President Obama Believes Marijuana is Less Dangerous Than Alcohol

[High_Gravity]

PLENTY have died from smoking weed and continue to die as we speak.

Find me ONE PERSON who has died from an overdose of weed. Ready...GO!

How many people have died because someone ELSE was high on weed? In Colorado alone, fatal car accidents involving weed have tripled.

Really?

 

[whitehall]

You almost gotta laugh. The administration is at war with (legal) tobacco use with a brand new billion dollar ad campaign designed to scare kids away from tobacco and at the same time the administration coyly refuses to enforce the laws on the books which are designed to curb marijuana use.

 

[Katzndogz]

Find me ONE PERSON who has died from an overdose of weed. Ready...GO!

How many people have died because someone ELSE was high on weed? In Colorado alone, fatal car accidents involving weed have tripled.

Really?

Is Driving While High Dangerous? Fatal Car Accidents Involving Marijuana Triple Over 10 Years

According to a recent study of marijuana use and car accidents, fatal crashes involving people who were stoned have tripled over the last 10 years. The report, published in the American Journal of Epidemiology, found that the incidence of car crash victims with pot in their systems jumped from 4.2 percent in 1999 to 12.2 percent in 2010.

Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled « CBS Seattle

SEATTLE (CBS Seattle) – According to a recent study, fatal car crashes involving pot use have tripled in the U.S.
“Currently, one of nine drivers involved in fatal crashes would test positive for marijuana,” Dr. Guohua Li, director of the Center for Injury Epidemiology and Prevention at Columbia, and co-author of the study told HealthDay News.

 

[Katzndogz]

The most dangerous thing about pot is that it is illegal There is simply no credible argument that differentiates it from booze in a more negative way; any deleterious health aspect leveled against pot can be argued against alcohol at a greater degree. Making it illegal does not reduce it's availiblility - so you only add the pernicious black market aspects to it.

Did we learn one thing from prohibition

Sort of like fencing stolen jewelry.

What we should have learned from prohibition is that everything the prohibitionists said would happen really did happen.

 

[BlindBoo]

Everyone that repeats "Marijuana is less dangerous than alcohol" is out of touch.
This was very true in the past. I would have rather have someone on the road stoned than drunk.
But today...no so true. Modern high-high T variants you get 10 times as stoned as before.
Some variants are even hallucinogenic.
It is at least arguable today as to which is worse. Both are/can be devastating.
Having said that - I do not have a problem with legalizing it as a controlled substance. Prohibition does not work and only makes criminals out of otherwise normal-productive citizens.

One thing you'd think we should have learned over the Centuries is....

You can't legislate morality.

Not in a "Free" Country.

In North Korea? Maybe. In the US of A? Why even try?

Pot is not regulated because it is immoral, but because it is dangerous.

I consider it a sacrament and any law banning my using it as such is a violation of my constitutional right to religious freedom.

 

[KevinWestern]

Everyone that repeats "Marijuana is less dangerous than alcohol" is out of touch.
This was very true in the past. I would have rather have someone on the road stoned than drunk.
But today...no so true. Modern high-high T variants you get 10 times as stoned as before.
Some variants are even hallucinogenic.
It is at least arguable today as to which is worse. Both are/can be devastating.
Having said that - I do not have a problem with legalizing it as a controlled substance. Prohibition does not work and only makes criminals out of otherwise normal-productive citizens.

I disagree. Alcohol is the third leading lifestyle cause of death in this nation, and the statistics show quite clearly that it is indeed the more dangerous drug. I mean, we can start with the fact it's a toxic substance (bacteria or mold can't grow in a bottle of Jack Daniels) and can kill you simply from drinking too much of it.

Alcohol removes all inhibitions, and individuals generally will be prone to much riskier activity while drunk vs high on pot. I've witnessed individuals do both drugs, and I'm sure you have too.

Another point you bring up is the potency of marijuana. While this is true, I think you tend to forget that (a) not everyone smokes grade A+ marijuana grown in a medical lab that can knock you on your feet, and (b) people over a relatively short period of time will build up a tolerance much as they would with alcohol, and the "mind blowing hallucinogenic" highs you're describing generally get reduced to a feeling of calm for a veteran user.

A heavy drinker can put down 4 scotches and seem 100% fine, while someone trying it for the first time will likely hardly even be able to finish the first glass. Same concept with marijuana, only (unlike alcohol) it isn't slowly tearing your body/liver apart.

No debate here, in my view.


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[KevinWestern]

PLENTY have died from smoking weed and continue to die as we speak.

Find me ONE PERSON who has died from an overdose of weed. Ready...GO!

How many people have died because someone ELSE was high on weed? In Colorado alone, fatal car accidents involving weed have tripled.

Katz- alcohol is far more dangerous in this category (when it comes to driving cars). Absolutely no question at all. There isn't even a debate.

 

[KevinWestern]

President Obama Believes Marijuana is Less Dangerous Than Alcohol

He's right.

Does that matter?

Why does Obama refuse to remove marijuana from Schedule 1 status?

Because Obama is a fake. I really don't believe anything hes says anymore. Remember when he promised to have the "most transparent admin in history", lol?

 

[nodoginnafight]

President Obama Believes Marijuana is Less Dangerous Than Alcohol

That's one thing I can agree with POTUS on.

 

[TheOldSchool]

He's right.

Does that matter?

Why does Obama refuse to remove marijuana from Schedule 1 status?

Because Obama is a fake. I really don't believe anything hes says anymore. Remember when he promised to have the "most transparent admin in history", lol?

If he does I'll run around cheerleading for him and banging on more walls that rdean could ever hope to

 

[Jarlaxle]

Everyone that repeats "Marijuana is less dangerous than alcohol" is out of touch.
This was very true in the past. I would have rather have someone on the road stoned than drunk.
But today...no so true. Modern high-high T variants you get 10 times as stoned as before.
Some variants are even hallucinogenic.
It is at least arguable today as to which is worse. Both are/can be devastating.
Having said that - I do not have a problem with legalizing it as a controlled substance. Prohibition does not work and only makes criminals out of otherwise normal-productive citizens.

One thing you'd think we should have learned over the Centuries is....

You can't legislate morality.

Not in a "Free" Country.

In North Korea? Maybe. In the US of A? Why even try?

Pot is not regulated because it is immoral, but because it is dangerous.

No, thats another lie!

 

[Duped]

Everyone that repeats "Marijuana is less dangerous than alcohol" is out of touch.
This was very true in the past. I would have rather have someone on the road stoned than drunk.
But today...no so true. Modern high-high T variants you get 10 times as stoned as before.
Some variants are even hallucinogenic.
It is at least arguable today as to which is worse. Both are/can be devastating.
Having said that - I do not have a problem with legalizing it as a controlled substance. Prohibition does not work and only makes criminals out of otherwise normal-productive citizens.

One thing you'd think we should have learned over the Centuries is....

You can't legislate morality.

Not in a "Free" Country.

In North Korea? Maybe. In the US of A? Why even try?

Pot is not regulated because it is immoral, but because it is dangerous.

I understand the position that if you make something legal it seems to sugest that it is ok, and kids will use it that otherwise would not.

You ignore the fact that almost everyone who wants to smoke it will whether it is illegal or not, and you will not acknowledge that alcohol is dangerous; your pemise for making pot illegal! Nor will you remark pursuant to the black market, and the gravity of evil it brings. Your argument has no credibility, because you pick, and choose; you are narrow minded, and disingenuous. Ban all dangerous substances or none.

It is none of your buisness what people injest into their bodies You cannot regulate morality. Decide what is acceptable for you, and yours - let others do the same. You don't have the slightest clue as to how damaging the 30+ year " drug war " has been on our freedoms, families, and country. We are saturated with drugs. Do you really propose that we keep it up, and expect a different result

 

[plant]

One thing you'd think we should have learned over the Centuries is....

You can't legislate morality.

Not in a "Free" Country.

In North Korea? Maybe. In the US of A? Why even try?

Pot is not regulated because it is immoral, but because it is dangerous.

No, thats another lie!

That's all they have one lie after another

 

[Edgetho]

Everyone that repeats "Marijuana is less dangerous than alcohol" is out of touch.
This was very true in the past. I would have rather have someone on the road stoned than drunk.
But today...no so true. Modern high-high T variants you get 10 times as stoned as before.
Some variants are even hallucinogenic.
It is at least arguable today as to which is worse. Both are/can be devastating.
Having said that - I do not have a problem with legalizing it as a controlled substance. Prohibition does not work and only makes criminals out of otherwise normal-productive citizens.

One thing you'd think we should have learned over the Centuries is....

You can't legislate morality.

Not in a "Free" Country.

In North Korea? Maybe. In the US of A? Why even try?

Pot is not regulated because it is immoral, but because it is dangerous.

Katz, you and I agree on about 90% of the issues confronting us in this world.

But on this one, I'm going to have to respectfully not agree with you and I'll tell you why.

First off, Pot can be dangerous. So can water. Or sex. Or anything you use injudiciously. Without common sense, anything can be dangerous. Even knowledge.

As to the 'gateway drug' aspect of Pot? A legitimate concern.

But allow me this insight.

The only place you can buy Pot, in most places, is from a Drug Dealer.

You can't waltz into your local Walgreen's and order 5 grams of Pot to go.

You gotta get it from a dealer. An ILLEGAL Drug Dealer

And dealers like money. Many of them are just greedy asswipes. Not all Pot Dealers are, but many.

So here's the deal.... Little Johnny hears, for most of his young life, that "If you smoke Pot, you're gonna grow female breasts, your dick will fall off and you'll turn into a raving lunatic."

Later on, Little Johnny, being the inquisitive sort that ALL young people are, tries some Pot at a Party one night and wakes up the next morning feeling great. Unlike the morning after he downed a Pint of 'Old Kick Me In The Ass' Bourbon.

So Little Johnny doesn't trust or believe 'The Man' anymore on..... Just about anything.

So when a Dealer offers Little Johnny some Crack, or Coke, or H or whatever..... Ecstasy -- Whatever, Johnny thinks, "Why not? They bullshitted me about Pot."

And then we have a problem, Houston.

I've been around this World a long time. I've seen people turn to Alcohol, Religion, Hard Drugs, socialism, dimocrapism, victimhood and many other 'crutches' to try to make it through life with their minds still intact.

All of those can damage a person beyond repair. Even Religion when it's misapplied and over-used. All of them.

It's one reason I have no patience for dimocrap scum.... It's an affliction, a crutch, an excuse, a cop-out....

But let me tell you this...... Of all the losers I've seen in this life, very few of them are that way because of Pot.

Is it stronger today than it ever was? Oh HELL yes!

So what? Just don't smoke as much.

Not your thing? I can respect that. No problem. Sauce for the Goose 'n all like that.

But putting people in Jail for smoking a plant that Queen Victoria used for Menstrual Cramps? Ruining people's lives for smoking something that was made illegal accidentally (Prohibition)?

Destroying a person's life for smoking an herb that makes you so mellow, the most harmful thing you can think of doing is raiding the refrigerator?

Absurd. And one reason why the Republican Party is seen as being 'out of touch'.

 

[Katzndogz]

Find me ONE PERSON who has died from an overdose of weed. Ready...GO!

How many people have died because someone ELSE was high on weed? In Colorado alone, fatal car accidents involving weed have tripled.

Katz- alcohol is far more dangerous in this category (when it comes to driving cars). Absolutely no question at all. There isn't even a debate.

As marijuana becomes legalized, like alcohol is legalized, driving deaths involving marijuana will eclipse drunk driving. Not to mention that many times, the offending driver is both drunk and high.

 

[KevinWestern]

How many people have died because someone ELSE was high on weed? In Colorado alone, fatal car accidents involving weed have tripled.

Katz- alcohol is far more dangerous in this category (when it comes to driving cars). Absolutely no question at all. There isn't even a debate.

As marijuana becomes legalized, like alcohol is legalized, driving deaths involving marijuana will eclipse drunk driving. Not to mention that many times, the offending driver is both drunk and high.

Again though, that's speculation. The OP asserted that marijuana IS more dangerous than alcohol and if we're talking current day and age there's no question it's alcohol. I also disagree with your speculation.

Alcohol removes inhibitions and makes people do very risky stupid things. Pot - on the other hand - makes people calm, relaxed, and sometimes even paranoid. High people will wonder things like "did I sound really dumb when I said that? Are they looking at me?" at a party whereas a drunk person will talk obnoxiously & confidently and won't worry about the prospect of getting a DUI when he enters the car. Drunk people think they're invincible while high people are INCREDIBLY aware of their vulnerabilities.

This is basic stuff.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Katz- alcohol is far more dangerous in this category (when it comes to driving cars). Absolutely no question at all. There isn't even a debate.

As marijuana becomes legalized, like alcohol is legalized, driving deaths involving marijuana will eclipse drunk driving. Not to mention that many times, the offending driver is both drunk and high.

Again though, that's speculation. The OP asserted that marijuana IS more dangerous than alcohol and if we're talking current day and age there's no question it's alcohol. I also disagree with your speculation.

Alcohol removes inhibitions and makes people do very risky stupid things. Pot - on the other hand - makes people calm, relaxed, and sometimes even paranoid. High people will wonder things like "did I sound really dumb when I said that? Are they looking at me?" at a party whereas a drunk person will talk obnoxiously, confidently.

Not to mention katz just engaged in some of the wildest speculation I've ever seen

 

[Katzndogz]

One thing you'd think we should have learned over the Centuries is....

You can't legislate morality.

Not in a "Free" Country.

In North Korea? Maybe. In the US of A? Why even try?

Pot is not regulated because it is immoral, but because it is dangerous.

Katz, you and I agree on about 90% of the issues confronting us in this world.

But on this one, I'm going to have to respectfully not agree with you and I'll tell you why.

First off, Pot can be dangerous. So can water. Or sex. Or anything you use injudiciously. Without common sense, anything can be dangerous. Even knowledge.

As to the 'gateway drug' aspect of Pot? A legitimate concern.

But allow me this insight.

The only place you can buy Pot, in most places, is from a Drug Dealer.

You can't waltz into your local Walgreen's and order 5 grams of Pot to go.

You gotta get it from a dealer. An ILLEGAL Drug Dealer

And dealers like money. Many of them are just greedy asswipes. Not all Pot Dealers are, but many.

So here's the deal.... Little Johnny hears, for most of his young life, that "If you smoke Pot, you're gonna grow female breasts, your dick will fall off and you'll turn into a raving lunatic."

Later on, Little Johnny, being the inquisitive sort that ALL young people are, tries some Pot at a Party one night and wakes up the next morning feeling great. Unlike the morning after he downed a Pint of 'Old Kick Me In The Ass' Bourbon.

So Little Johnny doesn't trust or believe 'The Man' anymore on..... Just about anything.

So when a Dealer offers Little Johnny some Crack, or Coke, or H or whatever..... Ecstasy -- Whatever, Johnny thinks, "Why not? They bullshitted me about Pot."

And then we have a problem, Houston.

I've been around this World a long time. I've seen people turn to Alcohol, Religion, Hard Drugs, socialism, dimocrapism, victimhood and many other 'crutches' to try to make it through life with their minds still intact.

All of those can damage a person beyond repair. Even Religion when it's misapplied and over-used. All of them.

It's one reason I have no patience for dimocrap scum.... It's an affliction, a crutch, an excuse, a cop-out....

But let me tell you this...... Of all the losers I've seen in this life, very few of them are that way because of Pot.

Is it stronger today than it ever was? Oh HELL yes!

So what? Just don't smoke as much.

Not your thing? I can respect that. No problem. Sauce for the Goose 'n all like that.

But putting people in Jail for smoking a plant that Queen Victoria used for Menstrual Cramps? Ruining people's lives for smoking something that was made illegal accidentally (Prohibition)?

Destroying a person's life for smoking an herb that makes you so mellow, the most harmful thing you can think of doing is raiding the refrigerator?

Absurd. And one reason why the Republican Party is seen as being 'out of touch'.

Because you are wrong. Yes, if little Johnny smokes pot he will grow tits.
Does smoking pot cause man boobs? - CNN.com

While little Johnny's dick won't fall off, he may indeed get testicular cancer.
Study Links Marijuana Use to Testicular Cancer

How mellow does pot make people? Ask Ronald Poppo or Lisa Voice

Miami cannibal Rudy Eugene 'had only taken marijuana' before attack | Metro News
AND THOSE THAT CONDONE CANNABIS USE SAY IT'S HARMLESS - ASK LISA - Page 2

You want to believe that pot is harmless. You want to believe it badly, so badly that all evidence to the contrary is just dismissed as not fitting in with the reality that pot is making for you.

 

[KevinWestern]

Because you are wrong. Yes, if little Johnny smokes pot he will grow tits.
Does smoking pot cause man boobs? - CNN.com

While little Johnny's dick won't fall off, he may indeed get testicular cancer.
Study Links Marijuana Use to Testicular Cancer

How mellow does pot make people? Ask Ronald Poppo or Lisa Voice

Miami cannibal Rudy Eugene 'had only taken marijuana' before attack | Metro News
AND THOSE THAT CONDONE CANNABIS USE SAY IT'S HARMLESS - ASK LISA - Page 2

You want to believe that pot is harmless. You want to believe it badly, so badly that all evidence to the contrary is just dismissed as not fitting in with the reality that pot is making for you.

HAHA Katz, lets ask the psychotic cannibal madman "what drugs" he took and assume that whatever he says is fact. This is especially a good idea because everyone who gets arrested often tells the police about all the illegal drugs he/she has taken. Foolproof plan.

But you got me, after looking I don't think I'm able to find a single story on the entire internet where drinking has led to a robbery or murder. In history. Not a single one. Looks like marijuana wins.

Lol.


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[Edgetho]

How many people have died because someone ELSE was high on weed? In Colorado alone, fatal car accidents involving weed have tripled.

Katz- alcohol is far more dangerous in this category (when it comes to driving cars). Absolutely no question at all. There isn't even a debate.

As marijuana becomes legalized, like alcohol is legalized, driving deaths involving marijuana will eclipse drunk driving. Not to mention that many times, the offending driver is both drunk and high.

Alcohol impairs one's Judgement as well as one's physical ability to operate a car. Not only that, it can make one overly aggressive.

And that's the killer.

Pot can, and does, impair one's physical and cognitive ability but it doesn't make a person aggressive. If anything, it makes most people paranoid, especially in tense situations.

Pot has a different effect on people.