Proof Obama and Schiff tried to overthrow the government

[AntonToo]

AntonToo
"to evade other laws"... what were the other laws? The first charge, record keeping, was only a misdemeanor. Please tell us that "other law" Trump was convicted of breaking that bumped it into a felony.

You clearly don't understand the statute.

The only requirement is reasonable belief that records were falsified to break another law. Your claim that there is a requirement of another conviction is simply false.

Trump didn't just wake up a decide to scheme and break business records laws to pay $420,000 for $130,000 NDA, that is ludicrous. He obviously did it to hide the payment from disclosure during an election, required by campaign finance laws.

That's exactly why jury unanimously convicted him on Falsification of Business Records in the First Degree. If you Trump fans were not so emotionally invested and checking in your brain to carry water for him, then you'd have no difficulty with understanding these simple facts of the matter.

 

[hadit]

Um, no, you are a tad confused.

Trump was impeached for trying to extort Zelenskyy into digging up dirt on Hunter for him. (Because he was too chickenshit to do it himself).

But Trump got convicted of 34 felony counts for doing an illegal payoff to Stormy Daniels for not letting everyone know he had a mushroom-sized dick.

The payoff wasn't illegal, never has been.

 

[AntonToo]

The payoff wasn't illegal, never has been.

What to even say about braindead comments like this after pages of concise explanation exactly why the scheme for these payments was illegal.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You clearly don't understand the statute.

The only requirement is reasonable belief that records were falsified to break another law. Your claim that there is a requirement of another conviction is simply false.

Trump didn't just wake up a decide to scheme and break business records laws to pay $420,000 for $130,000 NDA, that is ludicrous. He obviously did it to hide the payment from disclosure during an election, required by campaign finance laws.

That's exactly why jury unanimously convicted him on Falsification of Business Records in the First Degree. If you Trump fans were not so emotionally invested and checking in your brain to carry water for him, then you'd have no difficulty with understanding these simple facts of the matter.

The only requirement is reasonable belief that records were falsified to break another law.

Reasonable belief to break what law? I thought the standard was beyond a reasonable doubt?

He obviously did it to hide the payment from disclosure during an election

When was the payment made?

 

[AntonToo]

The only requirement is reasonable belief that records were falsified to break another law.

Reasonable belief to break what law? I thought the standard was beyond a reasonable doubt?

Read my post in full then respond, you look foolish when you ask me questions, I've already answered.


Trump had NDA payment made to Stormy in October 2016, right before election. You don't need me to look this up for you, you can HELP YOURSELF to basic facts instead of wasting people's time with your half-thoughts.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Read my post in full then respond, you look foolish when you ask me questions, I've already answered.


Trump had NDA payment made to Stormy in October 2016, right before election. You don't need me to look this up for you, you can HELP YOURSELF to basic facts instead of wasting people's time with your half-thoughts.

I read your post in full.

What law did the prosecutors prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Trump broke with the
bookkeeping misdemeanors that were beyond the statute of limitations?

Trump had NDA payment made to Stormy in October 2016, right before election.

Right. And if it was a campaign expenditure, when would the report have to be filed?

 

[hadit]

What to even say about braindead comments like this after pages of concise explanation exactly why the scheme for these payments was illegal.

Hush money (or NDA's) are not illegal, never have been. The way they put it in the books was illegal. Please try to keep up.

 

[popscottpopscott]

AntonToo

"break another law"... what was the other law? was Trump charged and convicted of another we are not aware of?

 

[AntonToo]

AntonToo

"break another law"... what was the other law? was Trump charged and convicted of another we are not aware of?

You've already asked that and I already fully addressed it. Whats wrong with you?

Whats the point of me spending time writing explanations to you if you refuse to read and understand it?

 

[popscottpopscott]

AntonToo

"Would it kill you to simply read the indictment?" Whats wrong with you?
the sixth amendment ,,right "to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation." This is a fundamental protection within the American legal system. the was never done until the end of the trial. No where in the indictment was a second crime listed.

What is the second crime....

here it is the indictment.. show us copy and paste please of this second crime
https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-Indictment.pdf

let judge Wilson explain what you obviously don't have a clue about

 

[popscottpopscott]

You've already asked that and I already fully addressed it. Whats wrong with you?

Whats the point of me spending time writing explanations to you if you refuse to read and understand it?

You do understand (well probably not) the records charge was a misdemeanor, a misdemeanor the statute of limitations had long run out?

 

[AntonToo]

You do understand (well probably not) the records charge was a misdemeanor, a misdemeanor the statute of limitations had long run out?

I understand that as a silly falsehood.

Trump was charged and convicted for a felony called Falsification of Business Records in the First Degree

Whats wrong with you? You keep being unable to put togather anything coherent, keep repeating same already addressed points.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I understand that as a silly falsehood.

Trump was charged and convicted for a felony called Falsification of Business Records in the First Degree

Whats wrong with you? You keep being unable to put togather anything coherent, keep repeating same already addressed points.

And you still can't explain what made it a felony.

 

[Nostra]

Unanimously voted on what underlying crime?

It wasn’t never specified, per statutory requirement. The hack judge told the jury to just pick whatever they wanted.

 

[popscottpopscott]

No AntonToo
Trump was charged with a misdemeanor called "Falsification of Business Records" that the statute of limitations had long ran out...
Please tell us what the "second crime" was. It would have to be listed in the indictment per the sixth amendment.

 

[AntonToo]

No AntonToo
Trump was charged with a misdemeanor called "Falsification of Business Records"

Idiot, here is the indictment.

Read the full Trump indictment charging him with 34 felony counts

The former president pleaded not guilty to all charges in a court appearance Tuesday.

www.cbsnews.com

Where the **** do you see misdemeanor charge? It's 34 felony counts - FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE

 

[CrazyTrader55]

I reported it on this forum long ago when I discovered that on January 6, 2017 Obama set in motion the overthrow of the government. Last year Tulsi Gabbard discovered it.
Now it is discussed by the Congress. I had located due to public records the document sent by Obama to the intelligence fellows to make claims the Russians worked with trump to elect him. That Trump was deep into this so-called plot. Surely nobody will defend Obama now.

Lefty: "no proof". Lefty will never admit to it.

 

[Nostra]

Idiot, here is the indictment.

Read the full Trump indictment charging him with 34 felony counts

The former president pleaded not guilty to all charges in a court appearance Tuesday.

www.cbsnews.com

Where the **** do you see misdemeanor charge? It's 34 felony counts - FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE

What is the underlying crime that resurrected expired misdemeanors, Simp?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Idiot, here is the indictment.

Read the full Trump indictment charging him with 34 felony counts

The former president pleaded not guilty to all charges in a court appearance Tuesday.

www.cbsnews.com

Where the **** do you see misdemeanor charge? It's 34 felony counts - FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE

"The defendant DONALD J. TRUMP repeatedly and fraudulently falsified New York business records to conceal criminal conduct that hid damaging information from the voting public during the 2016 presidential election," according to a statement of facts released alongside the indictment.

He concealed criminal conduct that hid damaging information?

The criminal conduct was the bookkeeping misdemeanor.
And he hid the misdemeanor to conceal damaging information.

If you hide a misdemeanor, that makes it a felony?
Is concealing damaging information a misdemeanor, or a felony?

If it's a misdemeanor, does it become a felony if you conceal it with another misdemeanor?

 

[AntonToo]

He concealed criminal conduct that hid damaging information? The criminal conduct was the bookkeeping misdemeanor.

He concealed damaging information by the means of criminal conduct: falsification of bussiness records in the first degree. Criminal conduct was book keeping fraud.

This is not rocket science, but I guess when you badly don't want to understand something you start coming up with upside down nonsense like that to cope.