Zone1 Proof Judeo-Christian Bible Written by Inspiration of God

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

None of the Bibles are perfect at all, and every last one of you thumpers know that.

I read two to three chapters a day (have done so for many years) because it is beautiful.

 

[Alter2Ego]

Look, Alter2Ego, I don't believe for one second that the bible is the word of any god but rather the words of cagey humans decades and even centuries later who were seeking power and acclaim and the riches that go along with it. For the record, I come from an extremely large Catholic family and was taught by nuns. I was an altar boy and devout Catholic. I converted in my twenties and spent my time learning about how easy it is to indoctrinate people. Almost always believers are made when they are young and impressionable and is why religion chooses you depending on what family you are born into and where you live. Only in very rare circumstances does a person choose their religion. I debated Christians for two decades and when I say this, I get the hand wavers saying "I was an atheist and so was my family until I found the truth of Mormonism or Baptist or Catholicism or fill in the blank.

I don't like debating scripture because it all BS and anyone can find a countermanding scripture to one being debated if they try hard enough and lie that the one they claim overrides the one you are citing and there is no contradiction. The mental gymnastics one has to go through to defend scripture borders on insanity. As you say, the King James version distorted scripture to create its own brand. But King James is not alone. So do all versions and then people have the nerve to insist that the version they go by is the truth and god inspired.

Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi and never did say he was "God". He said (allegedly) "I and the father are one" and IF he said that it could mean he aligns with the God of the Old Testament but even here we have no record or proof of what Jesus ever said. Some believed he was the savior that so many humans yearned for. Some allegedly "saw' him after he died and yet there is no writings outside of the bible that say this. Many people insisted they saw Elvis after he died too, proving that someone who was a compelling orator or personality will be so missed that people think they saw him after he departed.

Jesus was considered A son of "God" and not THE god. This was a problem for those wanting to invent a religion. The way they did that was to collude with Constantine and invent the Trinity. You know this.

Paradoxical#1:

If you think I'm going to waste my time reading your wall of text, think again. You're not saying anything new. You've been whining and complaining about religious "leaders" telling you to believe things without showing you proof from the Bible, now all of a sudden, you don't believe the Bible is inspired by God at all.

You've been asking me and kjw47 for proof that the Bible was written by inspiration of Jehovah God, then after I open up a thread in which I begin presenting evidence of divine inspiration, you finally showed your insincerity.

You want to play games? Suite yourself. I'm not interested.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

No. The objective truth of the consequence of your desire to ban religion. If you can't figure it out, I'd be glad to explain it to you.

You keep proving why a poster put you on iggy.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Are you Hobelim's mate?

DukeU:

Don't flatter yourself. I'm merely pointing out to you that the King James Version is nothing more than a translation and that it has numerous errors, including the 16 fabricated verses contained therein.

The King James version can be trusted. While there have been minor changes to vocabulary and capitalization, none of the themes throughout the Bible have been changed. A Concordance is a valuable companion if you think the meaning of the text has been amended.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Sorry, but you lack both Biblical knowledge and scientific knowledge.
The Dead Sea Scrolls prove the death knell for your contention that the OT was written centuries later. Did all the centuries later forgers get together, find some 3 BC papyrus and ink and then hide their forgeries in a cave somewhere, at the same time?

Moses, and the Egyptians, had no clue what a dimension was. There are no precise measurements for dimensions in the Bible, just that they exist and what can happen to them. Show me multiple authors centuries after Moses lived, that describe the dimension of spacetime, or the measurements of depth...

Moses didn't need your help with the story. One was inspired by God, the other leans on their own flawed understanding...

This is cray cray time. Moses allegedly wrote about "dimensions" (math) and that means God inspired Moses and the entire bible? Where in the eff do you people come up with this bullshit with a straight face.

People knew dimensions to build buildings DUH!!!

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Paradoxical#1:

If you think I'm going to waste my time reading your wall of text, think again. You're not saying anything new. You've been whining and complaining about religious "leaders" telling you to believe things without showing you proof from the Bible, now all of a sudden, you don't believe the Bible is inspired by God at all.

You've been asking me and kjw47 for proof that the Bible was written by inspiration of Jehovah God, then after I open up a thread in which I begin presenting evidence of divine inspiration, you finally showed your insincerity.

You want to play games? Suite yourself. I'm not interested.

As I said, I don't do bullshit and making a claim that a document that was written at least a hundred years after the events and changed by scribes and then the elders decided which writings to keep and which would go is somehow an inspired document is to me, crazy cultland.

You people have proven nothing but that the bible version that resonates with each one is the "troo one. A billion Muslims say you're all whackjobs as well.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

The King James version can be trusted. While there have been minor changes to vocabulary and capitalization, none of the themes throughout the Bible have been changed. A Concordance is a valuable companion if you think the meaning of the text has been amended.

From AI

One of the key reasons King James I commissioned the King James Version (KJV) was to replace the Geneva Bible, which contained marginal notes that were critical of monarchy. The Geneva Bible, popular among Puritans, included commentary that challenged the divine right of kings, which was a doctrine King James strongly supported.

By creating the KJV, James ensured that the new translation would be free from politically controversial annotations and would reinforce royal authority. Some scholars also suggest that certain words, like "tyrant," were deliberately omitted or replaced to avoid negative connotations about rulers.

So, everyone had it wrong for 16 centuries and King James got it right. W#hat effing gullible people the believers are. It is mind boggling.

 

[The Irish Ram]

This is cray cray time. Moses allegedly wrote about "dimensions" (math) and that means God inspired Moses and the entire bible? Where in the eff do you people come up with this bullshit with a straight face.

People knew dimensions to build buildings DUH!!!

Apparently you know better than the Bible. I'll refer you to Maimonides for the science of Genesis.
God guided the very steps of Moses.
Yes, God inspired the entire Bible, filled it with prophecy, and instructed us on scripture's use. I can believe you, or Timothy. He says the opposite of what you think you know:

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

 

[ding]

Angels, otherworldly beings, living creatures, Cherubim, aliens, what's the difference?

"These were the living creatures that I had seen beneath the God of Israel at the river Kabar; I knew they were Cherubim. Each had four faces and four wings and the semblance of human hands under their wings." Ez10:21

"I saw one who looked like a son of man (human) who had the semblance of a hand" Revelation 14:14. IOW, not of this world. Its right there in the Bible, so I believe. And I thought you were a genuine bonafide believer!


No. Not unless you are a glutton for punishment. A masochist. Your own words condemn you. Every time.

The difference is one is of the material world and the other isn't. You use aliens to get around your aversion to anything supernatural.

 

[hobelim]

The difference is one is of the material world and the other isn't. You use aliens to get around your aversion to anything supernatural.

Ezekiel 1 is not a description of anything supernatural. The living beings with a semblance of a hand were living creatures.who came down from the sky and interacted with living human beings, on earth.

 

[ding]

None of the Bibles are perfect at all...

The imperfection lies in interpreting the author's descriptive portrayal of reality. In other words, the failure to understand the actual message being sent by the author.

 

[ding]

Ezekiel 1 is not a description of anything supernatural.

You asked, "Angels, otherworldly beings, living creatures, Cherubim, aliens, what's the difference?"

The difference is that aliens are of the material world. Angels and God are not.

 

[ding]

You keep proving why a poster put you on iggy.

You must be one of those people who cares how other people see you to believe that would matter to me.

 

[hobelim]

You asked, "Angels, otherworldly beings, living creatures, Cherubim, aliens, what's the difference?"

The difference is that aliens are of the material world. Angels and God are not.

Every creature in the kingdom of God from angels to demons including every clean or unclean creature in between are metaphors for human archetypes that represent the heights and depths of human potential.

 

[ding]

Every creature in the kingdom of God from angels to demons including every clean or unclean creature in between are metaphors for human archetypes that represent the heights and depths of human potential.

Thank you for admitting you do not believe in the supernatural.

I've been saying that's what you believe for years.

 

[hobelim]

Thank you for admitting you do not believe in the supernatural.

I've been saying that's what you believe for years.

I understand what ancient Hebrew nomads were teaching their children. Nothing supernatural about that. Are you afraid of the big bad wolf? Did Pinocchio become a real boy? Its time to pay the piper dude. Or else!

Anyway, how can a person believe what he does not believe? Nevermind. I almost forgot. You are Catholic.

 

[ding]

I understand what ancient Hebrew nomads were teaching their children. Nothing supernatural about that.

Anyway, how can a person believe what he does not believe? Nevermind. I almost forgot. You are Catholic.

Aliens, right?

 

[hobelim]

Aliens, right?

"He stretched out what looked like a hand and took me by the hair of my head. The Spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven and in visions of God he brought me to Jerusalem, to the entrance of the north gate of the inner court, where the idol that provokes to jealousy stood." Ezekiel 8:3

He proceeded to dig through 7 1/2 ft of solid stone with his bare hands to see the corruption of temple worship

Do you really think something supernatural is being described here?

 

[ding]

"He stretched out what looked like a hand and took me by the hair of my head. The Spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven and in visions of God he took me to Jerusalem, to the entrance of the north gate of the inner court, where the idol that provokes to jealousy stood."

Do you really think something supernatural is being described here?

I think your alien story is awesome and will serve me well.

If you are looking for supernatural events, I suggest you look to the NT instead of the OT and start with the many miracles performed by Christ.

 

[The Irish Ram]

From AI

One of the key reasons King James I commissioned the King James Version (KJV) was to replace the Geneva Bible, which contained marginal notes that were critical of monarchy. The Geneva Bible, popular among Puritans, included commentary that challenged the divine right of kings, which was a doctrine King James strongly supported.

By creating the KJV, James ensured that the new translation would be free from politically controversial annotations and would reinforce royal authority. Some scholars also suggest that certain words, like "tyrant," were deliberately omitted or replaced to avoid negative connotations about rulers.

So, everyone had it wrong for 16 centuries and King James got it right. W#hat effing gullible people the believers are. It is mind boggling.

Actually, the King James is more accurate and it removed the notes in the margins which added to or took away from the scripture in the Geneva. The Geneva Bible with all its notes was not taken from the original Greek, but was a revolt by English Protestants who fled to Switzerland to escape Queen Mary. It wasn't a very accurate interpretation as much as it was an attack on the crown.
The King James is fine.