they help the middle class and strengthen it?

HOW would they decrease the national debt if they would inevitably cut taxes for the super wealthy and spending would only continue?

HOW would they create an adequate number of full time jobs?

Oh, and just in case you all forgot: trickle down economics is a lie. Tax cuts for the wealthy only help the wealthy. How do we know? Look at the pathetic job growth under Bush and the recent economic report in Kansas. then look at the job growth under obama. Demand side economics is what works.

I know some of you will inevitably dodge the topic by saying "what would dems do? derp derp derp"

Don't even bother. This is about republicans.

how many of those 10.3 million jobs were part time or low wage jobs?....and how many adequate number of full time jobs are there in that number?....

Ok I'm going to ask you a straight up question and I expect a straight up answer. Why is that Obama's fault? What should he have done to allow more of the creation of full time jobs?

Oh and Bush's record was abysmal with job creation. How many full time jobs did he create?

why is that Obamas fault?.....why did you state that those 10 million jobs were created under Obama if you were not trying to give him credit for those jobs?.....so if say 80% of those 10 million jobs were part time....then you pull his name out?...

Well see the ultimate job creation comes down to the actual job creators. Corporate profits are at an all time high. What was stopping them from creating all of these full time jobs? See my point is Obama helped facilitate the massive job growth, but of course the fundamentals of an individual job comes down to the business that created it.

i had 2 Democrat business guys on my route who were doing pretty dam good....both told me they can invest right now and expand their business and create some jobs BUT.....they were hesitant because they did not know what the effects of what Obama and co. were going to be with the healthcare bill, and they said he was a hard person to read business wise.....Bush and Clinton they said they knew where they were coming from....Obama???.....

I'm sorry but anecdotal stories have no place as evidence of anything on this board.

 

[Billy000]

Nothing about that makes any fucking sense dude. Freedom does not solve many fundamental problems. You need to stop thinking with so much emotion and use some basic critical thinking skills.

my critical skills exceed yours by a wide margin. The govt should set the basic rules and laws for the operations of business in the country. Then it should step back and leave it alone unless someone breaks the law.

What are these "basic problems" that only the government can solve? can you give us a list?

Government is the antithesis of anarchy. It creates laws that protects us. Consumer protection laws keeps private industry from harming us. Government is how any society functions and sustains itself. It keeps us all from eating each other.

a private business whose products hurt people would go out of business and its owners would be prosecuted.

canibalism is against the law. Laws protect us, government enforces the laws. Government does not solve problems, it creates them.

No many corporations actively try to deceive consumers. Tell me, say a comma wanted to add a food additive to their foods that caused cancer. How would consumers know this? What about pharmaceuticals? How can a consumer know what is harmful and what isn't?

false advertising is illegal. Putting dangerous chemicals in food is illegal. The FDA oversees big pharma.

no one is saying we should do away with government. BTW, big pharma consists of huge corporations that average 30% profits, should the govt do something to stop big pharma from raping sick people?

Has any democrat put a bill before congress to reduce the length of drug patents and get cheap generics available quicker? Republicans have authored such bills. I thought dems hated corporations, I guess they only hate corporations that don't contribute to dems.

My point is simply that we need the FDA. Self regulation only goes so far. You can't expect consumers alone to keep a business honest.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Heaven forbid either one of these parties having "full control of the government".

Derp derp derp indeed.

.

Seems to have worked wonders in California under Gov Brown (D) and both the Senate and Assembly under D control. We haven't fully recovered from the damage done by the don't tax, don't spend but fill the prisons Republican control, but we are getting there.

yea its working great Wry.....in the wealthy Counties.....you do realize that something like 28 out of 58 Counties have UE that is higher than the state avg and about 11 of them are above 10%......are they not part of this State too?.....

Map Title: Unemployment rates by county, not seasonally adjusted Map Type: California county Map Month/Year: August/2014
County	August 2014
Alameda County	6.1
Alpine County	10.5
Amador County	7.7
Butte County	8.1
Calaveras County	8.2
Colusa County	12.0
Contra Costa County	6.0
Del Norte County	9.6
El Dorado County	6.6
Fresno County	10.1
Glenn County	9.9
Humboldt County	7.2
Imperial County	25.1
Inyo County	6.7
Kern County	9.5
Kings County	10.6
Lake County	8.9
Lassen County	8.6
Los Angeles County	8.5
Madera County	9.0
Marin County	4.2
Mariposa County	6.0
Mendocino County	6.1
Merced County	11.3
Modoc County	8.2
Mono County	6.6
Monterey County	6.9
Napa County	4.8
Nevada County	6.1
Orange County	5.4
Placer County	6.1
Plumas County	7.5
Riverside County	9.2
Sacramento County	7.3
San Benito County	6.9
San Bernardino County	8.2
San Diego County	6.2
San Francisco County	4.7
San Joaquin County	10.3
San Luis Obispo County	5.8
San Mateo County	4.3
Santa Barbara County	5.6
Santa Clara County	5.5
Santa Cruz County	6.7
Shasta County	8.4
Sierra County	8.3
Siskiyou County	9.2
Solano County	6.8
Sonoma County	5.4
Stanislaus County	10.2
Sutter County	10.5
Tehama County	9.3
Trinity County	8.7
Tulare County	11.8
Tuolumne County	7.5
Ventura County	6.8
Yolo County	6.8
Yuba County	11.9

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Yep, mother nature sure put a lot of people out of work. Most of those counties with high unemployment are agricultural, and or have very small populations. The lack of rain has hurt, that's not something which can be blamed on D's or R's.

Keep in mind there is a huge underground economy in and around the Emerald Triangle, and if California passes a Colorado type law, Marijuana will bring many 'unemployed' farmers, gardeners, transporters, salespersons and investors into the light.

See: https://www08.wellsfargomedia.com/d...ions/California_Economic_Outlook_03052014.pdf

you need a lot of water to grow pot.....now why dont you just admit that where the wealth is, is where the money goes....so those Counties dont need their infrastructure repaired or improved?....LA County is 8.5....they are not Agriculture....Riverside is 9.2.....San Bernardino 8.2...Democrats are no different than Republicans....take care of the rich first....whatever is left give to the lessor people.....