President Trump signs EO to crack down on mail-in ballots

[markef]

Go ahead and ask. The great majority approves mail-in voting.

Pew Research Center (Aug. 2025)​

• 58% of Americans favor allowing any voter to cast a ballot by mail.
• Support is sharply partisan:
  • 83% of Democrats support it
  • 68% of Republicans oppose it

/www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/08/22/majority-of-americans-continue-to-back-expanded-early-voting-voting-by-mail-voter-id/?utm_source=copilot.com

Even if large majorities of Americans favored voter fraud that will never make voter fraud a good policy for people wanting to remain free and moral.

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

Are you saying undetected voter fraud must be detected for it to have occurred? That is illogical.

Are you saying that any administration can just make up a reason why the other party stole the election without any proof, and even when the investigations into what the administration is alleging don't turn up any proof, and even when people within that own party's administration tell them there is no proof or anything to substantiate that there is mass voter fraud, that we should allow administrations to disregard the entire process that upholds democracy? That we should allow politicians to organize to try and overturn a democratic election so that they can stay in power because of this belief, that holds no real evidence enough to overturn an election?

Do you understand, that whether Trump actually believes there is mass voter fraud or not, that he lied about and told his voterbase about things that his own administration had told him were not true? And he told his voterbase that those lies were true? Do you belive that or not?

Do you not think that Democrats can create narratives like Trump has regarding elections?

You spend so much time on this, but have you even read the January 6th Committee Report? Please, just read it. Or listen to it -- there are audiobooks of it. The report is mostly based of a lot of what Trump's own people have said and testified to. Which is what I don't get, you are so willing to belive that Democrats are doing all of these things without any actual proof, but then you ignore the proof we do have against Trump? Imagine if Biden lost the Presdiency in 2020, and Kamala Harris came out and said something like
"I want the American People to know that there are moments in public life where you are asked to make a choice between what is being asked of you, and what you know to be right. I faced such a moment.
I was asked by people at the highest levels of this administration to involve myself in the process in a way that I did not believe was proper, or legal, or in keeping with my oath. I said no. I chose my oath, and I always will.
Anyone who places their own interests above the sanctity of how Americans choose their leaders should never hold this office. And anyone who asks another person to do the same should never hold it again.
I'll just say this -- what I was asked to do, and the justifications I was given for it, were not true then. And they are not true now.
"
If Harris had come out and said that, along with an investigation that had many other Democrats saying that basically Biden was committing mass voter fraud, would that be enough for you to believe that Democrats were committing mass voter fraud?

I'm guessing it would be, because you believe mass voter fraud occurred even without substantial evidence. But then, my question is, why don't you hold your own party to even a fraction of what you hold Democrats to?

This is a real quote from the former Vice President in Mike Pence:
"I want the American People to know that I had no right to overturn the election. And that on that day, President Trump asked me to put him over the constitution, but I chose the constitution, and I always will. Anyone who puts themself over the constitution should never be President of the United States, and anyone who asks someone else to put themselves over the constitution should never be President of the United States again. But what the president maintained that day, and frankly has said over and over again over the last 2.5 years, is completely false."

And if you actually just read the January 6th Commitee Report, you will know exactly what Pence is referring to here. Trump had organized a fake/false slate of electors and was pressuring Pence to, in best case, accept those fake electors so he could remain President, or to at least delay the transfer of power.

Any patriotic American should hate Trump.

It's a long read, but you really should read it if you are so passionate about mass voter fraud occurring:

Select January 6th Committee Final Report and Supporting Materials Collection

www.govinfo.gov

 

[markef]

Are you saying that any administration can just make up a reason why the other party stole the election without any proof, and even when the investigations into what the administration is alleging don't turn up any proof, and even when people within that own party's administration tell them there is no proof or anything to substantiate that there is mass voter fraud, that we should allow administrations to disregard the entire process that upholds democracy? That we should allow politicians to organize to try and overturn a democratic election so that they can stay in power because of this belief, that holds no real evidence enough to overturn an election?

Nobody has proven the election was stolen and nobody has proven the election was not stolen.

Do you understand, that whether Trump actually believes there is mass voter fraud or not, that he lied about and told his voterbase about things that his own administration had told him were not true? And he told his voterbase that those lies were true? Do you belive that or not?

Do you not think that Democrats can create narratives like Trump has regarding elections?

I am unaware of anything Trump said that was untrue.

You spend so much time on this, but have you even read the January 6th Committee Report? Please, just read it. Or listen to it -- there are audiobooks of it. The report is mostly based of a lot of what Trump's own people have said and testified to. Which is what I don't get, you are so willing to belive that Democrats are doing all of these things without any actual proof, but then you ignore the proof we do have against Trump? Imagine if Biden lost the Presdiency in 2020, and Kamala Harris came out and said something like
"I want the American People to know that there are moments in public life where you are asked to make a choice between what is being asked of you, and what you know to be right. I faced such a moment.
I was asked by people at the highest levels of this administration to involve myself in the process in a way that I did not believe was proper, or legal, or in keeping with my oath. I said no. I chose my oath, and I always will.
Anyone who places their own interests above the sanctity of how Americans choose their leaders should never hold this office. And anyone who asks another person to do the same should never hold it again.
I'll just say this -- what I was asked to do, and the justifications I was given for it, were not true then. And they are not true now.

The Jan 6 committee was clearly one-sided and opposed to Trump. Evidence has since been uncovered showing democrat subversion in planning and carrying out the staged fake sedition used by democrats to deflect attention from the 2020 election fraud. The fact that the J-6 Committee illegally destroyed all their records just proves they were not honest or upright.

"
If Harris had come out and said that, along with an investigation that had many other Democrats saying that basically Biden was committing mass voter fraud, would that be enough for you to believe that Democrats were committing mass voter fraud?

I'm guessing it would be, because you believe mass voter fraud occurred even without substantial evidence. But then, my question is, why don't you hold your own party to even a fraction of what you hold Democrats to?

This is a real quote from the former Vice President in Mike Pence:
"I want the American People to know that I had no right to overturn the election. And that on that day, President Trump asked me to put him over the constitution, but I chose the constitution, and I always will. Anyone who puts themself over the constitution should never be President of the United States, and anyone who asks someone else to put themselves over the constitution should never be President of the United States again. But what the president maintained that day, and frankly has said over and over again over the last 2.5 years, is completely false."

And if you actually just read the January 6th Commitee Report, you will know exactly what Pence is referring to here. Trump had organized a fake/false slate of electors and was pressuring Pence to, in best case, accept those fake electors so he could remain President, or to at least delay the transfer of power.

Any patriotic American should hate Trump.

It's a long read, but you really should read it if you are so passionate about mass voter fraud occurring:

Select January 6th Committee Final Report and Supporting Materials Collection

www.govinfo.gov

Democrats claimed without defending themselves against the many unrefuted accusations of fraud that the 2020 election was the most secure and accurate in history, which has since been proven to have been one of the most outrageous political lies in history.

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

Nobody has proven the election was stolen and nobody has proven the election was not stolen.

But don't you think the onus is on the people that are alleging that it was stolen to prove that? Otherwise every administration could claim that an election was stolen and then defend it by saying that nobody has proven it wasn't stolen? Like I asked, you don't think narratives of election fraud couldn't be created by any party?

I am unaware of anything Trump said that was untrue.

What? Are you serious? I've already told you of some of his lies:
Acting Deputy Attorney General Richard Donoghue (REPUBLICAN) (12/27 & 12/31/20):

“I told the President myself that several times, in several conversations, that these allegations about ballots being smuggled in in a suitcase and run through the machine several times, it was not true, that we looked at it, we looked at the video, we interviewed the witnesses, that it was not true . . . . I believe it was in the phone call on December 27th. It was also in a meeting in the Oval Office on December 31st.” 107

President Trump later that week (1/2/21):

“he stuffed the machine. She stuffed the ballot. Each ballot went three times, they were showing: Here’s ballot number one. Here it is a second time, third time, next ballot.”  108
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GA Sec. State Brad Raffensperger (Republican) (1/2/21):

“You’re talking about the State Farm video. And I think it’s extremely unfortunate that Rudy Giuliani or his people, they sliced and diced that video and took it out of context.” . . . “[W]e did an audit of that and we proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times. . . . Yes, Mr. President, we’ll send you the link from WSB.” [Trump]: “I don’t care about a link. I don’t need it.”

President Trump one day later (1/3/21):

“I spoke to Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger yesterday about Fulton County and voter fraud in Georgia. He was unwilling, or unable, to answer questions such as the ‘ballots under table’ scam, ballot destruction, out of state ‘voters’, dead voters, and more. He has no clue!”
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-- on this Raffensperger one, it is particularly egregious because Giuliana manipulated the video through editing to make it look like something it wasn't in the full video. I would recommend watching the following --

Again, these are Republicans that are coming out against Trump.
There has been so many things that Trump has shared that has turned out to be false? But you are unaware of anything Trump said was untrue? And your dumbass still refuses to read the January 6th Committee Report?

The Jan 6 committee was clearly one-sided and opposed to Trump. Evidence has since been uncovered showing democrat subversion in planning and carrying out the staged fake sedition used by democrats to deflect attention from the 2020 election fraud.

Much of what is in the January 6th committee report is from REPUBLICANS. Statements, emails, texts, testimony...... you ******* idiot. Just stop. That's why I'm telling you to read it? You are talking about evidence that you accept for mass voter fraud? And then by your own standard, you would believe the January 6th committee report. That's what I'm telling you, you can't have one standard when you believe that there was enough doubt to blieve mass voter fraud, then also blieve that the Jnauary 6th commitee report was one sided. It's illogical.

The fact that the J-6 Committee illegally destroyed all their records just proves they were not honest or upright.

You dumbass. They did not illegally destory their records. The commitee has, however, released over 140 transcipts that your dumbass refuses to read, which again, you can find via this link -- Select January 6th Committee Final Report and Supporting Materials Collection

So you're telling me that they illegally destroyed all their records, but I just linked you to the transcripts and sources? What's next, you believe those transcripts are made up? And at the same time, you believe there's enough evidence that there was mass voter fraud? Can you at least admit that your position could be looked at as retarded?

Democrats claimed without defending themselves against the many unrefuted accusations of fraud that the 2020 election was the most secure and accurate in history, which has since been proven to have been one of the most outrageous political lies in history.

Whoa, let's be accurate here. Who said that it was the most secure in history? A republican has said that, sure. Let's remind
ourselves, it was Chri Krebs, Trump's own CISA Director said that. I don't know if you are allowed to read the following link, since you're in a cult:

Fired director of U.S. cyber agency Chris Krebs explains why President Trump's claims of election interference are false

Chris Krebs, a lifelong Republican, was put in charge of the agency handling election security by President Trump two years ago. When Krebs said the election was the country's most secure ever, Mr. Trump fired him. Now, Krebs speaks to Scott Pelley.

www.cbsnews.com

Bill Barr also resigned from his position over this fact? So why would these people that are Republicans and Trump appointees then go against Trump to no benefit of their own? If there was fraud, even the average Democrat voter would agree that voter fraud is terrible, so why are even Trump's own republicans going against him in 2020?

One Year Since January 6 | The Center for Election Innovation & Research

As we near January 6, 2022--more than a year after the incredibly successful 2020 election-- American democracy is under unprecedented attack.

electioninnovation.org

So, let's be clear here, you're not asking Democrats to defend themselves. You are asking Republicans to defend themselves against the 'unrefuted' acusations of fraud. And this is Trump's own FBI you're talking about LOL.

This is the thing, you won't even accept your own party telling you there was no mass voter fraud, and this is why you are dangerous to Democracy.

So it's the Democrats and many Republicans against Trump. But they are all corrupt, and Trump is the beacon of truth?

 

[jacksonlamb]

RedricktheCoat no more understand the need for evidence far beyond allegation than does jc456.

Pat him on the shoulder and walk by.

 

[markef]

But don't you think the onus is on the people that are alleging that it was stolen to prove that? Otherwise every administration could claim that an election was stolen and then defend it by saying that nobody has proven it wasn't stolen? Like I asked, you don't think narratives of election fraud couldn't be created by any party?

No. With overwhelming evidence of fraud and resistance to investigating fraud the onus is on democrats to either allow investigations into the fraud or present compelling evidence to refute the evidence of fraud.

What? Are you serious? I've already told you of some of his lies:
Acting Deputy Attorney General Richard Donoghue (REPUBLICAN) (12/27 & 12/31/20):

“I told the President myself that several times, in several conversations, that these allegations about ballots being smuggled in in a suitcase and run through the machine several times, it was not true, that we looked at it, we looked at the video, we interviewed the witnesses, that it was not true . . . . I believe it was in the phone call on December 27th. It was also in a meeting in the Oval Office on December 31st.” 107

President Trump later that week (1/2/21):

“he stuffed the machine. She stuffed the ballot. Each ballot went three times, they were showing: Here’s ballot number one. Here it is a second time, third time, next ballot.”  108
-----
GA Sec. State Brad Raffensperger (Republican) (1/2/21):

“You’re talking about the State Farm video. And I think it’s extremely unfortunate that Rudy Giuliani or his people, they sliced and diced that video and took it out of context.” . . . “[W]e did an audit of that and we proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times. . . . Yes, Mr. President, we’ll send you the link from WSB.” [Trump]: “I don’t care about a link. I don’t need it.”

President Trump one day later (1/3/21):

“I spoke to Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger yesterday about Fulton County and voter fraud in Georgia. He was unwilling, or unable, to answer questions such as the ‘ballots under table’ scam, ballot destruction, out of state ‘voters’, dead voters, and more. He has no clue!”
------------
-- on this Raffensperger one, it is particularly egregious because Giuliana manipulated the video through editing to make it look like something it wasn't in the full video. I would recommend watching the following --

Trump was right as we are now finding out because of US Justice Department investigations into the Georgia election of 2020.

Again, these are Republicans that are coming out against Trump.
There has been so many things that Trump has shared that has turned out to be false? But you are unaware of anything Trump said was untrue? And your dumbass still refuses to read the January 6th Committee Report?

Much of what is in the January 6th committee report is from REPUBLICANS. Statements, emails, texts, testimony...... you ******* idiot. Just stop. That's why I'm telling you to read it? You are talking about evidence that you accept for mass voter fraud? And then by your own standard, you would believe the January 6th committee report. That's what I'm telling you, you can't have one standard when you believe that there was enough doubt to blieve mass voter fraud, then also blieve that the Jnauary 6th commitee report was one sided. It's illogical.

You talk about the biased J-6 Committee evidence as though you are unaware the biased Trump-hating J-6 Committee illegally destroyed evidence from their biased investigation.

You dumbass. They did not illegally destory their records. The commitee has, however, released over 140 transcipts that your dumbass refuses to read, which again, you can find via this link -- Select January 6th Committee Final Report and Supporting Materials Collection

So you're telling me that they illegally destroyed all their records, but I just linked you to the transcripts and sources? What's next, you believe those transcripts are made up? And at the same time, you believe there's enough evidence that there was mass voter fraud? Can you at least admit that your position could be looked at as retarded?

Claiming they turned over some records does not refute the fact that they illegally destroyed many records, proving their dishonesty and guilt.

Whoa, let's be accurate here. Who said that it was the most secure in history? A republican has said that, sure. Let's remind
ourselves, it was Chri Krebs, Trump's own CISA Director said that. I don't know if you are allowed to read the following link, since you're in a cult:

Fired director of U.S. cyber agency Chris Krebs explains why President Trump's claims of election interference are false

Chris Krebs, a lifelong Republican, was put in charge of the agency handling election security by President Trump two years ago. When Krebs said the election was the country's most secure ever, Mr. Trump fired him. Now, Krebs speaks to Scott Pelley.

www.cbsnews.com

Bill Barr also resigned from his position over this fact? So why would these people that are Republicans and Trump appointees then go against Trump to no benefit of their own? If there was fraud, even the average Democrat voter would agree that voter fraud is terrible, so why are even Trump's own republicans going against him in 2020?

One Year Since January 6 | The Center for Election Innovation & Research

As we near January 6, 2022--more than a year after the incredibly successful 2020 election-- American democracy is under unprecedented attack.

electioninnovation.org

The fact remains that the 2020 election has turned out to have been one of the most corrupt or most corrupt in US history.

So, let's be clear here, you're not asking Democrats to defend themselves. You are asking Republicans to defend themselves against the 'unrefuted' acusations of fraud. And this is Trump's own FBI you're talking about LOL.

This is the thing, you won't even accept your own party telling you there was no mass voter fraud, and this is why you are dangerous to Democracy.

So it's the Democrats and many Republicans against Trump. But they are all corrupt, and Trump is the beacon of truth?

Claiming no fraud occurred is a far cry from disproving the massive amount of 2020 election fraud that has still not been refuted by democrats or republicans.

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

No. With overwhelming evidence of fraud and resistance to investigating fraud the onus is on democrats to either allow investigations into the fraud or present compelling evidence to refute the evidence of fraud.


Trump was right as we are now finding out because of US Justice Department investigations into the Georgia election of 2020.

You talk about the biased J-6 Committee evidence as though you are unaware the biased Trump-hating J-6 Committee illegally destroyed evidence from their biased investigation.

Claiming they turned over some records does not refute the fact that they illegally destroyed many records, proving their dishonesty and guilt.

The fact remains that the 2020 election has turned out to have been one of the most corrupt or most corrupt in US history.

Claiming no fraud occurred is a far cry from disproving the massive amount of 2020 election fraud that has still not been refuted by democrats or republicans.

Yeah, so basically you're an idiot. Is George Soros paying you post this shit or something?
But I'm done with this convo. This was such a weak response. you are not interested in countering the claims I have raised, or even looking or considering anything I've posted to you. I am actually disgusted by your lack of ability to use any kind of basic common sense, critical research or reasoning. Anyones opinion who actually matters will not be swayed by your arugment. You are speaking into a void that only other retards will listen to. Well done.

 

[markef]

Yeah, so basically you're an idiot. Is George Soros paying you post this shit or something?
But I'm done with this convo. This was such a weak response. you are not interested in countering the claims I have raised, or even looking or considering anything I've posted to you. I am actually disgusted by your lack of ability to use any kind of basic common sense, critical research or reasoning. Anyones opinion who actually matters will not be swayed by your arugment. You are speaking into a void that only other retards will listen to. Well done.

George Soros is not paying Americans to expose the voter machine fraud he has been involved with behind the scenes for 2 decades.