Zone1 Pray for the Iranian people, many comparisons right now to the Book of Esther.

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OK. If it is wrong to worship what God has made how much more wrong is it to worship what man has made, like your god in the handy form of a lifeless cracker made by human hands?

He will convict them of wrong, by refusing to believe in me;

 

[hobelim]

I told a Jewish person that the creation story was not about the BB but about the Law being SPOKEN into existence as a light to the nations and kosher law was not about food and guess what! It took them about a fraction of a second to see and understand the reasoning and the wisdom of God in the revelation. They never accused me of subverting Judaism.

It took me that much time to see know and understand that a talking serpent in the story of A&E was a human archetype in the 2nd grade. I was surrounded by those crafty devils.

What the F is your excuse going to be before God for not accepting the truth as an adult?

The devil made you do it?

Good luck with that!

 

[Ace Nova]

In John 3:14 it is written, on whatever it is that they write upon;

"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up."

Jesus compared himself to this story of when Moses lifted up the bronze statue of a serpent for the people turn to for healing during the time of testing in the wilderness which was the object of idolatry for almost 1000 years until king Hezekiah was born, the subject of the verse, "A young maiden shall conceive", who "followed the law and did what was right in Gods eyes" and destroyed the bronze statue OF A SERPENT that Moses had made.

Heres the thing;

If it was right for Hezekiah to destroy the bronze statue then it was never right to turn to it for healing. What does that tell you if not that Jesus knew that he would be the object of idolatry.

This also explains why Jesus exhorted his sleeping disciples to pray to be spared "the test".

So all you have to do is ask yourself, "WHAT WOULD HEZEKIAH DO"? AND THEN DO IT.

That is if you ever hope to become "a living being"

Numbers 21:

The Bronze Serpent.

They traveled from Mount Hor along the way to the Red Sea in order to bypass the land of Edom, but the people became discouraged along the way. 5. The people spoke against God and Moses, saying, “Why have you brought us out of Egypt to have us die in the desert. There is no bread, no water, and we loathe this miserable food.”

6. The Lord sent seraph serpents among the people. They bit the people, and many of the people of Israel died. 7. The people came to Moses and said, “We have sinned, for we have spoken against the Lord and against you. Pray to the Lord so that he might save us from the serpents.” So Moses prayed for the people. The Lord said to Moses, “Make a seraph serpent and put it upon a pole. Whoever has been bitten and looks upon it will live.” 9. So Moses made a bronze serpent and put it upon a pole. If someone had been bitten by a serpent and he looked up at the bronze serpent, he lived.

1. Numbers 21:4 The bronze serpent, a sign of repentance and forgiveness, will be used by Jesus as a prefiguration of his own being lifted up on the cross (Jn 3:14).
2. Numbers 21:5 We loathe this miserable food: this statement showed more than a distaste for the manna that the Lord had provided and that had been the brunt of ongoing complaints by the people. While they were rejecting the Lord’s physical nourishment, they were turning away from his gift of grace.

Was the Bronze Serpent an Idol?

Or God's gift to the Israelites - restoring the Grace they rejected by complaining about "The Manna"?

 

[hobelim]

Was the Bronze Sepent an Idol?

Yes, setting aside the Law of God to turn to anything made by human hands for healing or spiritual life is idolatry. It was a test. Simple. Thats why they called it the time of testing. derrrr

Or God's gift to the Israelites - restoring the Grace they rejected by complaining about "The Manna"?

There are many ways to say FU. The statue was Gods way of saying it. Jesus saying "eat this" was his. Being oblivious of their demise for defying the Law is not a state of grace.

They failed the test until Hezekiah came and restored sanity just like you have failed the test.

Listen pal, there is only one way up, and you are taking a swan dive into the wrong direction.

 

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Yes, setting aside the Law of God to turn to anything made by human hands for healing or spiritual life is idolatry. It was a test. Simple. Thats why they called it the time of testing. derrrr


There are many ways to say FU. The statue was Gods way of saying it. Jesus saying "eat this" was his. Being oblivious of their demise for defying the Law is not a state of grace.

They failed the test until Hezekiah came and restored sanity just like you have failed the test.

Listen pal, there is only one way up, and you are taking a swan dive into the wrong direction.

hobelim said:
He will convict them of wrong, by refusing to believe in me;

 

[ding]

I told a Jewish person that the creation story was not about the BB but about the Law being SPOKEN into existence as a light to the nations and kosher law was not about food and guess what! It took them about a fraction of a second to see and understand the reasoning and the wisdom of God in the revelation. They never accused me of subverting Judaism.

It took me that much time to see know and understand that a talking serpent in the story of A&E was a human archetype in the 2nd grade. I was surrounded by those crafty devils.

What the F is your excuse going to be before God for not accepting the truth as an adult?

The devil made you do it?

Good luck with that!

And the command against homosexual relations in Leviticus 18:22 was misunderstood too, right?

 

[hobelim]

hobelim said:
He will convict them of wrong, by refusing to believe in me;

I told a Jewish person that the creation story was not about the BB but about the Law being SPOKEN into existence as a light to the nations and kosher law was not about food and thats what Jesus was teaching by saying eat my flesh and guess what!. It took them about a fraction of a second to see and understand the reasoning and the wisdom of God in the revelation. They never accused me of subverting Judaism being a Jesus freak or hating God.

It took me that much time to see know and understand that a talking serpent in the story of A&E was a human archetype in the 2nd grade. I was surrounded by those crafty devils.

What the F is your excuse going to be before God for not accepting the truth as an adult?

The devil made you do it?

Good luck with that!

 

[ding]

I told a Jewish person that the creation story was not about the BB but about the Law being SPOKEN into existence as a light to the nations and kosher law was not about food and guess what! And thats what Jesus was teaching by saying eat my flesh. It took them about a fraction of a second to see and understand the reasoning and the wisdom of God in the revelation. They never accused me of subverting Judaism being a Jesus freak or hating God.

It took me that much time to see know and understand that a talking serpent in the story of A&E was a human archetype in the 2nd grade. I was surrounded by those crafty devils.

What the F is your excuse going to be before God for not accepting the truth as an adult?

The devil made you do it?

Good luck with that!

You think Leviticus 18:22 isn't a command against homosexual relations when it clearly is so all of your interpretations are suspect.

Feel free to test your theories using google AI.

 

[hobelim]

You think Leviticus 18:22 isn't a command against homosexual relations when it clearly is so all of your interpretations are suspect.

Feel free to test your theories using google AI.

lol.

Not by the hair on my chinny chin chin. I have a direct line to the only living God in existence.

 

[Ace Nova]

I told a Jewish person that the creation story was not about the BB but about the Law being SPOKEN into existence as a light to the nations and kosher law was not about food and guess what! It took them about a fraction of a second to see and understand the reasoning and the wisdom of God in the revelation. They never accused me of subverting Judaism.

It took me that much time to see know and understand that a talking serpent in the story of A&E was a human archetype in the 2nd grade. I was surrounded by those crafty devils.

What the F is your excuse going to be before God for not accepting the truth as an adult?

The devil made you do it?

Good luck with that!

The Books of the Bible are written to deliver a message. You seem to spend too much time on specific/itteral meanings - and when they don't make sense literally - instead of using Wisdom to understand the message - you dwell -deeper and deeper - in an effort to find "hidden/deeper meanings" - and unfortunately for you - your Adversary allowed you to strike gold once or twice - making you to believe that everything written within the texts has deeper meanings - looking for "deeper" meanings in anything you read.

Sometimes things are what they are - especially in the Old Testament - the vast majority of the teachings of the Prophets and the Law are very direct and to the point.


Pay attention to what is written in Matthew 18:2:

Then Jesus beckoned a child to come to him, placed it in their midst, 3. and said, “Amen, I say to you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4. Whoever humbles himself and becomes like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven

 

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lol. Not by the hair on my chinny chin chin. I have direct access to the Supreme Being.

No, you don't. You hate God.

 

[hobelim]

Pay attention to what is written in Matthew 18:2:

Then Jesus beckoned a child to come to him, placed it in their midst, 3. and said, “Amen, I say to you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4. Whoever humbles himself and becomes like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven

Right, he was telling adults to approach scripture like a little child trying to learn the moral teaching of a fairy tale, the most important part of the story that was never written down.

 

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Right, he was telling adults to approach scripture like a little child trying to learn the moral teaching of a fairy tale, the most important part of the story that was never written down.

No. He was telling them to trust like a child does and to be curious like a child. You have no trust in God and you are not curious. You are judgemental. I can't wait until you Darwinize your sorry ass out of existence.

When Jesus said to be like a small child (Matthew 18:3), He meant that followers must cultivate humble dependency, trust, and openness rather than pride or self-sufficiency. In the context of his teaching, this refers to adopting a "childlike" attitude—helplessly relying on God as Father—rather than acting "childish".

Key aspects of being like a small child include:

• Total Dependence: Children rely on parents for needs; likewise, believers should depend completely on God rather than self.
• Humility: Children in the first century had no status; Jesus is instructing followers to avoid pride, ambition, and hypocritical self-importance, embracing the "lowest" position.
• Trusting Faith: Just as a child trusts their parents implicitly, Christians are called to trust God's character and provision.
• Teachability: Children are generally open to learning, which reflects a teachable spirit needed for spiritual growth.
  

Jesus presented this as a requirement to "enter the kingdom of heaven," emphasizing that one cannot gain salvation through arrogance or self-achievement, but must receive it humbly as a gift, according to findings discussed on YouTube and in other sources.

 

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Right, he was telling adults to approach scripture like a little child trying to learn the moral teaching of a fairy tale, the most important part of the story that was never written down.

How do you understand things like a child - "the moral teachings" that were never written down?

By having the simple faith a child has - first believing - and later, once older, realizing in their minds and hearts that what they learned as a child, through faith, holds true even as an adult - nothing more - nothing less.

 

[hobelim]

No. He was telling them to trust like a child does and to be curious like a child. You have no trust in God and you are not curious. You are judgemental. I can't wait until you Darwinize your sorry ass out of existence.

I live in the Spirit and so I will live forever. And the truth that I have spoken, that has been for so long unfruitful, has finally come to light and will remain forever even if I died tomorrow.

 

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I live in the Spirit and so I will live forever. And the truth that I have spoken, that has been for so long unfruitful, has finally come to light and will remain forever even if I died tomorrow.

No, you don't. You are a fake; a charlatan. A legend in your own mind.

 

[hobelim]

How do you understand things like a child - "the moral teachings" that were never written down?

How? lol. If you had loving parents that took the time and trouble to explain that talking animals in fairy tales represent people and what the moral teaching is. Its not rocket science.

 

[hobelim]

A legend in your own mind.

How original! Clint would be ashamed of you.

You might not realize this but I have been at this for a very very long time.

 

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How? lol. If you had loving parents that took the time and trouble to explain that talking animals in fairy tales represent people and what the moral teaching is. Its not rocket science.

They must have been horrible teachers because you are the least moral person here.

 

[hobelim]

They must have been horrible teachers because you are the least moral person here.

So you are saying that talking animals in fairy tales do not represent human archetypes?

Right, and this little piggy goes we we whee, all the way to destruction.