Pro open borders Clooneys leaving UK amid terror fears

[Toro]

4X more violent.........you dumbass.

Little-Known Gun Fact 6
Despite the very strict ban on guns in the UK, the overall rate of violent crime in the UK is about 4 times higher than it is in the United States. 7 In one recent year, there were 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people in the UK. 8In the United States, there were only 466 violent crimes per 100,000 people during that same year. Do we really want to be more like the UK? 9The UK has approximately 125 percent more rape victims per 100,000 people each year than the United States does. 10 The UK has approximately 133 percent more assault victims per 100,000 people each year than the United States does. UK has the fourth highest burglary rate in the EU. 11 The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

I went through the link. The Harvard study made no such claim.

Here's a study.

Gun crime is more prevalent in the US than in other rich countries

 

[Call Sign Chaos]

4X more violent.........you dumbass.

4X more violent.........you dumbass.

Little-Known Gun Fact 6
Despite the very strict ban on guns in the UK, the overall rate of violent crime in the UK is about 4 times higher than it is in the United States. 7 In one recent year, there were 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people in the UK. 8In the United States, there were only 466 violent crimes per 100,000 people during that same year. Do we really want to be more like the UK? 9The UK has approximately 125 percent more rape victims per 100,000 people each year than the United States does. 10 The UK has approximately 133 percent more assault victims per 100,000 people each year than the United States does. UK has the fourth highest burglary rate in the EU. 11 The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

I went through the link. The Harvard study made no such claim.

Here's a study.

Homicide rate =/= violent crime rate you stupid ****.

 

[Toro]

Ah, here we go. This is a good refutation of scaredasbil post, which are, of course, altfacts.

2. “In the UK there are 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people. …The US has a violent crime rate of 466 [violent] crimes per 100,000 residents.”

Some advice for Mr. Swann: when you see statistics that look unbelievable, you probably shouldn’t believe them, at least until you dig deeper into the data. Based on these figures, it appears that Britain is over 4 times more violent than the US, and since this is all he gives you, that is exactly what he leads his viewers to believe.

What Swann either doesn’t know, or simply doesn’t bother to tell his viewers, is that the definitions for “violent crime” are very different in the US and Britain, and the methodologies of the two statistics he cites are also different. (He probably simply doesn’t realize this: it appears that he lifted his data wholesale from a story in the Daily Mail, without checking it–something you might expect a fact checker to have done.)

First, it should be noted that the figures Swann gives are out of date: in 2010, according to the FBI, the reported rate of violent crime in the US was 403 incidents per 100,000 people–the 466 figure comes from 2007. Second, and more importantly, the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports defines a “violent crime” as one of four specific offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.

The British Home Office, by contrast, has a substantially different definition of violent crime. The British definition includes all “crimes against the person,” including simple assaults, all robberies, and all “sexual offenses,” as opposed to the FBI, which only counts aggravated assaults and “forcible rapes.”

When you look at how this changes the meaning of “violent crime,” it becomes clear how misleading it is to compare rates of violent crime in the US and the UK. You’re simply comparing two different sets of crimes. In 2009/10, for instance (annual data is from September to September), British police recorded 871,712 crimes against persons, 54,509 sexual offenses, and 75,101 robberies in England and Wales. Based on the 2010 population of 55.6 million, this gives a staggeringly high violent crime rate of 1,797 offenses per 100,00 people.

But of the 871,000 crimes against the person, less than half (401,000) involved any actual injury. The remainder were mostly crimes like simple assault without injury, harassment, “possession of an article with a blade or point,” and causing “public fear, alarm, or distress.” And of the 54,000 sexual offenses, only a quarter (15,000) were rapes. This makes it abundantly clear that the naive comparison of crime rates either wildly overstates the amount of violence in the UK or wildly understates it in the US.​

By the Numbers: Is the UK really 5 times more violent than the US?

 

[Toro]

Homicide rate =/= violent crime rate you stupid ****.

I'm sorry that math is so hard for you, Cry Sign Chaos, and that have to rely on alternative facts to support your worldview.

 

[2aguy]

Nope...appears to be true...The U.K. is extremely violent. More violent than the United States.

George wants to leave UK 'for twins' safety'

According to reports in Life & Style, the 56-year-old star is considering moving across the world for the sake of his twins Ella and Alexander’s safety.

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“He doesn’t feel like Amal and the twins are safe living in the UK.' an insider told the publication. “He’s determined to move his family to LA, where he feels much more secure.”

The outlet claims that it’s the recent spate of terrorism-related incidents in London and Manchester that are making the actor uneasy about settling in his $17 million (AUD) mansion in Berkshire.

The U.K. more violent than America.

Hilarious

Britain's chickens have come home to roost.

As Chaos Grips Britain, Its Chickens Come Home to Roost

As Chaos Grips Britain, Its Chickens Come Home to Roost

That's nice.

But the murder rate is 4x higher in America than in Britain.

Yes......criminals in democrat controlled neighborhoods in our major cities shoot each other more often than they do in Britain...but they are trying to catch up.......

of the 9,616 gun murders here in the states, 70-80% of the victims are criminals.....and of the rest, many are other criminals.....

In Britain, violent crime is through the roof...

I understand that the NRA fakenews talking points you read makes you believe that, but those UK crime statistics are off a really low base.

The murder rate in the UK as a whole is still a fraction of the murder rate in white America.

In order for you to have any point at all...you would have to show that the British gun murder rate went down after they banned and confiscated guns.....you can't do that.

Before the ban, their gun murder rates was low....after the ban in 96 their gun murder rate went up, then returned to the exact place it was before the ban...which showed that law abiding gun owners were not murdering anyone before or after the ban and that British criminals were not committing murder that often too.....

Now...their gun crime rate is going up, 42% in london..up in the rest of the country, after they banned guns....

Their bannin and confiscatiing guns has nothing to do with their gun crime rate or their gun murder rate.....

you have no point.

 

[2aguy]

Ah, here we go. This is a good refutation of scaredasbil post, which are, of course, altfacts.

2. “In the UK there are 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people. …The US has a violent crime rate of 466 [violent] crimes per 100,000 residents.”

Some advice for Mr. Swann: when you see statistics that look unbelievable, you probably shouldn’t believe them, at least until you dig deeper into the data. Based on these figures, it appears that Britain is over 4 times more violent than the US, and since this is all he gives you, that is exactly what he leads his viewers to believe.

What Swann either doesn’t know, or simply doesn’t bother to tell his viewers, is that the definitions for “violent crime” are very different in the US and Britain, and the methodologies of the two statistics he cites are also different. (He probably simply doesn’t realize this: it appears that he lifted his data wholesale from a story in the Daily Mail, without checking it–something you might expect a fact checker to have done.)

First, it should be noted that the figures Swann gives are out of date: in 2010, according to the FBI, the reported rate of violent crime in the US was 403 incidents per 100,000 people–the 466 figure comes from 2007. Second, and more importantly, the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports defines a “violent crime” as one of four specific offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.

The British Home Office, by contrast, has a substantially different definition of violent crime. The British definition includes all “crimes against the person,” including simple assaults, all robberies, and all “sexual offenses,” as opposed to the FBI, which only counts aggravated assaults and “forcible rapes.”

When you look at how this changes the meaning of “violent crime,” it becomes clear how misleading it is to compare rates of violent crime in the US and the UK. You’re simply comparing two different sets of crimes. In 2009/10, for instance (annual data is from September to September), British police recorded 871,712 crimes against persons, 54,509 sexual offenses, and 75,101 robberies in England and Wales. Based on the 2010 population of 55.6 million, this gives a staggeringly high violent crime rate of 1,797 offenses per 100,00 people.

But of the 871,000 crimes against the person, less than half (401,000) involved any actual injury. The remainder were mostly crimes like simple assault without injury, harassment, “possession of an article with a blade or point,” and causing “public fear, alarm, or distress.” And of the 54,000 sexual offenses, only a quarter (15,000) were rapes. This makes it abundantly clear that the naive comparison of crime rates either wildly overstates the amount of violence in the UK or wildly understates it in the US.​

By the Numbers: Is the UK really 5 times more violent than the US?

Dip shit.....you need to read your own link more carefully.....your own link states violent crime is more in Britain than in the U.S........from your own link...

By the Numbers: Is the UK really 5 times more violent than the US?

Due to fundamental differences in how crime is recorded and categorized, it’s impossible to compute exactly what the British violent crime rate would be if it were calculated the way the FBI does it, but if we must compare the two, my best estimate‡ would be something like 776 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

While this is still substantially higher than the rate in the United States, it’s nowhere near the 2,034 cited by Swann and the Mail.



And that is 6 years ago....new data out shows that crime has spiked in the Britain...

Here......more up to date information which shows you don't know what you are talking about...

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.
The Met Police's figures showed there were 2,544 gun crime offences from April 2016 to April 2017 compared to 1,793 offences from 2015 until 2016.
Knife crime also increased by 24% with 12,074 recorded offences from 2016 to 2017.
============
7/1/17...

Terrifying weapons haul destined for London seized at Channel Tunnel

This is a terrifying haul of lethal handguns destined for London crime gangs which were seized by officials at the Channel Tunnel terminal in France.

They were discovered in concealed compartments in a trailer attached to a Mercedes van as it prepared to enter the tunnel at the Coquelles terminal.

Border Force officials swooped after a joint investigation by the National Crime Agency and detectives from Scotland Yard’s organised crime unit.

Searches revealed a cache of 79 “viable” 4mm and 6mm handguns and a large quantity of ammunition, all hidden in specially adapted concealments in engine blocks.

Detectives believe the weapons had been smuggled from eastern Europe to be sold to organised crime gangs in London.

========================

Gun and knife crime soaring in London, official figures show

More worryingly, there was also a rise in the number of guns being fired on London’s streets, up from 239 cases in 2015/16 to 306 cases in the last financial year.

There was also a 20 per cent increase in the rate of knife attacks involving injuries to victims, up from 3,663 to 4,415 in 2016/17.

------

“We are concerned about the rise of gun crime and rise of knife crime offences committed by young people and the changing nature of the offenders. “

He said there was evidence that more young people are carrying knives for a variety of reasons including status, criminality and self-protection but said only around a quarter are affiliated with gangs.

He said police were focusing on reducing stabbings by taking weapons and dangerous offenders off the streets and trying to prevent and divert people from crime.
------

“With double-digit growth in gun and knife crime - and a youth homicide almost every fortnight - the crime challenge for London is real and serious and has serious impacts for London’s most disadvantaged communities.”
He added: “With 600 victims of serious youth violence each month, the Met needs a new plan to tackle the violence on our capital’s streets if they are to help impoverished communities.
==========

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

 

[Toro]

The U.K. more violent than America.

Hilarious

Britain's chickens have come home to roost.

As Chaos Grips Britain, Its Chickens Come Home to Roost

As Chaos Grips Britain, Its Chickens Come Home to Roost

That's nice.

But the murder rate is 4x higher in America than in Britain.

Yes......criminals in democrat controlled neighborhoods in our major cities shoot each other more often than they do in Britain...but they are trying to catch up.......

of the 9,616 gun murders here in the states, 70-80% of the victims are criminals.....and of the rest, many are other criminals.....

In Britain, violent crime is through the roof...

I understand that the NRA fakenews talking points you read makes you believe that, but those UK crime statistics are off a really low base.

The murder rate in the UK as a whole is still a fraction of the murder rate in white America.

In order for you to have any point at all...you would have to show that the British gun murder rate went down after they banned and confiscated guns.....you can't do that.

Before the ban, their gun murder rates was low....after the ban in 96 their gun murder rate went up, then returned to the exact place it was before the ban...which showed that law abiding gun owners were not murdering anyone before or after the ban and that British criminals were not committing murder that often too.....

Now...their gun crime rate is going up, 42% in london..up in the rest of the country, after they banned guns....

Their bannin and confiscatiing guns has nothing to do with their gun crime rate or their gun murder rate.....

you have no point.

Says the guy who makes thread after thread after thread about crimes anywhere and gun control with no context whatsoever.

 

[Toro]

Ah, here we go. This is a good refutation of scaredasbil post, which are, of course, altfacts.

2. “In the UK there are 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people. …The US has a violent crime rate of 466 [violent] crimes per 100,000 residents.”

Some advice for Mr. Swann: when you see statistics that look unbelievable, you probably shouldn’t believe them, at least until you dig deeper into the data. Based on these figures, it appears that Britain is over 4 times more violent than the US, and since this is all he gives you, that is exactly what he leads his viewers to believe.

What Swann either doesn’t know, or simply doesn’t bother to tell his viewers, is that the definitions for “violent crime” are very different in the US and Britain, and the methodologies of the two statistics he cites are also different. (He probably simply doesn’t realize this: it appears that he lifted his data wholesale from a story in the Daily Mail, without checking it–something you might expect a fact checker to have done.)

First, it should be noted that the figures Swann gives are out of date: in 2010, according to the FBI, the reported rate of violent crime in the US was 403 incidents per 100,000 people–the 466 figure comes from 2007. Second, and more importantly, the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports defines a “violent crime” as one of four specific offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.

The British Home Office, by contrast, has a substantially different definition of violent crime. The British definition includes all “crimes against the person,” including simple assaults, all robberies, and all “sexual offenses,” as opposed to the FBI, which only counts aggravated assaults and “forcible rapes.”

When you look at how this changes the meaning of “violent crime,” it becomes clear how misleading it is to compare rates of violent crime in the US and the UK. You’re simply comparing two different sets of crimes. In 2009/10, for instance (annual data is from September to September), British police recorded 871,712 crimes against persons, 54,509 sexual offenses, and 75,101 robberies in England and Wales. Based on the 2010 population of 55.6 million, this gives a staggeringly high violent crime rate of 1,797 offenses per 100,00 people.

But of the 871,000 crimes against the person, less than half (401,000) involved any actual injury. The remainder were mostly crimes like simple assault without injury, harassment, “possession of an article with a blade or point,” and causing “public fear, alarm, or distress.” And of the 54,000 sexual offenses, only a quarter (15,000) were rapes. This makes it abundantly clear that the naive comparison of crime rates either wildly overstates the amount of violence in the UK or wildly understates it in the US.​

By the Numbers: Is the UK really 5 times more violent than the US?

Dip shit.....you need to read your own link more carefully.....your own link states violent crime is more in Britain than in the U.S........from your own link...

By the Numbers: Is the UK really 5 times more violent than the US?

Due to fundamental differences in how crime is recorded and categorized, it’s impossible to compute exactly what the British violent crime rate would be if it were calculated the way the FBI does it, but if we must compare the two, my best estimate‡ would be something like 776 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

While this is still substantially higher than the rate in the United States, it’s nowhere near the 2,034 cited by Swann and the Mail.



And that is 6 years ago....new data out shows that crime has spiked in the Britain...

Here......more up to date information which shows you don't know what you are talking about...

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.
The Met Police's figures showed there were 2,544 gun crime offences from April 2016 to April 2017 compared to 1,793 offences from 2015 until 2016.
Knife crime also increased by 24% with 12,074 recorded offences from 2016 to 2017.
============
7/1/17...

Terrifying weapons haul destined for London seized at Channel Tunnel

This is a terrifying haul of lethal handguns destined for London crime gangs which were seized by officials at the Channel Tunnel terminal in France.

They were discovered in concealed compartments in a trailer attached to a Mercedes van as it prepared to enter the tunnel at the Coquelles terminal.

Border Force officials swooped after a joint investigation by the National Crime Agency and detectives from Scotland Yard’s organised crime unit.

Searches revealed a cache of 79 “viable” 4mm and 6mm handguns and a large quantity of ammunition, all hidden in specially adapted concealments in engine blocks.

Detectives believe the weapons had been smuggled from eastern Europe to be sold to organised crime gangs in London.

========================

Gun and knife crime soaring in London, official figures show

More worryingly, there was also a rise in the number of guns being fired on London’s streets, up from 239 cases in 2015/16 to 306 cases in the last financial year.

There was also a 20 per cent increase in the rate of knife attacks involving injuries to victims, up from 3,663 to 4,415 in 2016/17.

------

“We are concerned about the rise of gun crime and rise of knife crime offences committed by young people and the changing nature of the offenders. “

He said there was evidence that more young people are carrying knives for a variety of reasons including status, criminality and self-protection but said only around a quarter are affiliated with gangs.

He said police were focusing on reducing stabbings by taking weapons and dangerous offenders off the streets and trying to prevent and divert people from crime.
------

“With double-digit growth in gun and knife crime - and a youth homicide almost every fortnight - the crime challenge for London is real and serious and has serious impacts for London’s most disadvantaged communities.”
He added: “With 600 victims of serious youth violence each month, the Met needs a new plan to tackle the violence on our capital’s streets if they are to help impoverished communities.
==========

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

He said you can't calculate it. He does a quick back of the envelope.

And thanks for confirming my above post that all you do is post things with no context.

 

[Dragonlady]

Gun control laws don't eliminate all gun crime. No one ever claimed it does. But gun crime in every jurisdiction where guns are strictly controlled is substantially lower than in the US.

Canada has basically banned handguns for those without good reason to carry a gun. It doesn't eliminate gun violence but it does keep "good guys with guns" from getting shot because the only good guys with guns are cops.

Hunting is still a much loved sport in Canada and our gun laws respect that, but all large magazine automatic weapons are banned, along with handguns.

Nothing will ever totally eliminate gun violence, but the level of gun violence, from armed robbery to suicide and tragic accidental shootings is substantially reduced.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Gun control laws don't eliminate all gun crime. No one ever claimed it does. But gun crime in every jurisdiction where guns are strictly controlled is substantially lower than in the US.

Canada has basically banned handguns for those without good reason to carry a gun. It doesn't eliminate gun violence but it does keep "good guys with guns" from getting shot because the only good guys with guns are cops.

Hunting is still a much loved sport in Canada and our gun laws respect that, but all large magazine automatic weapons are banned, along with handguns.

Nothing will ever totally eliminate gun violence, but the level of gun violence, from armed robbery to suicide and tragic accidental shootings is substantially reduced.

Illegal border crossings into Canada continue to rise | Toronto Star

MONTREAL—The number of asylum seekers caught crossing illegally into Canada continues to rise, according to newly released figures.

The Canada Border Services Agency says that nearly half of the 1,860 migrants who have snuck across the Canada-United States border on foot rather than making a claim for refugee status at an official border crossing did so in March.

Give it a few years and the spike in crime will go up, like it did in England..

 

[TNHarley]

Gun control laws don't eliminate all gun crime. No one ever claimed it does. But gun crime in every jurisdiction where guns are strictly controlled is substantially lower than in the US.

Canada has basically banned handguns for those without good reason to carry a gun. It doesn't eliminate gun violence but it does keep "good guys with guns" from getting shot because the only good guys with guns are cops.

Hunting is still a much loved sport in Canada and our gun laws respect that, but all large magazine automatic weapons are banned, along with handguns.

Nothing will ever totally eliminate gun violence, but the level of gun violence, from armed robbery to suicide and tragic accidental shootings is substantially reduced.

Why are you always so wrong?
Chicago ring any bells?
762 murders last year. Thats like 28 for every 100000 residents. Do you know what Americas is? Do you know that chicago has strict gun control?
Would you like more examples?

 

[Call Sign Chaos]

Homicide rate =/= violent crime rate you stupid ****.

I'm sorry that math is so hard for you, Cry Sign Chaos, and that have to rely on alternative facts to support your worldview.

I'm sorry that you are too much of a stupid n!gger dick taking monkey ****** to understand that the homicide rate is not the same thing as overall violent crime.

 

[2aguy]

4X more violent.........you dumbass.

Little-Known Gun Fact 6
Despite the very strict ban on guns in the UK, the overall rate of violent crime in the UK is about 4 times higher than it is in the United States. 7 In one recent year, there were 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people in the UK. 8In the United States, there were only 466 violent crimes per 100,000 people during that same year. Do we really want to be more like the UK? 9The UK has approximately 125 percent more rape victims per 100,000 people each year than the United States does. 10 The UK has approximately 133 percent more assault victims per 100,000 people each year than the United States does. UK has the fourth highest burglary rate in the EU. 11 The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

I went through the link. The Harvard study made no such claim.

Here's a study.

View attachment 137472

Gun crime is more prevalent in the US than in other rich countries

And that stat doesn't matter......do their criminals pull the triggers on their guns? That is the difference.

Gun control laws don't eliminate all gun crime. No one ever claimed it does. But gun crime in every jurisdiction where guns are strictly controlled is substantially lower than in the US.

Canada has basically banned handguns for those without good reason to carry a gun. It doesn't eliminate gun violence but it does keep "good guys with guns" from getting shot because the only good guys with guns are cops.

Hunting is still a much loved sport in Canada and our gun laws respect that, but all large magazine automatic weapons are banned, along with handguns.

Nothing will ever totally eliminate gun violence, but the level of gun violence, from armed robbery to suicide and tragic accidental shootings is substantially reduced.

Wrong...the culture in those countries is different than in our inner cities......for you to be correct the gun crime and gun murder rate would have to go down after they enacted gun control on law abiding citizens.......the gun crime and the gun murder rates did not go down, in fact, in Britain they are going up, and dittos Australia

You guys think that normal people are shooting people and you base those crime stats on that, not on the behavior of criminals around the world......not all criminals commit murder as easily as American criminals do.

 

[2aguy]

Gun control laws don't eliminate all gun crime. No one ever claimed it does. But gun crime in every jurisdiction where guns are strictly controlled is substantially lower than in the US.

Canada has basically banned handguns for those without good reason to carry a gun. It doesn't eliminate gun violence but it does keep "good guys with guns" from getting shot because the only good guys with guns are cops.

Hunting is still a much loved sport in Canada and our gun laws respect that, but all large magazine automatic weapons are banned, along with handguns.

Nothing will ever totally eliminate gun violence, but the level of gun violence, from armed robbery to suicide and tragic accidental shootings is substantially reduced.

You are wrong....Britain banned and confiscated guns...their gun crime rate is going up.....42% last year......

The U.S.?

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 15.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
=======

So your entire argument is just wrong...and has no factual basis.......countries that banned guns have rising gun crime rates, our country that expanded gun ownership and gun carrying.....all categories of crime are going down...

 

[2aguy]

Ah, here we go. This is a good refutation of scaredasbil post, which are, of course, altfacts.

2. “In the UK there are 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people. …The US has a violent crime rate of 466 [violent] crimes per 100,000 residents.”

Some advice for Mr. Swann: when you see statistics that look unbelievable, you probably shouldn’t believe them, at least until you dig deeper into the data. Based on these figures, it appears that Britain is over 4 times more violent than the US, and since this is all he gives you, that is exactly what he leads his viewers to believe.

What Swann either doesn’t know, or simply doesn’t bother to tell his viewers, is that the definitions for “violent crime” are very different in the US and Britain, and the methodologies of the two statistics he cites are also different. (He probably simply doesn’t realize this: it appears that he lifted his data wholesale from a story in the Daily Mail, without checking it–something you might expect a fact checker to have done.)

First, it should be noted that the figures Swann gives are out of date: in 2010, according to the FBI, the reported rate of violent crime in the US was 403 incidents per 100,000 people–the 466 figure comes from 2007. Second, and more importantly, the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports defines a “violent crime” as one of four specific offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.

The British Home Office, by contrast, has a substantially different definition of violent crime. The British definition includes all “crimes against the person,” including simple assaults, all robberies, and all “sexual offenses,” as opposed to the FBI, which only counts aggravated assaults and “forcible rapes.”

When you look at how this changes the meaning of “violent crime,” it becomes clear how misleading it is to compare rates of violent crime in the US and the UK. You’re simply comparing two different sets of crimes. In 2009/10, for instance (annual data is from September to September), British police recorded 871,712 crimes against persons, 54,509 sexual offenses, and 75,101 robberies in England and Wales. Based on the 2010 population of 55.6 million, this gives a staggeringly high violent crime rate of 1,797 offenses per 100,00 people.

But of the 871,000 crimes against the person, less than half (401,000) involved any actual injury. The remainder were mostly crimes like simple assault without injury, harassment, “possession of an article with a blade or point,” and causing “public fear, alarm, or distress.” And of the 54,000 sexual offenses, only a quarter (15,000) were rapes. This makes it abundantly clear that the naive comparison of crime rates either wildly overstates the amount of violence in the UK or wildly understates it in the US.​

By the Numbers: Is the UK really 5 times more violent than the US?

Dip shit.....you need to read your own link more carefully.....your own link states violent crime is more in Britain than in the U.S........from your own link...

By the Numbers: Is the UK really 5 times more violent than the US?

Due to fundamental differences in how crime is recorded and categorized, it’s impossible to compute exactly what the British violent crime rate would be if it were calculated the way the FBI does it, but if we must compare the two, my best estimate‡ would be something like 776 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

While this is still substantially higher than the rate in the United States, it’s nowhere near the 2,034 cited by Swann and the Mail.



And that is 6 years ago....new data out shows that crime has spiked in the Britain...

Here......more up to date information which shows you don't know what you are talking about...

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.
The Met Police's figures showed there were 2,544 gun crime offences from April 2016 to April 2017 compared to 1,793 offences from 2015 until 2016.
Knife crime also increased by 24% with 12,074 recorded offences from 2016 to 2017.
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Terrifying weapons haul destined for London seized at Channel Tunnel

This is a terrifying haul of lethal handguns destined for London crime gangs which were seized by officials at the Channel Tunnel terminal in France.

They were discovered in concealed compartments in a trailer attached to a Mercedes van as it prepared to enter the tunnel at the Coquelles terminal.

Border Force officials swooped after a joint investigation by the National Crime Agency and detectives from Scotland Yard’s organised crime unit.

Searches revealed a cache of 79 “viable” 4mm and 6mm handguns and a large quantity of ammunition, all hidden in specially adapted concealments in engine blocks.

Detectives believe the weapons had been smuggled from eastern Europe to be sold to organised crime gangs in London.

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Gun and knife crime soaring in London, official figures show

More worryingly, there was also a rise in the number of guns being fired on London’s streets, up from 239 cases in 2015/16 to 306 cases in the last financial year.

There was also a 20 per cent increase in the rate of knife attacks involving injuries to victims, up from 3,663 to 4,415 in 2016/17.

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“We are concerned about the rise of gun crime and rise of knife crime offences committed by young people and the changing nature of the offenders. “

He said there was evidence that more young people are carrying knives for a variety of reasons including status, criminality and self-protection but said only around a quarter are affiliated with gangs.

He said police were focusing on reducing stabbings by taking weapons and dangerous offenders off the streets and trying to prevent and divert people from crime.
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“With double-digit growth in gun and knife crime - and a youth homicide almost every fortnight - the crime challenge for London is real and serious and has serious impacts for London’s most disadvantaged communities.”
He added: “With 600 victims of serious youth violence each month, the Met needs a new plan to tackle the violence on our capital’s streets if they are to help impoverished communities.
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Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

He said you can't calculate it. He does a quick back of the envelope.

And thanks for confirming my above post that all you do is post things with no context.

The guys stated....in your own link that there is higher violent crime in the U.K.....then I listed actual statistics from last year where all the areas of Britain are experiencing massive spikes in violent crime....

Nothing you say is based in truth, facts or reality.

 

[2aguy]

Ah, here we go. This is a good refutation of scaredasbil post, which are, of course, altfacts.

2. “In the UK there are 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people. …The US has a violent crime rate of 466 [violent] crimes per 100,000 residents.”

Some advice for Mr. Swann: when you see statistics that look unbelievable, you probably shouldn’t believe them, at least until you dig deeper into the data. Based on these figures, it appears that Britain is over 4 times more violent than the US, and since this is all he gives you, that is exactly what he leads his viewers to believe.

What Swann either doesn’t know, or simply doesn’t bother to tell his viewers, is that the definitions for “violent crime” are very different in the US and Britain, and the methodologies of the two statistics he cites are also different. (He probably simply doesn’t realize this: it appears that he lifted his data wholesale from a story in the Daily Mail, without checking it–something you might expect a fact checker to have done.)

First, it should be noted that the figures Swann gives are out of date: in 2010, according to the FBI, the reported rate of violent crime in the US was 403 incidents per 100,000 people–the 466 figure comes from 2007. Second, and more importantly, the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports defines a “violent crime” as one of four specific offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.

The British Home Office, by contrast, has a substantially different definition of violent crime. The British definition includes all “crimes against the person,” including simple assaults, all robberies, and all “sexual offenses,” as opposed to the FBI, which only counts aggravated assaults and “forcible rapes.”

When you look at how this changes the meaning of “violent crime,” it becomes clear how misleading it is to compare rates of violent crime in the US and the UK. You’re simply comparing two different sets of crimes. In 2009/10, for instance (annual data is from September to September), British police recorded 871,712 crimes against persons, 54,509 sexual offenses, and 75,101 robberies in England and Wales. Based on the 2010 population of 55.6 million, this gives a staggeringly high violent crime rate of 1,797 offenses per 100,00 people.

But of the 871,000 crimes against the person, less than half (401,000) involved any actual injury. The remainder were mostly crimes like simple assault without injury, harassment, “possession of an article with a blade or point,” and causing “public fear, alarm, or distress.” And of the 54,000 sexual offenses, only a quarter (15,000) were rapes. This makes it abundantly clear that the naive comparison of crime rates either wildly overstates the amount of violence in the UK or wildly understates it in the US.​

By the Numbers: Is the UK really 5 times more violent than the US?

Dip shit.....you need to read your own link more carefully.....your own link states violent crime is more in Britain than in the U.S........from your own link...

By the Numbers: Is the UK really 5 times more violent than the US?

Due to fundamental differences in how crime is recorded and categorized, it’s impossible to compute exactly what the British violent crime rate would be if it were calculated the way the FBI does it, but if we must compare the two, my best estimate‡ would be something like 776 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

While this is still substantially higher than the rate in the United States, it’s nowhere near the 2,034 cited by Swann and the Mail.



And that is 6 years ago....new data out shows that crime has spiked in the Britain...

Here......more up to date information which shows you don't know what you are talking about...

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.
The Met Police's figures showed there were 2,544 gun crime offences from April 2016 to April 2017 compared to 1,793 offences from 2015 until 2016.
Knife crime also increased by 24% with 12,074 recorded offences from 2016 to 2017.
============
7/1/17...

Terrifying weapons haul destined for London seized at Channel Tunnel

This is a terrifying haul of lethal handguns destined for London crime gangs which were seized by officials at the Channel Tunnel terminal in France.

They were discovered in concealed compartments in a trailer attached to a Mercedes van as it prepared to enter the tunnel at the Coquelles terminal.

Border Force officials swooped after a joint investigation by the National Crime Agency and detectives from Scotland Yard’s organised crime unit.

Searches revealed a cache of 79 “viable” 4mm and 6mm handguns and a large quantity of ammunition, all hidden in specially adapted concealments in engine blocks.

Detectives believe the weapons had been smuggled from eastern Europe to be sold to organised crime gangs in London.

========================

Gun and knife crime soaring in London, official figures show

More worryingly, there was also a rise in the number of guns being fired on London’s streets, up from 239 cases in 2015/16 to 306 cases in the last financial year.

There was also a 20 per cent increase in the rate of knife attacks involving injuries to victims, up from 3,663 to 4,415 in 2016/17.

------

“We are concerned about the rise of gun crime and rise of knife crime offences committed by young people and the changing nature of the offenders. “

He said there was evidence that more young people are carrying knives for a variety of reasons including status, criminality and self-protection but said only around a quarter are affiliated with gangs.

He said police were focusing on reducing stabbings by taking weapons and dangerous offenders off the streets and trying to prevent and divert people from crime.
------

“With double-digit growth in gun and knife crime - and a youth homicide almost every fortnight - the crime challenge for London is real and serious and has serious impacts for London’s most disadvantaged communities.”
He added: “With 600 victims of serious youth violence each month, the Met needs a new plan to tackle the violence on our capital’s streets if they are to help impoverished communities.
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Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

He said you can't calculate it. He does a quick back of the envelope.

And thanks for confirming my above post that all you do is post things with no context.

Again, since you obviously missed it the first time....

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Pro-open borders activists, George and Amal Clooney, are planning to leave the UK because they don’t feel safe after the recent spate of terror attacks, according to a family insider.

Pro-Open Borders Clooneys ‘Leaving UK Amid Terror Fears’
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Oh the little hypocrite is scared now , why we thought it was all a conspiracy theory. WHy they are so loving and caring.
Guess when one sees it for themselves they get a rude wake up call just like all the asses right here in the US will.

Oh and WHOSE his WIFE hmmmm lmfao these leftist are beyond fkn morons

I guess, this has something to do with the Looney's leaving Britain for greener pastures.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Pro-open borders activists, George and Amal Clooney, are planning to leave the UK because they don’t feel safe after the recent spate of terror attacks, according to a family insider.

Pro-Open Borders Clooneys ‘Leaving UK Amid Terror Fears’
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Oh the little hypocrite is scared now , why we thought it was all a conspiracy theory. WHy they are so loving and caring.
Guess when one sees it for themselves they get a rude wake up call just like all the asses right here in the US will.

Oh and WHOSE his WIFE hmmmm lmfao these leftist are beyond fkn morons

I guess, this has something to do with the Looney's leaving Britain for greener pastures.

But from what I heard that Californication has been turning into no-go zones also. Obama the EVIL one, really has it in for US citizens. Liberals, do you think you will be immune to the violence seen from Muslims? Don't count on it.

 

[blastoff]

Wonder how many armed bodyguards the Cloonster employs?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Wonder how many armed bodyguards the Cloonster employs?

More than you or me. but not as many as Nancy(blinkie) Pelosi.