Power the U.S. With Solar Panels!

[Toddsterpatriot]

That is the operating cost after the cost of building the plant is depreciated. The cost of wind and solar are include the building cost and the operating cost, as does the real cost for nuclear starting at $129 and as high as $198. And, since we have no nuclear waste storage yet, that cost, and it will be high, has not been included. The $41 for coal does not include the cost of transportation and storage. Include that and it is a low of $65 and a high of $159. On gas, the $28 is the assumed cost for the gas. Building and operating cost is a low of $44 and a high of $73.

And, of course, the price of coal, gas, and nuclear continue to climb, while the cost of wind and solar continue to decline;

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That is the operating cost after the cost of building the plant is depreciated.

You're not trying to decommission already built, depreciated nuclear, coal and gas plants?

The cost of wind and solar are include the building cost and the operating cost

You're not trying to build, new wind and solar?

And, of course, the price of coal, gas, and nuclear continue to climb,

Of course? What have the prices of uranium, coal and gas done over the last 10 years? 20 years?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And the difference is continuing, especially in peaker plants.

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Lack the dispatch characteristics......no fucking kidding.

 

[Old Rocks]

That is the operating cost after the cost of building the plant is depreciated.

You're not trying to decommission already built, depreciated nuclear, coal and gas plants?

The cost of wind and solar are include the building cost and the operating cost

You're not trying to build, new wind and solar?

And, of course, the price of coal, gas, and nuclear continue to climb,

Of course? What have the prices of uranium, coal and gas done over the last 10 years? 20 years?

No, I am not. But a lot of utilities are.

2 More Western Utilities Move to Close Coal Plants Early, Shifting to Renewables and Storage

Unlike Colorado, Arizona has no clean energy or carbon mandates. Its utilities are ditching their coal plants anyway.

www.greentechmedia.com

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No, I am not. But a lot of utilities are.

2 More Western Utilities Move to Close Coal Plants Early, Shifting to Renewables and Storage

Unlike Colorado, Arizona has no clean energy or carbon mandates. Its utilities are ditching their coal plants anyway.

www.greentechmedia.com

That's awesome!!!

So you expect rates to rise or fall?

 

[Old Rocks]

That is the operating cost after the cost of building the plant is depreciated.

You're not trying to decommission already built, depreciated nuclear, coal and gas plants?

The cost of wind and solar are include the building cost and the operating cost

You're not trying to build, new wind and solar?

And, of course, the price of coal, gas, and nuclear continue to climb,

Of course? What have the prices of uranium, coal and gas done over the last 10 years? 20 years?

No, I am not building the wind and solar, but the utilities are;

Renewables became the second-most prevalent U.S. electricity source in 2020 - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

 

[Old Rocks]

That's awesome!!!

So you expect rates to rise or fall?

Have they been rising or falling for the last 20 years? I expect the rise to be less steep as we transition to 100% renewables.

 

[Old Rocks]

That is the operating cost after the cost of building the plant is depreciated.

You're not trying to decommission already built, depreciated nuclear, coal and gas plants?

The cost of wind and solar are include the building cost and the operating cost

You're not trying to build, new wind and solar?

And, of course, the price of coal, gas, and nuclear continue to climb,

Of course? What have the prices of uranium, coal and gas done over the last 10 years? 20 years?

what has the price of transporting uranium, coal, and gas done over the last two decades? What has the price of transporting wind and sunlight done over the last decade?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No, I am not building the wind and solar, but the utilities are;

No kidding. Gotta meet the stupid mandates. Gotta collect the subsidies.

 

[Old Rocks]

No kidding. Gotta meet the stupid mandates. Gotta collect the subsidies.

No one is going to beat the fossil fuel corporations at that game.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Have they been rising or falling for the last 20 years? I expect the rise to be less steep as we transition to 100% renewables.

Have they been rising or falling for the last 20 years?

Rising more in Germany than elsewhere. Must be all the cheap green goodness.

I expect the rise to be less steep as we transition to 100%

Like in California?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No one is going to beat the fossil fuel corporations at that game.

Like what? Deducting business expenses?

 

[myself]

Crazy, right?

I mean all that solar power they generate is free.
They should pay less per MWh than we do.

I think you're crazy. Imagine what they would be paying if they didn't get electricity from solar panels.

 

[myself]

Maybe the reason they are using less power is because they are are getting more energy from solar.

Solar power is magic? You don't need as much solar to surf the web? DURR

But far fewer dryers. That doesn't make much sense. Unless they are really into using clotheslines to dry their clothes.

If your power was tripled in price, you'd probably have to use clotheslines.

It takes far more energy to wash clothes than it does to dry them.

 

[myself]

Wrong. Not triple. Double is closer to it.

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Electricity price statistics - Statistics Explained

EU statistics on electricity prices for households and non-households analyse their evolution and the differences between countries.

ec.europa.eu

Germany, 0.3006 Euro per KWh. About 35.5 cents

US, 13.85 cents.

Electric Power Monthly - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

35.5 / 13.85 = 2.56

Closer to triple.

Different sites say different things. But who has most of the money. Energy companies. So who has the ability to put out more disinformation that is to their advantage. Energy companies. Just go all solar. You can't go wrong.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I think you're crazy. Imagine what they would be paying if they didn't get electricity from solar panels.

Less.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Different sites say different things.

They all say Germany has the highest rates in Europe.

 

[myself]

Actually there is a way to do this without all of that. Tesla and South Australia are building it right now.

I don't feel like watching your video. What is this virtual power plant. And wouldn't a real one be better? Also, what powers this virtual power plant. Are you just referring the large battery Mr Musk is building to collect electricity from solar panels?

 

[myself]

Like Chernobyl........no profit, eh comrade?

I CAN wait for you to tell me how Chernobyl is similar to the pyramids or the great wall.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I CAN wait for you to tell me how Chernobyl is similar to the pyramids or the great wall.

Is wasn't built for profit, you silly twit.

 

[myself]

They all say Germany has the highest rates in Europe.

Germany, only having around 80 million people and being far smaller than the U.S. and having far fewer natural resources produces about the same value in exports as the U.S. And they aren't doing it with massive wheat or corn exports. They must be manufacturing things. That requires electricity. So maybe that's why they pay so much for electric.