Prepare for gun grabber tears.... Senate anti-gun proposals don't seem to give them what they wanted.....good....I hope it stays that way...

[night_son]

If I can't find anything to bitch about...I doubt it's going to have trouble in the Senate.

It doesn't ban any guns or magazines.

It doesn't expand background checks.

It doesn't create a federal Red Flag Law.

It doesn't repeal the immunity from frivolous laws suits of gun manufacturers.

It DOES enhance penalties for straw purchases.

It DOES expand mental health initiatives.

It DOES expand armed school resource officer funding.

All the things we've been advocating for YEARS.

All I'm seeing is one compromise...the enhanced investigations of 18, 19 and 20 year old firearm purchasers.

I'm not thrilled about that...but that is better than them losing their rights altogether...so...a compromise.

The gun control advocates are getting almost none of what they were demanding. They're the ones that will need convincing.

There can be no compromise on our Second Amendment rights.

 

[Missourian]

Don't be gullible.

2aguy has the same take independently...

Going to have this thread rolled into that one...

Prepare for gun grabber tears.... Senate anti-gun proposals don't seem to give them what they wanted.....good....I hope it stays that way...

The proposed deal in the Senate on violating the Rights of Americans.....at first look, it doesn't seem like the democrats got the anti-gun laws they wanted.....but we may actually address the problems of mass public shooters....something that also hurts the democrats...since mass public...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[johngaltshrugged]

No Guns For You!
Next!

LOL And you don't think that would cause some problems?
C'mon man, that is not gonna stop gun violence & you're at least smart enough to know that

 

[XponentialChaos]

If I can't find anything to bitch about...I doubt it's going to have trouble in the Senate.

It doesn't ban any guns or magazines.

It doesn't expand background checks.

It doesn't create a federal Red Flag Law.

It doesn't repeal the immunity from frivolous laws suits of gun manufacturers.

It DOES enhance penalties for straw purchases.

It DOES expand mental health initiatives.

It DOES expand armed school resource officer funding.

All the things we've been advocating for YEARS.

All I'm seeing is one compromise...the enhanced investigations of 18, 19 and 20 year old firearm purchasers.

I'm not thrilled about that...but that is better than them losing their rights altogether...so...a compromise.

The gun control advocates are getting almost none of what they were demanding. They're the ones that will need convincing.

I hope you’re right.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

Investment in Children and Family Mental Health Services
● National expansion of community behavioral health center model; major investments to increase access to mental health and suicide prevention programs; and other support services available in the community, including crisis and trauma intervention and recovery.

This sounds GREAT! It's going to cost a goodly amount of money but so long as you guys who like guns are willing to pay a bit extra it might help a LOT.

Protections for Victims of Domestic Violence
● Convicted domestic violence abusers and individuals subject to domestic violence restraining orders are included in NICS, including those who have or have had a continuing relationship of a romantic or intimate nature.

Excellent

Funding for School-Based Mental Health and Supportive Services
● Invests in programs to expand mental health and supportive services in schools, including: early identification and intervention programs and school based mental health and wrap-around services.

Another good idea!

Funding for School Safety Resources
● Invests in programs to help institute safety measures in and around primary and secondary schools, support school violence prevention efforts and provide training to school personnel and students.

Well, given what happened in Parkland and Uvalde I don't think that's actually been shown to be particularly effective. But hey, if you guys who have kids in the schools want to pay for it, knock yerselves out. I already pay for your crotch-fruit's schooling and I don't have any kids and never will, so if you don't mind I'll sit out the cost on this one since it's not technically my problem.

Clarification of Definition of Federally Licensed Firearms Dealer
● Cracks down on criminals who illegally evade licensing requirements.

Good.

Telehealth Investments
● Invests in programs that increase access to mental and behavioral health services for youth and families in crisis via telehealth.

This is basically noise at this point. Telehealth is a great system and can easily offset its own costs. But getting help to more people is always a good thing.

Under 21 Enhanced Review Process
● For buyers under 21 years of age, requires an investigative period to review juvenile and mental health records, including checks with state databases and local law enforcement.

Why just "under 21 years"? Let's review the mental health records and databases for ALL gun purchasers. (I assume that is already part of the gun purchase but if not it should be.)

Penalties for Straw Purchasing
● Cracks down on criminals who illegally straw purchase and traffic guns.

That's going to be tough on Kyle Rittenhouse's friend who did the straw purchase for his murder rampage..oh, I mean, "justice dealing"

 

[Sunsettommy]

Further proof that conservatives are lying – no guns will be ‘banned,’ no guns will be ‘confiscated.’

There is a lot of talk about banning the AR-15 from leftists.

 

[toobfreak]

Senate announces bipartisan framework for gun control package

Let me try to avoid coughing up my drink through my nose as I laugh my ass off.

The proposal includes initiatives to support state crisis intervention orders; a national expansion of mental health services for children and families; expanding mental health programs in schools; enhanced review process for gun buyers under the age of 21; penalties for straw purchases; additional funding for school resource officers.

So much meaningless blather. Fools doing squat just to make themselves look like they are really doing something. None of that crap will do a thing but eat up more tax revenue and the shootings will continue because they haven't the stones to admit the real cause of school shootings! It's the fucking crappy, psycho, gov-run schools!

Want proof? These shooting sprees just don't happen much outside of progressive, public schools employing gun-free zones. Take away the progressiveness, make it a private school, take away the gun-free zone or any combination of the above and suddenly, 94% of all the school gun crime GOES AWAY.

These idiots simply REFUSE to protect these children because they would have to admit by arming some of the school staff that guns used properly are an effective means to saving lives that we cannot do without! Because, what they are REALLY after is just to ban ALL gun ownership from private hands regardless of its impact on crime because they DON'T. WANT. YOU. BEING. ABLE. TO. FIGHT. BACK.

Defenseless people are easy to control.

 

[Missourian]

This is a lie.

The proposed measure has no provisions for regulating firearms.

So ... you are saying this is in fact not a gun control bill.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

That meme is spot on.

Liberals can often be found both ridiculing the idea of AR15s as a means for civilians to defend themselves from an out-of-control government and also claiming dread fear of AR15s because they are "weapons of war."

Ummm, no, actually. It's the gun advocates who CONSTANTLY remind us that the AR-15 is little more than a fancy dressed up semi-auto no different from normal looking semi-auto hunting rifles.

So, personally, I have integrated that into my position. If AR-15's are no worse than regular guns and we want to ban AR-15's....well, I think you can draw your own conclusion. I mean it's the point of the gun owners themselves.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

There is a lot of talk about banning the AR-15 from leftists.

It's mostly hot air just to scare you little gentle flowers. It's fun to watch you guys waste all your money buying up guns everytime a Dem gets elected. The only downside is some who collect a lot of guns aren't as "stable" as you are so bad things happen.

But, in reality, we are realists and we know all guns will not be made illegal or grabbed from you. You MIGHT have a few more rules you have to live with (registries, expanded background checks...nothing you yourself wouldn't like to see for every member of BLM or Antifa, so it's all good).

 

[Flash]

Every American is getting hammered on inflation and these sorry assholes have time to discuss useless gun restrictions? They can fuck off.

 

[toobfreak]

So you dont like both parties working on a solution to school massacres ? You are part of the problem mormon bob.

Don't make us laugh, Timmy. There is no "solution" being worked on here, merely a bunch of feckless politicians trying to do something that will prove 99% ineffective to appease public pressure that they LOOK like they are actually doing something!

The irony of it all is that government is powerless to change human behavior, it isn't up to them to try to change something they cannot, it is up to PEOPLE to change themselves back into the healthy moral society that leftwing progs have THROWN AWAY.

 

[toobfreak]

Don't be gullible.

Sure. Because after they pass this load of steaming crap and it doesn't work and nothing much changes, obviously, the next step will be to dig in deeper into our gun rights! Then again, and again, not willing to admit they are not addressing the root cause, instead, will simply maintain that they simply have not yet done ENOUGH, and need to do more, and more, and more.

That enough won't come until the 2A is dust.

And school violence and gun crime will STILL be in effect more so than ever because they are not willing to address the real cause: moral turpitude from an overly progressive, amoral society.

 

[Missourian]

Some Trump voters will be allowed to keep their guns

To verify their mental health, they just need to answer one question

Who won the 2020 election?

What is "Not Joe Biden."? .... I'll take current world leaders with dementia for a thousand, Alex.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Ummm, no, actually. It's the gun advocates who CONSTANTLY remind us that the AR-15 is little more than a fancy dressed up semi-auto no different from normal looking semi-auto hunting rifles.

In function that is true. Unless you know of a substantive difference?

So, personally, I have integrated that into my position. If AR-15's are no worse than regular guns and we want to ban AR-15's....well, I think you can draw your own conclusion. I mean it's the point of the gun owners themselves.

Ah, I see your mistake. Happy to explain it to you.

Not I, nor anyone else that I know of, says that "AR-15's are no worse than regular guns." There is no "regular gun."

AR-15's are actually better than hunting rifles in many respects. To wit: Their pistol grips make them easier to control when engaging multiple targets in a short time. Their sights are more quickly aimed at multiple short-range targets than a hunting scope meant for slow moving game far away. Their high-capacity, easily detachable magazine, means that a person defending their home against a government turned fascist can sustain suppression fire long enough for back up to arrive and flank the storm troopers with their own AR-15's.

Here is a diagram so you see what I mean:

Notice also the telescoping butt, and relatively short length compared to a hunting rifle. This allows it to be carried comfortably and to be wielded easily in a confined hiding spot.

If only the Europeans who were massacred by socialists of different stripes in the middle of the 20th century had had such tools at their disposal. Imagine a squad of German Einsattsgruppe or Soviet GRU pounding on the door of a synagogue only to be met with suppression fire from the obliques then subjected to a withering crossfire from the nearby woods. The AR15 is capable of short and medium range fire and can be adapted to relatively longer range fire.

Sorry, what was your point again?

 

[mudwhistle]

What is "Not Joe Biden."? .... I'll take current world leaders with dementia for a thousand, Alex.

 

[rightwinger]

What is "Not Joe Biden."? .... I'll take current world leaders with dementia for a thousand, Alex.

No guns for you
Who is next?

 

[rightwinger]

AR-15's are actually better than hunting rifles in many respects. To wit: Their pistol grips make them easier to control when engaging multiple targets in a short time. Their sights are more quickly aimed at multiple short-range targets than a hunting scope meant for slow moving game far away. Their high-capacity, easily detachable magazine, means that a person defending their home against a government turned fascist can sustain suppression fire long enough for back up to arrive and flank the storm troopers with their own AR-15's.

They are also superior when hunting down shoppers and 10 year olds

 

[Missourian]

In function that is true. Unless you know of a substantive difference?

Ah, I see your mistake. Happy to explain it to you.

Not I, nor anyone else that I know of, says that "AR-15's are no worse than regular guns." There is no "regular gun."

AR-15's are actually better than hunting rifles in many respects. To wit: Their pistol grips make them easier to control when engaging multiple targets in a short time. Their sights are more quickly aimed at multiple short-range targets than a hunting scope meant for slow moving game far away. Their high-capacity, easily detachable magazine, means that a person defending their home against a government turned fascist can sustain suppression fire long enough for back up to arrive and flank the storm troopers with their own AR-15's.

Here is a diagram so you see what I mean:

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Notice also the telescoping butt, and relatively short length compared to a hunting rifle. This allows it to be carried comfortably and to be wielded easily in a confined hiding spot.

If only the Europeans who were massacred by socialists of different stripes in the middle of the 20th century had had such tools at their disposal. Imagine a squad of German Einsattsgruppe or Soviet GRU pounding on the door of a synagogue only to be met with suppression fire from the obliques then subjected to a withering crossfire from the nearby woods. The AR15 is capable of short and medium range fire and can be adapted to relatively longer range fire.

Sorry, what was your point again?

... and most importantly... It's modular nature makes it extraordinarily easy to repair at home with simple tools.

 

[Missourian]

No guns for you
Who is next?

When you going to be by to pick them up?

I certainly wouldn't want to miss you.