public opinion has been kinder to Stalin than Hitler. But one historian looks at Stalin's mass killings and urges that the definition of genocide be

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I do 100% agree with Stanford history Professor Norman Naimar , Stalin (and stalinism ) must get his place on the bottom of human history. side by side with Ivan The Terrible, Hitler and Pol Pot.

"public opinion has been kinder to Stalin than Hitler. But one historian looks at Stalin's mass killings and urges that the definition of genocide be widened.


Naimark argues that that the narrow definition of genocide is the dictator’s unacknowledged legacy to us today.


Accounts “gloss over the genocidal character of the Soviet regime in the 1930s, which killed systematically rather than episodically,” said Naimark. In the process of collectivization, for example, 30,000 kulaks were killed directly, mostly shot on the spot. About 2 million were forcibly deported to the Far North and Siberia.


They were called “enemies of the people,” as well as swine, dogs, cockroaches, scum, vermin, filth, garbage, half animals, apes. Activists promoted murderous slogans: “We will exile the kulak by the thousand when necessary – shoot the kulak breed.” “We will make soap of kulaks.” “Our class enemies must be wiped off the face of the earth.”


One Soviet report noted that gangs “drove the dekulakized naked in the streets, beat them, organized drinking bouts in their houses, shot over their heads, forced them to dig their own graves, undressed women and searched them, stole valuables, money, etc.... Stalin may have had another genocide in his crosshairs. We’ll never know whether the concocted conspiracy of Jewish Kremlin doctors in 1952 would have resulted in the internal exile of the entire Jewish population. Whatever plans existed ended abruptly with Stalin’s death in March 1953, as rumors of Jewish deportations were swirling. ”

 
......hitler started and continued the greatest destructive/murderous/rapping-robbing/etc event ever--so, it's normal for someone like that to get highest attention......Stalin did not send troops and sailors all over the world for war/killing/etc like hitler did
 
......hitler started and continued the greatest destructive/murderous/rapping-robbing/etc event ever--so, it's normal for someone like that to get highest attention......Stalin did not send troops and sailors all over the world for war/killing/etc like hitler did

Yes he did; think China, SE Asia and Eastern Europe. Without Stalin there is no Mao; MILLIONS murdered.

No; Hitler and Stalin I use in the same breath............................. and spit!!!

btw: most of the dirty work was done by useful but expendable idiots; think DemoKKKrats.

Greg
 
......hitler started and continued the greatest destructive/murderous/rapping-robbing/etc event ever--so, it's normal for someone like that to get highest attention......Stalin did not send troops and sailors all over the world for war/killing/etc like hitler did
Because? Finish it! Because he killed off all his generals due to the fact he was paranoid about losing power to them. In fact, when Hitler invaded Stalin got good and drunk for a solid week because he knew he has screwed himself,.

This makes Stalin better? LOL.

The Allies declared war on Hitler why again? Because he invaded Poland. Well guess who else invaded Poland? Anyone? You guessed it, Stalin. Hitler agreed with Stalin to divide the country, so why only declare war on Hitler again? It was because they hoped at some point Hitler would turn on Stalin, which he did.

So the reasons why Stalin is put in so much better a light is:

1. He later joined the Allies to defeat Hitler
2. He was on the winning side.
3. He got to help write the history books
4. Marxism had become mainstream in the world.

But the dirty little secret is, Marxism has murdered far more people in the world than Nazism, simply because it is embraced around the world, like how BLM today embraces it. Conversely, Nazism is seen as evil for obvious reasons, but the main was is it lost WW2.
 
......hitler started and continued the greatest destructive/murderous/rapping-robbing/etc event ever--so, it's normal for someone like that to get highest attention......Stalin did not send troops and sailors all over the world for war/killing/etc like hitler did

Yes he did; think China, SE Asia and Eastern Europe. Without Stalin there is no Mao; MILLIONS murdered.

No; Hitler and Stalin I use in the same breath............................. and spit!!!

btw: most of the dirty work was done by useful but expendable idiots; think DemoKKKrats.

Greg
The Mongol Khans of the Mongol empire make Stalin look like an amateur.
 
Without getting into an argument about the exaggerated Bircher Propaganda about how many people Stalin Killed, you can't call it genocide because there wasn't a specific race of people targeted, like Hitler did with the Jews.

Rounding people up is genocide. Mismanaging an already damaged agricultural system causing a famine isn't. It's just incompetence.
 
Without getting into an argument about the exaggerated Bircher Propaganda about how many people Stalin Killed, you can't call it genocide because there wasn't a specific race of people targeted, like Hitler did with the Jews.

Rounding people up is genocide. Mismanaging an already damaged agricultural system causing a famine isn't. It's just incompetence.
Stalin actively hunted down his own people based on the premise that he needed to maintain political power. So those he murdered were murdered because he was trying to maintain political power. Now you can all it what you like, give it another name that sounds a little better if you like, but murder is murder to me.

With Leftism taking over academia, what we now have is a PR plan to improve the view of Marxism and his cronies like Stalin. This involves not using the word "genocide" to describe any Marxist, like Pol Pot and Mao who collectively murdered far more than Hitler. This is why the political spectrum was created with the USSR on the far Left and the Nazis on the far right. Well what is the spectrum measuring that makes communism and fascism as polar opposites? They never say. Really the major difference was that Hitler targeted races of people for extermination and did not take over industry in name, even though he controlled them like Stalin did. So I reckon that makes him a right winger. LOL. In reality, if the spectrum measured centralized controlling governments, then both the USSR and Nazi regimes would be side by side on the political spectrum, but that would be bad PR for democrats and other Marxists around the world.

Also, human beings tend to idolize despotic murderers. Men like Genghis Khan, for example, is still revered in Mongolia with his face plastered everywhere. Why? because people tend to look up to leaders who are able to wield such centralized all controlling despotic power, no matter how many they murder.
 
It doesn't take a Marxist to commit murder and genocide, hell the US did it and we were not Marxist or communist.
 
his makes Stalin better? LOL.

The Allies declared war on Hitler why again? Because he invaded Poland. Well guess who else invaded Poland? Anyone? You guessed it, Stalin. Hitler agreed with Stalin to divide the country, so why only declare war on Hitler again? It was because they hoped at some point Hitler would turn on Stalin, which he did.

Or they recognized that declaring war on the USSR would force them to join the Axis, and then the allies would be screwed.

The problem was in the early stages of WWII, the Allies were hoping it would be like World War I, they'd bog down the Germans on the Western Front until their economy collapsed. Of course, the main reason why it didn't was because until Hitler invaded the USSR, they were continuing to trade with Stalin and meat many of their resource needs.

So the reasons why Stalin is put in so much better a light is:

1. He later joined the Allies to defeat Hitler
2. He was on the winning side.
3. He got to help write the history books
4. Marxism had become mainstream in the world.

Actually, here's the reality. In World War II, Stalin and the USSR did most of the heavy lifting. But this offends our sensibilities that the only reason why Capitalism didn't fall to Fascism was because the Communists saved it. We just looked in horror as we found that the Communists were in a better position after the war and had more street cred than the failing Capitalist Empires that let Hitler and the Japanese run amok to start with.


But the dirty little secret is, Marxism has murdered far more people in the world than Nazism, simply because it is embraced around the world, like how BLM today embraces it. Conversely, Nazism is seen as evil for obvious reasons, but the main was is it lost WW2.

The problem is, the only way you guys get to the "Marxism murdered millions" numbers is if you include every famine and war in the numbers. So you guys will bitch about the Ukraine famine, which was a case of criminal incompetence, but you won't talk about the Bengal famine of 1942, which killed millions as well.

When Churchill heard about the Bengal Famine, he joked, "Has Gandhi starved yet?" Yup. In Churchill's worldview, Gandhi was as bad as Hitler as a threat to British supremacy.
 
......hitler started and continued the greatest destructive/murderous/rapping-robbing/etc event ever--so, it's normal for someone like that to get highest attention......Stalin did not send troops and sailors all over the world for war/killing/etc like hitler did
".hitler started " you are wrong, koba started it


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It doesn't take a Marxist to commit murder and genocide, hell the US did it and we were not Marxist or communist.
Power corrupts. That is what Marxists and Left wingers like you can never seem to fathom. Why did the Founding Fathers try to redistribute power in the Republic they founded? It was to get away from a centralized all powerful king who will, not maybe will, abuse their power. So they tried to create checks and balances to help ensure centralized all powerful control was difficult to achieve. However, this makes government more inefficient, and this made Progressives like President Wilson and FDR openly disdain the Constitution and help create the centralized all powerful government the US has now. Now the US government has become so centralized that the President now decides everything from what doctor we will have to what teacher will educate our children. And the President now simply declares edicts rather than letting Congress laws. Now Presidents like FDR can imprison innocent Americans at the drop of a hat, even when it is based on race, with no push back from anyone.

In short, Wilson and FDR started to become what they were fighting in Germany. In fact, much of what Progressives are doing today is based on the Hitler model in regards to economics, and building world conquering armies. Now pretty much every President, aside from Trump, starts a war around the world.
 
Stalin actively hunted down his own people based on the premise that he needed to maintain political power. So those he murdered were murdered because he was trying to maintain political power. Now you can all it what you like, give it another name that sounds a little better if you like, but murder is murder to me.

So what? You think that if the guys he murdered had won, they'd wouldn't have killed their enemies?

With Leftism taking over academia, what we now have is a PR plan to improve the view of Marxism and his cronies like Stalin. This involves not using the word "genocide" to describe any Marxist, like Pol Pot and Mao who collectively murdered far more than Hitler.

Because 1) they probably didn't and 2) it wasn't technically genocide. You could make the argument that it was mass murder.

Germans killing Jews is Genocide. It's the attempt to exterminate a race.
Cambodians killing other Cambodians (After they had been brutalized by years of war conducted by the United States) is not genocide. It's mass murder, but it isn't genocide.

What you guys want to do is redefine genocide as including mass murder, so you can throw the "Marxists" in there.

It seems you're the one trying to rewrite definitions.
 
......hitler started and continued the greatest destructive/murderous/rapping-robbing/etc event ever--so, it's normal for someone like that to get highest attention......Stalin did not send troops and sailors all over the world for war/killing/etc like hitler did

Yes he did; think China, SE Asia and Eastern Europe. Without Stalin there is no Mao; MILLIONS murdered.

No; Hitler and Stalin I use in the same breath............................. and spit!!!

btw: most of the dirty work was done by useful but expendable idiots; think DemoKKKrats.

Greg
The Mongol Khans of the empire make Stalin look like an amateur.
Mongols connected east and west, created china and Muscovy, what koba left behind? unproductive slavery , hungry 1/2 of the planet ....
 
I do 100% agree with Stanford history Professor Norman Naimar , Stalin (and stalinism ) must get his place on the bottom of human history. side by side with Ivan The Terrible, Hitler and Pol Pot.

"public opinion has been kinder to Stalin than Hitler. But one historian looks at Stalin's mass killings and urges that the definition of genocide be widened.


Naimark argues that that the narrow definition of genocide is the dictator’s unacknowledged legacy to us today.


Accounts “gloss over the genocidal character of the Soviet regime in the 1930s, which killed systematically rather than episodically,” said Naimark. In the process of collectivization, for example, 30,000 kulaks were killed directly, mostly shot on the spot. About 2 million were forcibly deported to the Far North and Siberia.


They were called “enemies of the people,” as well as swine, dogs, cockroaches, scum, vermin, filth, garbage, half animals, apes. Activists promoted murderous slogans: “We will exile the kulak by the thousand when necessary – shoot the kulak breed.” “We will make soap of kulaks.” “Our class enemies must be wiped off the face of the earth.”


One Soviet report noted that gangs “drove the dekulakized naked in the streets, beat them, organized drinking bouts in their houses, shot over their heads, forced them to dig their own graves, undressed women and searched them, stole valuables, money, etc.... Stalin may have had another genocide in his crosshairs. We’ll never know whether the concocted conspiracy of Jewish Kremlin doctors in 1952 would have resulted in the internal exile of the entire Jewish population. Whatever plans existed ended abruptly with Stalin’s death in March 1953, as rumors of Jewish deportations were swirling. ”


No one says Stalin wasn’t disgusting. It how is it genicide? Stalin wasn’t focused on a particular group. So by definition, it was not genocide.
S’matter? Anti semite doesn’t like Hitler being the bad guy?
 
I do 100% agree with Stanford history Professor Norman Naimar , Stalin (and stalinism ) must get his place on the bottom of human history. side by side with Ivan The Terrible, Hitler and Pol Pot.

"public opinion has been kinder to Stalin than Hitler. But one historian looks at Stalin's mass killings and urges that the definition of genocide be widened.


Naimark argues that that the narrow definition of genocide is the dictator’s unacknowledged legacy to us today.


Accounts “gloss over the genocidal character of the Soviet regime in the 1930s, which killed systematically rather than episodically,” said Naimark. In the process of collectivization, for example, 30,000 kulaks were killed directly, mostly shot on the spot. About 2 million were forcibly deported to the Far North and Siberia.


They were called “enemies of the people,” as well as swine, dogs, cockroaches, scum, vermin, filth, garbage, half animals, apes. Activists promoted murderous slogans: “We will exile the kulak by the thousand when necessary – shoot the kulak breed.” “We will make soap of kulaks.” “Our class enemies must be wiped off the face of the earth.”


One Soviet report noted that gangs “drove the dekulakized naked in the streets, beat them, organized drinking bouts in their houses, shot over their heads, forced them to dig their own graves, undressed women and searched them, stole valuables, money, etc.... Stalin may have had another genocide in his crosshairs. We’ll never know whether the concocted conspiracy of Jewish Kremlin doctors in 1952 would have resulted in the internal exile of the entire Jewish population. Whatever plans existed ended abruptly with Stalin’s death in March 1953, as rumors of Jewish deportations were swirling. ”


No one says Stalin wasn’t disgusting. It how is it genicide? Stalin wasn’t focused on a particular group. So by definition, it was not genocide.
S’matter? Anti semite doesn’t like butler being the bad guy?

It how is it genicide?
how is it genicide?



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This is why the political spectrum was created with the USSR on the far Left and the Nazis on the far right. Well what is the spectrum measuring that makes communism and fascism as polar opposites? They never say. Really the major difference was that Hitler targeted races of people for extermination and did not take over industry in name, even though he controlled them like Stalin did. So I reckon that makes him a right winger. LOL. In reality, if the spectrum measured centralized controlling governments, then both the USSR and Nazi regimes would be side by side on the political spectrum, but that would be bad PR for democrats and other Marxists around the world.

What made Nazism and Fascism "far right" is that they were very cozy with Corporate and wealthy interests. Germany had technically abolished the noblity in 1918, but the Nazis honored the old titles. So did the Fascists, which is why Italy banned noble titles after WWII.

Also, human beings tend to idolize despotic murderers. Men like Genghis Khan, for example, is still revered in Mongolia with his face plastered everywhere. Why? because people tend to look up to leaders who are able to wield such centralized all controlling despotic power, no matter how many they murder.

Or they just realize he was the most prominent person in their history. You ask any person anywhere in the world to make a list of famous Mongols, and they'd have Ghengis on the list... and probably no one else.
 
It doesn't take a Marxist to commit murder and genocide, hell the US did it and we were not Marxist or communist.
Power corrupts. That is what Marxists and Left wingers like you can never seem to fathom. Why did the Founding Fathers try to redistribute power in the Republic they founded? It was to get away from a centralized all powerful king who will, not maybe will, abuse their power. So they tried to create checks and balances to help ensure centralized all powerful control was difficult to achieve. However, this makes government more inefficient, and this made Progressives like President Wilson and FDR openly disdain the Constitution and help create the centralized all powerful government the US has now. Now the US government has become so centralized that the President now decides everything from what doctor we will have to what teacher will educate our children. And the President now simply declares edicts rather than letting Congress laws. Now Presidents like FDR can imprison innocent Americans at the drop of a hat, even when it is based on race, with no push back from anyone.

In short, Wilson and FDR started to become what they were fighting in Germany. In fact, much of what Progressives are doing today is based on the Hitler model in regards to economics, and building world conquering armies. Now pretty much every President, aside from Trump, starts a war around the world.
One doesn't need to be a Marxist to be a total tyrant, there were tyrants before Marx was ever born, long, long before Marx was born. Your attempts to make me and anyone else a bad person because you need a bogeyman is laughable at best.
 
......hitler started and continued the greatest destructive/murderous/rapping-robbing/etc event ever--so, it's normal for someone like that to get highest attention......Stalin did not send troops and sailors all over the world for war/killing/etc like hitler did

Yes he did; think China, SE Asia and Eastern Europe. Without Stalin there is no Mao; MILLIONS murdered.

No; Hitler and Stalin I use in the same breath............................. and spit!!!

btw: most of the dirty work was done by useful but expendable idiots; think DemoKKKrats.

Greg
The Mongol Khans of the empire make Stalin look like an amateur.
Mongols connected east and west, created china and Muscovy, what koba left behind? unproductive slavery , hungry 1/2 of the planet ....
So did God when he flooded the planet to kill off the Nephilim..
 

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