Zone1 Preconditions for keeping the Sabbath.

[Woodznutz]

yes. But those who care make sure to move close enough. That's why prices in Jewish communities are driven up -- the demand is constant but the radius around a synagogue which marks a maximum distance doesn't change so the supply is very limited.

did you actually look at that list? That list is about preparing your home for the sabbath by cleaning it. Sorry that this seems an undue burden. I find that washing the dishes makes the whole kitchen feel cleaner. Nothing in that list is a required ritual, nor a pre-requisite for a ritual (except for the fact that you need to have bread prepared for dinner).

Except none of that is a prescribed (trust me, you don't mean "proscribed"). That is a list put out by a group to help you keep track of errands and tasks. None is required.

that's nice. I'm glad she has her mom. I know women with significantly more children who don't need any help. So?

Some moms employ nannies, some au pairs, some have baby nurses, some have cleaning help. What's your point? That life can be more demanding or overwhelming for some people than others?

To the point. Do Jews actually rest on the Sabbath, or are they still on the hamster wheel?

 

[Woodznutz]

yes. But those who care make sure to move close enough. That's why prices in Jewish communities are driven up -- the demand is constant but the radius around a synagogue which marks a maximum distance doesn't change so the supply is very limited.

You have to be kidding. You can drive a mile in a couple minutes with no physical work involved.

 

[Woodznutz]

Except none of that is a prescribed (trust me, you don't mean "proscribed"). That is a list put out by a group to help you keep track of errands and tasks. None is required.

Not even tearing the toilet paper?

 

[rosends]

To the point. Do Jews actually rest on the Sabbath, or are they still on the hamster wheel?

you are using an English word, "rest" but that's not necessarily what you mean.

On the sabbath, we cease from 39 basic categories of active/creative work. There is an aspect of physical resting/relaxing on the day, yes, but it might not present itself the way you envision resting.

 

[rosends]

You have to be kidding. You can drive a mile in a couple minutes with no physical work involved.

That's nice and irrelevant. Religious Jews don't drive on the sabbath.

 

[rosends]

Not even tearing the toilet paper?

that is an understanding by some. Some who are concerned about whether tearing paper is forbidden on the sabbath simply buy a product that doesn't need to be ripped.

https://www.staples.com/scott-cotton-z-fold-toilet-paper-2-ply-white-250-sheets-pack-36-packs-carton-48280/product_854025?cid=ps:gs:dot:nb:pla:clean&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=14026686371&gbraid=0AAAAACN4I7zet8D8lFkqSLCTO5wMJcqp0&gclid=Cj0KCQjwtMHEBhC-ARIsABua5iS20x5Hq-GMWKTC2o9QoUmNBnpyKWgh14jA724rM3eK7Z3N032X3b4aAiFfEALw_wcB

 

[Woodznutz]

Is eating lunch one of those rituals?

Seems to be.

Shabbat: What to Expect at a Jewish Sabbath Dinner

Friday night, Jewish families typically transition to a spiritual mode. The Sabbath dinner menu often includes traditional favorites.

www.thespruceeats.com

 

[rosends]

Seems to be.

Shabbat: What to Expect at a Jewish Sabbath Dinner

Friday night, Jewish families typically transition to a spiritual mode. The Sabbath dinner menu often includes traditional favorites.

www.thespruceeats.com

that's dinner but whatever.

You see eating a meal as a ritual so your life is driven by rituals as well. Is that what you mean to say?

 

[BreezeWood]

You aren't qualified to judge me.

not you - your phony sabbath and does say a lot about you and your christianity as well.

 

[luiza]

God called me when I was three, then again when I was 30. We've been together ever since.

How awfully unlucky . My deeply felt sympathy .
But I suppose the establishment and the System can only function pragmatically by forever finding ways of moulding and gently manipulating its members.
And there is nothing more inciduous than Mind Control .

I gather there are ways to help people like you find and live a mentally healthier , more stress free and richer life based on a return to the real world .

Shout out when you start to awaken and begin to realise that there is more to life than forever literally and metaphorically bending the knee and chatting to yourself .

 

[Woodznutz]

that's dinner but whatever.

You see eating a meal as a ritual so your life is driven by rituals as well. Is that what you mean to say?

Jewish Sabbath meals are very ritualistic, unless you are a reformed/liberal Jew.

"Reform Jews are adherents of Reform Judaism, a major Jewish denomination that emphasizes the evolving nature of Judaism and the importance of ethical principles over strict adherence to traditional rituals."

 

[Woodznutz]

not you - your phony sabbath and does say a lot about you and your christianity as well.

You have a bad altitude, up there on your high horse.

 

[Woodznutz]

How awfully unlucky . My deeply felt sympathy .
But I suppose the establishment and the System can only function pragmatically by forever finding ways of moulding and gently manipulating its members.
And there is nothing more inciduous than Mind Control .

I gather there are ways to help people like you find and live a mentally healthier , more stress free and richer life based on a return to the real world .

Shout out when you start to awaken and begin to realise that there is more to life than forever literally and metaphorically bending the knee and chatting to yourself .

Christianity isn't about mind control, however the Holy Spirit does strongly influence one, however we are still able to sin. Living the Christian life relieves the stress of Satan's world, the one you call the "real world". We are also able to navigate the 'real world' even better than the worldly people marching to the devil's drum.

 

[rosends]

Jewish Sabbath meals are very ritualistic, unless you are a reformed/liberal Jew.

I'm orthodox. You make a blessing on wine, wash your hands, make a blessing on bread. Then eat dinner. Or do you think you know better than someone who has been doing it for over 50 years?

Other than having wine first, nothing in this is different from dinner on Tuesday .

 

[luiza]

Christianity isn't about mind control, however the Holy Spirit does strongly influence one, however we are still able to sin. Living the Christian life relieves the stress of Satan's world, the one you call the "real world". We are also able to navigate the 'real world' even better than the worldly people marching to the devil's drum.

There is no Satan .
"He" was invented by the Cult Church as a Control Device .

If your Cult God is absolute and only Good it is impossible for him to create Evil .
And if your Cognitive Rigidity cannot accept that , your Faith is wrecked by having to admit that your Cult God created Evil and it is therefore 100% "his" responsibility .

Cult Christians are such messy thinkers .
Convenience Grazers , as we say .

 

[BreezeWood]

You have a bad altitude, up there on your high horse.

not so, the heaves deem their creation, life and garden earth to be kept holy - sorry that offends you, take your animosity up w/ moses and judaism they too are responsible for the misinterpretation to instead go lazy and take a day off from work.

* not anyone's fault they are mistreated by employment than their own to allow such to be the case.

 

[Woodznutz]

I'm orthodox. You make a blessing on wine, wash your hands, make a blessing on bread. Then eat dinner. Or do you think you know better than someone who has been doing it for over 50 years?

Other than having wine first, nothing in this is different from dinner on Tuesday .

I'll take your word for what you do, but what about all the information I'm citing written by Jews?

But, to the main point, do you get any rest on the Sabbath?

Now, having asked that question it occurs to me that Jews might not need as much rest as the rest of us who do physical work for a living i.e. the aforementioned "sweat of our face".

 

[rosends]

I'll take your word for what you do, but what about all the information I'm citing written by Jews?

You please pick and choose and do not understand .

But, to the main point, do you get any rest on the Sabbath?

A lot

Now, having asked that question it occurs to me that Jews might not need as much rest as the rest of us who do physical work for a living i.e. the aforementioned "sweat of our face".

So my friend the Jewish plumber doesn't do physical work? How about my friend the Jewish cop?

Do you have any other foolish assumptions to make?

 

[Woodznutz]

There is no Satan .
"He" was invented by the Cult Church as a Control Device .

If your Cult God is absolute and only Good it is impossible for him to create Evil .
And if your Cognitive Rigidity cannot accept that , your Faith is wrecked by having to admit that your Cult God created Evil and it is therefore 100% "his" responsibility .

Cult Christians are such messy thinkers .
Convenience Grazers , as we say .

God deems certain behaviors to be evil. Lucifer likely had no idea what he (it) was doing when he placed his office/throne on par with God's. God saw it differently, saw it as rebellion against his authority and called it evil. God created certain consequence for committing evil as well; calamity, that is often wrongly called "evil" in the Bible.

 

[Woodznutz]

You please pick and choose and do not understand .

A lot

So my friend the Jewish plumber doesn't do physical work? How about my friend the Jewish cop?

Do you have any other foolish assumptions to make?

I see Jewish gatherings playing in the park on Sabbath, so I assume they don't need rest. Of course some do need rest, but do they actually rest or are they involved with other activities and rituals?

Regarding physical work, when one thinks of Jews physical work doesn't jump into your mind. Not criticizing, Jes' sayin'.