Pope trying to change DP doctrine

[irosie91]

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pentobarbital is a kinda nice way to go

 

[zaangalewa]

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pentobarbital is a kinda nice way to go

Take it.



Hotel zur langen Dämmerung

An tausend Meilen hast du heut' schon hinter dich gebracht
Es ist spät, du suchst und findest eine Bleibe für die Nacht
Von alldem, was du schon geseh'n und nicht begriffen hast
Bist du todmüde, sehnst dich nur nach einer langen Rast
Dies' Hotel, die trübe Funzel in dem engen Korridor
Kommen dir, als du dich umsiehst, schon nicht ganz geheuer vor
Und dann weißt du es genau, als du die Zimmertür aufschließt
Dass du vor langer Zeit schon einmal hier gewesen bist

Schlaf nicht ein im Hotel zur langen Dämmerung, bleib wach
Denn der Atem toter Seelen staut sich unter diesem Dach
Und frisst sich, wenn du schläfst, so tief in Hirn und Lungen fest
Dass du dieses Haus nur sterbend, oder tot wieder verlässt

Und du sitzt, du wachst und wartest, doch die Zeit will nicht vergeh'n
Und dir ist, als könntest du auf einmal durch die Wände seh'n
Siehst ein Zimmer, so wie deins und ein Junge kommt herein
Du erschrickst und meinst, du selber könntest dieser Junge sein:
Große Füße, große Augen, von zu Hause durchgebrannt
Haar und Hosen viel zu kurz, wie es noch Brauch ist auf dem Land
Alles liebend ohne Furcht, was neu und fremd ist um ihn her
Und du fragst dich, ob du je so jung gewesen bist wie der

In dem Raum gleich nebenan siehst du dich als alten Mann
Einsam und verbittert, krank und ohne einen Zahn
Und der wackelt mit dem Schädel, hält die Bibel auf den Knien
Seine dürren Spinnenfinger blättern aufgeregt darin
Ganze Sätze streicht er aus mit seinem Rotstift in der Hand
Und schreibt dafür, böse flüsternd, wilde Flüche an den Rand
Und schon bluten seine Finger, zucken weiter wie im Krampf –
Du gibst ihm noch eine Stunde, und dann endet dieser Kampf

Ja, schlaf nicht ein im Hotel zur langen Dämmerung, bleib wach
Denn der Atem toter Seelen staut sich unter diesem Dach
Und frisst sich, wenn du schläfst, so tief in Hirn und Lungen fest
Dass du dieses Haus nur sterbend, oder tot wieder verlässt

Auch der Junge schläft noch nicht, nimmt sein Instrument und spielt
Dazu schreibt er etwas auf, bringt in Reime, was er fühlt
Falsche Töne, schlechte Verse – es ist gleich wie gut er's macht
Denn nur schreibend, spielend, singend übersteht er diese Nacht
Das macht durstig, und er dreht an dem Wasserhahn, der spritzt
Etwas aus, was nach dem riecht, was ein Sterbender ausschwitzt
Und du wünschst dir, dass er statt zu trinken in das Becken schifft
Und er tut's und bleibt für diesmal noch verschont von diesem Gift

Doch schlaf nicht ein im Hotel zur langen Dämmerung, bleib wach
Denn der Atem toter Seelen staut sich unter diesem Dach
Und frisst sich, wenn du schläfst, so tief in Hirn und Lungen fest
Dass du dieses Haus nur sterbend, oder tot wieder verlässt

Deine Uhr zeigt erst auf drei, sie blieb schon vor Stunden steh'n
Sie schläft den langen Schlaf und wird nie mehr wieder geh'n
Es wird Morgen, Junge, nimm jetzt deine Sachen, du musst fort
Da ist ein Park mit einem Brunnen, trink und wasch dich dort
Du wirst dort noch And're finden, die sind auch so jung wie du
Die erklären dir die Welt, höre ihnen ruhig zu
Dann wirst du weiterzieh'n, viel seh'n, doch das Wenigste versteh'n
Und nach Jahren vielleicht nochmal über diese Schwelle geh'n

Dann schlaf nicht ein im Hotel zur langen Dämmerung, bleib wach
Denn der Atem toter Seelen staut sich unter diesem Dach
Und frisst sich, wenn du schläfst, so tief in Hirn und Lungen fest
Dass du dieses Haus nur sterbend, oder tot wieder verlässt

Hannes Wader

 

[Pogo]

the bible says "FISH ONLY ON FRIDAY"?? I missed that line

No, but it does clearly say the Jews killed Jesus.

Not even in dispute.

yes it does. Jews actually crucified tens of thousands of their own
during the reign of Pontius Pilate-------the SAINT. The roman army
was helpless to prevent the slaughter

Uhhmmmm..... don't think so. You're actually selling that Rome, the Empire with the iron fist, was "helpless" in iron-fisting its own colonies? And you've got crucifixion, the Roman penalty reserved for treason, proliferated internally by ... Jews?

This is a joke post, right? Were you on a gurney wearing a mask when you wrote this?

 

[Pogo]

What are you babbling about, you drunken sot?

Popes are indeed important political figures as they have a great deal of influence on Catholics.

As I said Pothead I was BORN AND RAISED a Catholic so I already knew that was fucking bullshit in 1960.

DERP

So you are drunkenly claiming the Pope has no influence on Catholics?

Not politically, no. Why should he? The Liberalism that founded this country put that sort of theocratic aristocracy to bed. That was the whole POINT of doing it.

So why the fuck would the Pope have anything to do with political influence? He's a religious figure, not a politician.
How was JFK influenced?










Well? We're waiting, Pothead.....

JFK wasn’t – clearly.

But there are some who still believe the canard that the politics of American Catholics is somehow ‘influenced’ by the Vatican.

If the Pope says the death penalty is wrong, then Catholics will start to vote for politicians who oppose the death penalty – and before you know it, the death penalty is abolished in your state.

It’s as much a fallacy as it is a canard.

As an aside, it’s ridiculous for pollsters to garner the political opinions of Catholics as if they’re some sort of homogeneous demographic influenced by their religion, which of course they’re not.

These of course are the waste products of Ignorance, where the ignoriscenti desperately cling to their memes and myths and fiercely fight off any insight into what they're actually looking at, whether it's "Catholic", "Jew", "Muslim", "atheist" or whatever their next demonization target is.

Before Kennedy the first Catholic nominated by a major party Al Smith in 1928 who had a nationwide smear campaign orchestrated against him. Protestant clerics told their congregations they'd go to hell if they voted Smith. The Klan burned crosses and spread propaganda.

>> In Kansas, a little girl came home and asked, “Mama, why don’t they kill that bad man Smith that they told us about in Sunday school?”

Even experienced political figures were stunned. Frances Perkins, later the first female cabinet member, campaigning for Smith in Maryland, founded as a Catholic refuge, still faced what she described as “some of the most terrible fantastic prejudices and dreadful yarns I have ever heard.” Someone pointed out to her “the estate which had been purchased for the pope and where the pope was coming” as soon as Smith was elected. “They knew it for a fact.” Lillian Wald, a leader in the settlement house movement and New York’s pre-eminent authority on social work, despaired over “the organized bigotry, the like of which I have never seen. I feel as if some poison gas had spread over us and that our democracy will suffer from this for many years to come.” << -- When a Catholic Terrified the Heartland​

And before that time there was the nativist/nationalist "Know Nothing" Party pre-Civil War. Like the Jewish and Muslim targets, Catholics were singled out because they were immigrants (Irish and German especially with Polish and German secondarily). The bigots always work the same way --- target the unwanted competing "intruder", then focus on some bullshit that has nothing to do with their diaper rash. Religion is a ready tool, because you can plug in any myth you want whether it's "they control all the money" or "Sharia law" or "they'll take orders from the Pope".

Oops, that was supposed to say "Irish and Italian especially". Thinking too fast for my typing.

 

[Pogo]

the bible says "FISH ONLY ON FRIDAY"?? I missed that line

No, but it does clearly say the Jews killed Jesus.

Not even in dispute.

Italians killed Jesus

At insistence of the jews.

the bible says "FISH ONLY ON FRIDAY"?? I missed that line

No, but it does clearly say the Jews killed Jesus.

Not even in dispute.

Italians killed Jesus

At insistence of the jews.

The Romans were well known to do whatevah DA
JOOOOOS wanted----like crucify something like 20,000
Pharisee jews. Ask the easter bunny

Y'all must be drinking Everclear out there.

Dig. Rome was a frickin' EMPIRE, OK? A YUGE one. It didn't get yuge by taking orders from their own conquered subjects. Put that idea out to frickin' pasture because it makes no sense at all.

Rome didn't give a shit what its conquerees did religiously among themselves; they stayed out of the way and weren't interested. What it WAS interested in was insurrection. Any kind of challenge to its authority. Whelp -- enter Jesus, doing exactly that, the purported "King of the Jews". THAT was going to get Rome's attention right quick, and did. That's what he was crucified for. Jews -- the colonized, under Rome's thumb --- weren't about to "insist" their own rebel be offed, LET ALONE presume to tell Rome what to do. All that shit was written in later as Spin. Any Jewish accedance to what Rome wanted to do would have been to save their own asses, lest Rome crucify them too.

That's why all that biblical bullshit about "kingdom of heaven" was invented after the fact, to cover up the political revolution Jesus clearly tried to effect by riding into town in full royal-savior pose at Passover, which started a riot (the "moneychangers"). The 'savioring' he was intending was to save the Jews from the Romans, in other words one more revolutionary trying to throw off the yoke of colonialism. No more complex than that. That particular revolution failed, as many do, and it was punished by the power in control whose power had been challenged, and that would be --- Rome. Not "da Joos". That's absurd.

 

[rightwinger]

the bible says "FISH ONLY ON FRIDAY"?? I missed that line

No, but it does clearly say the Jews killed Jesus.

Not even in dispute.

Italians killed Jesus

At insistence of the jews.

the bible says "FISH ONLY ON FRIDAY"?? I missed that line

No, but it does clearly say the Jews killed Jesus.

Not even in dispute.

Italians killed Jesus

At insistence of the jews.

The Romans were well known to do whatevah DA
JOOOOOS wanted----like crucify something like 20,000
Pharisee jews. Ask the easter bunny

Y'all must be drinking Everclear out there.

Dig. Rome was a frickin' EMPIRE, OK? A YUGE one. It didn't get yuge by taking orders from their own conquered subjects. Put that idea out to frickin' pasture because it makes no sense at all.

Rome didn't give a shit what its conquerees did religiously among themselves; they stayed out of the way and weren't interested. What it WAS interested in was insurrection. Any kind of challenge to its authority. Whelp -- enter Jesus, doing exactly that, the purported "King of the Jews". THAT was going to get Rome's attention right quick, and did. That's what he was crucified for. Jews -- the colonized, under Rome's thumb --- weren't about to "insist" their own rebel be offed, LET ALONE presume to tell Rome what to do. All that shit was written in later as Spin. Any Jewish accedance to what Rome wanted to do would have been to save their own asses, lest Rome crucify them too.

That's why all that biblical bullshit about "kingdom of heaven" was invented after the fact, to cover up the political revolution Jesus clearly tried to effect by riding into town in full royal-savior pose at Passover, which started a riot (the "moneychangers"). The 'savioring' he was intending was to save the Jews from the Romans, in other words one more revolutionary trying to throw off the yoke of colonialism. No more complex than that. That particular revolution failed, as many do, and it was punished by the power in control whose power had been challenged, and that would be --- Rome. Not "da Joos". That's absurd.

The Italians killed Jesus and blamed it on the Jews

 

[irosie91]

the bible says "FISH ONLY ON FRIDAY"?? I missed that line

No, but it does clearly say the Jews killed Jesus.

Not even in dispute.

Italians killed Jesus

At insistence of the jews.

No, but it does clearly say the Jews killed Jesus.

Not even in dispute.

Italians killed Jesus

At insistence of the jews.

The Romans were well known to do whatevah DA
JOOOOOS wanted----like crucify something like 20,000
Pharisee jews. Ask the easter bunny

Y'all must be drinking Everclear out there.

Dig. Rome was a frickin' EMPIRE, OK? A YUGE one. It didn't get yuge by taking orders from their own conquered subjects. Put that idea out to frickin' pasture because it makes no sense at all.

Rome didn't give a shit what its conquerees did religiously among themselves; they stayed out of the way and weren't interested. What it WAS interested in was insurrection. Any kind of challenge to its authority. Whelp -- enter Jesus, doing exactly that, the purported "King of the Jews". THAT was going to get Rome's attention right quick, and did. That's what he was crucified for. Jews -- the colonized, under Rome's thumb --- weren't about to "insist" their own rebel be offed, LET ALONE presume to tell Rome what to do. All that shit was written in later as Spin. Any Jewish accedance to what Rome wanted to do would have been to save their own asses, lest Rome crucify them too.

That's why all that biblical bullshit about "kingdom of heaven" was invented after the fact, to cover up the political revolution Jesus clearly tried to effect by riding into town in full royal-savior pose at Passover, which started a riot (the "moneychangers"). The 'savioring' he was intending was to save the Jews from the Romans, in other words one more revolutionary trying to throw off the yoke of colonialism. No more complex than that. That particular revolution failed, as many do, and it was punished by the power in control whose power had been challenged, and that would be --- Rome. Not "da Joos". That's absurd.

The Italians killed Jesus and blamed it on the Jews

ITALIANS???? are you suggesting that ITALIANS kill people-----
YOU FRIGGIN' RACIST!!!!! you are the kind of bastard who IMAGINES
that "DA MAFIA" is a real thing

 

[Penelope]

the bible says "FISH ONLY ON FRIDAY"?? I missed that line

No, but it does clearly say the Jews killed Jesus.

Not even in dispute.

Italians killed Jesus

At insistence of the jews.

the bible says "FISH ONLY ON FRIDAY"?? I missed that line

No, but it does clearly say the Jews killed Jesus.

Not even in dispute.

Italians killed Jesus

At insistence of the jews.

The Romans were well known to do whatevah DA
JOOOOOS wanted----like crucify something like 20,000
Pharisee jews. Ask the easter bunny

Y'all must be drinking Everclear out there.

Dig. Rome was a frickin' EMPIRE, OK? A YUGE one. It didn't get yuge by taking orders from their own conquered subjects. Put that idea out to frickin' pasture because it makes no sense at all.

Rome didn't give a shit what its conquerees did religiously among themselves; they stayed out of the way and weren't interested. What it WAS interested in was insurrection. Any kind of challenge to its authority. Whelp -- enter Jesus, doing exactly that, the purported "King of the Jews". THAT was going to get Rome's attention right quick, and did. That's what he was crucified for. Jews -- the colonized, under Rome's thumb --- weren't about to "insist" their own rebel be offed, LET ALONE presume to tell Rome what to do. All that shit was written in later as Spin. Any Jewish accedance to what Rome wanted to do would have been to save their own asses, lest Rome crucify them too.

That's why all that biblical bullshit about "kingdom of heaven" was invented after the fact, to cover up the political revolution Jesus clearly tried to effect by riding into town in full royal-savior pose at Passover, which started a riot (the "moneychangers"). The 'savioring' he was intending was to save the Jews from the Romans, in other words one more revolutionary trying to throw off the yoke of colonialism. No more complex than that. That particular revolution failed, as many do, and it was punished by the power in control whose power had been challenged, and that would be --- Rome. Not "da Joos". That's absurd.

Are you aware that the Palestine area at the first century was under a civil war. Rome didn't want to destroy Herod's temple but it came to that to end the civil war.
The elitist Jews didn't like Jesus making trouble at the temple with the money changers, and they wanted rid of him, so they had Pilate give the mob jews a choice,
Jesus the Christ or Jesus bar Abbas (Barabbas) and the mob of Jews yelled Barabbas they wanted to be set free. (this is according to the scriptures).

Titus right hand man was a jew, Tiberius Alexander, a nephew of Philo who the created the concept of the Logos.

 

[Pogo]

the bible says "FISH ONLY ON FRIDAY"?? I missed that line

No, but it does clearly say the Jews killed Jesus.

Not even in dispute.

Italians killed Jesus

At insistence of the jews.

No, but it does clearly say the Jews killed Jesus.

Not even in dispute.

Italians killed Jesus

At insistence of the jews.

The Romans were well known to do whatevah DA
JOOOOOS wanted----like crucify something like 20,000
Pharisee jews. Ask the easter bunny

Y'all must be drinking Everclear out there.

Dig. Rome was a frickin' EMPIRE, OK? A YUGE one. It didn't get yuge by taking orders from their own conquered subjects. Put that idea out to frickin' pasture because it makes no sense at all.

Rome didn't give a shit what its conquerees did religiously among themselves; they stayed out of the way and weren't interested. What it WAS interested in was insurrection. Any kind of challenge to its authority. Whelp -- enter Jesus, doing exactly that, the purported "King of the Jews". THAT was going to get Rome's attention right quick, and did. That's what he was crucified for. Jews -- the colonized, under Rome's thumb --- weren't about to "insist" their own rebel be offed, LET ALONE presume to tell Rome what to do. All that shit was written in later as Spin. Any Jewish accedance to what Rome wanted to do would have been to save their own asses, lest Rome crucify them too.

That's why all that biblical bullshit about "kingdom of heaven" was invented after the fact, to cover up the political revolution Jesus clearly tried to effect by riding into town in full royal-savior pose at Passover, which started a riot (the "moneychangers"). The 'savioring' he was intending was to save the Jews from the Romans, in other words one more revolutionary trying to throw off the yoke of colonialism. No more complex than that. That particular revolution failed, as many do, and it was punished by the power in control whose power had been challenged, and that would be --- Rome. Not "da Joos". That's absurd.

The Italians killed Jesus and blamed it on the Jews

Chaim and Ester ought to keep that in mind when they order a pizza and Mario the delivery driver shows up in a Fiat.

 

[Pogo]

the bible says "FISH ONLY ON FRIDAY"?? I missed that line

No, but it does clearly say the Jews killed Jesus.

Not even in dispute.

Italians killed Jesus

At insistence of the jews.

No, but it does clearly say the Jews killed Jesus.

Not even in dispute.

Italians killed Jesus

At insistence of the jews.

The Romans were well known to do whatevah DA
JOOOOOS wanted----like crucify something like 20,000
Pharisee jews. Ask the easter bunny

Y'all must be drinking Everclear out there.

Dig. Rome was a frickin' EMPIRE, OK? A YUGE one. It didn't get yuge by taking orders from their own conquered subjects. Put that idea out to frickin' pasture because it makes no sense at all.

Rome didn't give a shit what its conquerees did religiously among themselves; they stayed out of the way and weren't interested. What it WAS interested in was insurrection. Any kind of challenge to its authority. Whelp -- enter Jesus, doing exactly that, the purported "King of the Jews". THAT was going to get Rome's attention right quick, and did. That's what he was crucified for. Jews -- the colonized, under Rome's thumb --- weren't about to "insist" their own rebel be offed, LET ALONE presume to tell Rome what to do. All that shit was written in later as Spin. Any Jewish accedance to what Rome wanted to do would have been to save their own asses, lest Rome crucify them too.

That's why all that biblical bullshit about "kingdom of heaven" was invented after the fact, to cover up the political revolution Jesus clearly tried to effect by riding into town in full royal-savior pose at Passover, which started a riot (the "moneychangers"). The 'savioring' he was intending was to save the Jews from the Romans, in other words one more revolutionary trying to throw off the yoke of colonialism. No more complex than that. That particular revolution failed, as many do, and it was punished by the power in control whose power had been challenged, and that would be --- Rome. Not "da Joos". That's absurd.

Are you aware that the Palestine area at the first century was under a civil war. Rome didn't want to destroy Herod's temple but it came to that to end the civil war.
The elitist Jews didn't like Jesus making trouble at the temple with the money changers, and they wanted rid of him, so they had Pilate give the mob jews a choice,
Jesus the Christ or Jesus bar Abbas (Barabbas) and the mob of Jews yelled Barabbas they wanted to be set free. (this is according to the scriptures).

Titus right hand man was a jew, Tiberius Alexander, a nephew of Philo who the created the concept of the Logos.

Pffft "the scriptures" and consider the real world. "Jesus bar abbas" = Jesus Junior -- his son. The father gave himself up in exchange for Junior so that even if his attempt had failed his son might have a shot. The whole Judas mythology is another spin and the scripture-spin lets that cat out of the bag as well -- "go now and do what thou hast to do" -- far from "betraying" anybody Judas is following Jesus' orders.

Always consider who's writing, when and why. This scripture-spin was only writ down decades after Jesus was gone, and then edited by committee at Nicea three centuries later in a "let's get our story straight" project. It's hardly to be considered anywhere near a reliable history. It's fake news.

 

[DGS49]

I personally oppose the DP because in this country, with all the hoops that must be jumped through, it is simply not worth the effort. It would be cheaper to just lock the bastards up and throw away the key, and do away with the endless appeals, sometimes lasting decades.

But to claim that the DP is immoral, as a matter of faith, as the Pope has done, is outside the teachings of the Bible, which - to coin a phrase - Trumps the Pope.

 

[Uncensored2008]

how does that work? Shouldn’t God have some say in the matter?

For Catholics, doesn't the pope speak for god?

This is the problem with worshiping a man as god.

Besides that no one thinks Pope Francis is god - but let me ask: ¿Jesus?

When there is a good man like John Paul, no one notices, but when an evil man like Pope Francis is in charge, then trouble starts.

¿Good John Paul - evil Francis? What's the title of the film in which you live?

You need better translation software.

Are you translating Farsi to English?

No - I try to speak with idiots in their own native language. That's why I use this idiom. What did you not understand? I see in the moment as a mistake only a superfluously use of the word "but" in my text above.

Another question: Why do you think I am a Persian?

Your poor use of English made me suspect a translation program.

North Korea and Iran are particularly interested in political forums, so it seemed a valid guess.

 

[Pogo]

I personally oppose the DP because in this country, with all the hoops that must be jumped through, it is simply not worth the effort. It would be cheaper to just lock the bastards up and throw away the key, and do away with the endless appeals, sometimes lasting decades.

But to claim that the DP is immoral, as a matter of faith, as the Pope has done, is outside the teachings of the Bible, which - to coin a phrase - Trumps the Pope.

We did this back at your first post. Fifth Commandment, very much INside the bible. Game, set, match.

 

[Dale Smith]

Catholicism is a cult, not a religion. It's paganism mixed with some biblical references for affect. The Reformation of Martin Luther was an attempt to free the people of papal authority and rule. People came to America to flee the persecution of the jesuits, the military arm of the catholic "church".Protestants, to break that word down, is PROTEST against the pope. The inquisition in Europe killed and tortured to death over 60 million people from 1550 to 1930. The vatican is the whore of Babylon and now for the first time in history, there is a jesuit pope. Here is the jesuit 4th vow or is known as the extreme oath.

I_______________ , now in the presence of Almighty God, the blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the Holy Apostles, St. Peter and St. Paul, and all the saints, sacred host of Heaven, and to you, my Ghostly Father, the superior general of the Society of Jesus, founded by St. Ignatius Loyola, in the pontification of Paul the Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the Virgin, the matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear that His Holiness, the Pope, is Christ's Vice-Regent and is the true and only head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and that by the virtue of the keys of binding and loosing given to His Holiness by my Saviour, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose heretical Kings, Princes, States, Commonwealths, and Governments, and they may be safely destroyed. Therefore to the utmost of my power I will defend this doctrine and His Holiness's right and custom against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority whatever, especially the Lutheran Church of Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden and Norway, and the now pretended authority and Churches of England and Scotland, and the branches of same now established in Ireland and on the continent of America and elsewhere and all adherents in regard that they may be usurped and heretical, opposing the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now denounce and disown any allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or State, named Protestant or Liberal, or obedience to any of their laws, magistrates or officers. I do further declare the doctrine of the Churches of England and Scotland of the Calvinists, Huguenots, and others of the name of Protestants or Masons to be damnable, and they themselves to be damned who will not forsake the same. I do further declare that I will help, assist, and advise all or any of His Holiness's agents, in any place where I should be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Ireland or America, or in any other kingdom or territory I shall come to, and do my utmost to extirpate the heretical Protestant or Masonic doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, legal or otherwise. I do further promise and declare that, notwithstanding, I am dispensed with to assume any religion heretical for the propagation of the Mother Church's interest; to keep secret and private all her agents' counsels from time to time, as they entrust me, and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or circumstances whatever; but to execute all that should be proposed, given in charge, or discovered unto me by you, my Ghostly Father, or any of this sacred order. I do further promise and declare that I will have no opinion or will of my own or any mental reservation whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ. That I will go to any part of the world whithersoever I may be sent, to the frozen regions north, jungles of India, to the centers of civilization of Europe, or to the wild haunts of the barbarous savages of America without murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all things, whatsoever is communicated to me. I do further promise and declare that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war, secretly and openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Masons, as I am directed to do, to extirpate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex nor condition, and that will hang, burn, waste, boil, flay, strangle, and bury alive these infamous heretics; rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women, and crush their infants' heads against the walls in order to annihilate their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly I will secretly use the poisonous cup, the strangulation cord, the steel of the poniard, or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honour, rank, dignity or authority of the persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agents of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Father of the Society of Jesus. In confirmation of which I hereby dedicate my life, soul, and all corporal powers, and with the dagger which I now receive I will subscribe my name written in my blood in testimony thereof; and should I prove false, or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and fellow soldiers of the militia of the Pope cut off my hands and feet and my throat from ear to ear, my belly be opened and sulphur burned therein with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on earth, and my soul shall be tortured by demons in eternal hell forever. That I will in voting always vote for a Knight of Columbus in preference to a Protestant, especially a Mason, and that I will leave my party so to do; that if two Catholics are on the ticket I will satisfy myself which is the better supporter of Mother Church and vote accordingly. That I will not deal with or employ a Protestant if in my power to deal with or employ a Catholic. That I will place Catholic girls in Protestant families that a weekly report may be made of the inner movements of the heretics. That I will provide myself with arms and ammunition that I may be in readiness when the word is passed, or I am commanded to defend the Church either as an individual or with the militia of the Pope. All of which I,_______________, do swear by the blessed Trinity and blessed sacrament which I am now to receive to perform and on part to keep this my oath. In testimony hereof, I take this most holy and blessed sacrament of the Eucharist and witness the same further with my name written with the point of this dagger dipped in my own blood and seal in the face of this holy sacrament.

If not for Rome there would be no Christianity that the protestants protested about and fought wars against. No bible, not nothing for the Protestants to quote at whim, to make it say whatever they want, they even read false things into it.

The 2nd whore of Babylon (the first was Babylon) is Rome, why because Rome was the second empire to totally destroy the Herods Temple in Jerusalem.

What wars did Protestants wage against the Jesuits, the military arm of the catholic church? 60 million people were murdered and tortured to death because they wouldn't acknowledge papal authority. The vatican isn't what those of the catholic faith believes it to be....not at all.

 

[gtopa1]

yes it does. Jews actually crucified tens of thousands of their own
during the reign of Pontius Pilate-------the SAINT. The roman army
was helpless to prevent the slaughter

Not quite.

On the contrary, every other historical record indicates Pilate was kind of ruthless and he had to be replaced because he was such an awful governor.

But when writing the Bible, they had to recast the Roman as the good guy, and the Jews as the bad guys.

so true Joe-----can you tell me how old you were when you FIRST accepted
that fact as fact?

Huh? We were taught that the bad guys were in fact ALL OF US WHO HAVE EVER SINNED; the Jews were merely one of the players as it could have well been ANY of us!!..Except his mum: Mary.

Greg

 

[zaangalewa]

… But to claim that the DP is immoral, as a matter of faith …

Who gives a judge the right to let murder a murderer and to make someone else in this way to a murderer of the murderer? Who gives the right for privileged forms of murder?

 

[zaangalewa]

how does that work? Shouldn’t God have some say in the matter?

For Catholics, doesn't the pope speak for god?

This is the problem with worshiping a man as god.

Besides that no one thinks Pope Francis is god - but let me ask: ¿Jesus?

When there is a good man like John Paul, no one notices, but when an evil man like Pope Francis is in charge, then trouble starts.

¿Good John Paul - evil Francis? What's the title of the film in which you live?

You need better translation software.

Are you translating Farsi to English?

No - I try to speak with idiots in their own native language. That's why I use this idiom. What did you not understand? I see in the moment as a mistake only a superfluously use of the word "but" in my text above.

Another question: Why do you think I am a Persian?

Your poor use of English made me suspect a translation program….

Tell me what you did not understand and I will explain to you what I liked to say. Or tell me in which other language I am able to communicate with you.

 

[Picaro]

the bible says "FISH ONLY ON FRIDAY"?? I missed that line

No, but it does clearly say the Jews killed Jesus.

Not even in dispute.

yes it does. Jews actually crucified tens of thousands of their own
during the reign of Pontius Pilate-------the SAINT. The roman army
was helpless to prevent the slaughter

Uhhmmmm..... don't think so. You're actually selling that Rome, the Empire with the iron fist, was "helpless" in iron-fisting its own colonies? And you've got crucifixion, the Roman penalty reserved for treason, proliferated internally by ... Jews?

This is a joke post, right? Were you on a gurney wearing a mask when you wrote this?

Don't know about 'tens of thousands', but Jewish priests and nobility were pretty militant and violent, and as a people in general, and death sentences and uprisings were common, especially in post-exilic centuries. Most of the pagan tribes around them were even more bloody and murderous, so they look tame in comparison to pagans, but that is a matter of degrees; they were very violent even compared to Romans, the 'pussycats' of the iron Age empires.

 

[Picaro]

how does that work? Shouldn’t God have some say in the matter?

For Catholics, doesn't the pope speak for god?

This is the problem with worshiping a man as god.

Besides that no one thinks Pope Francis is god - but let me ask: ¿Jesus?

When there is a good man like John Paul, no one notices, but when an evil man like Pope Francis is in charge, then trouble starts.

¿Good John Paul - evil Francis? What's the title of the film in which you live?

You need better translation software.

Are you translating Farsi to English?

No - I try to speak with idiots in their own native language. That's why I use this idiom. What did you not understand? I see in the moment as a mistake only a superfluously use of the word "but" in my text above.

Another question: Why do you think I am a Persian?

Your poor use of English made me suspect a translation program.

North Korea and Iran are particularly interested in political forums, so it seemed a valid guess.

I think the crank said he was from Germany in a post once.

 

[Picaro]

No, but it does clearly say the Jews killed Jesus.

Not even in dispute.

Italians killed Jesus

At insistence of the jews.

Italians killed Jesus

At insistence of the jews.

The Romans were well known to do whatevah DA
JOOOOOS wanted----like crucify something like 20,000
Pharisee jews. Ask the easter bunny

Y'all must be drinking Everclear out there.

Dig. Rome was a frickin' EMPIRE, OK? A YUGE one. It didn't get yuge by taking orders from their own conquered subjects. Put that idea out to frickin' pasture because it makes no sense at all.

Rome didn't give a shit what its conquerees did religiously among themselves; they stayed out of the way and weren't interested. What it WAS interested in was insurrection. Any kind of challenge to its authority. Whelp -- enter Jesus, doing exactly that, the purported "King of the Jews". THAT was going to get Rome's attention right quick, and did. That's what he was crucified for. Jews -- the colonized, under Rome's thumb --- weren't about to "insist" their own rebel be offed, LET ALONE presume to tell Rome what to do. All that shit was written in later as Spin. Any Jewish accedance to what Rome wanted to do would have been to save their own asses, lest Rome crucify them too.

That's why all that biblical bullshit about "kingdom of heaven" was invented after the fact, to cover up the political revolution Jesus clearly tried to effect by riding into town in full royal-savior pose at Passover, which started a riot (the "moneychangers"). The 'savioring' he was intending was to save the Jews from the Romans, in other words one more revolutionary trying to throw off the yoke of colonialism. No more complex than that. That particular revolution failed, as many do, and it was punished by the power in control whose power had been challenged, and that would be --- Rome. Not "da Joos". That's absurd.

Are you aware that the Palestine area at the first century was under a civil war. Rome didn't want to destroy Herod's temple but it came to that to end the civil war.
The elitist Jews didn't like Jesus making trouble at the temple with the money changers, and they wanted rid of him, so they had Pilate give the mob jews a choice,
Jesus the Christ or Jesus bar Abbas (Barabbas) and the mob of Jews yelled Barabbas they wanted to be set free. (this is according to the scriptures).

Titus right hand man was a jew, Tiberius Alexander, a nephew of Philo who the created the concept of the Logos.

Pffft "the scriptures" and consider the real world. "Jesus bar abbas" = Jesus Junior -- his son. The father gave himself up in exchange for Junior so that even if his attempt had failed his son might have a shot. The whole Judas mythology is another spin and the scripture-spin lets that cat out of the bag as well -- "go now and do what thou hast to do" -- far from "betraying" anybody Judas is following Jesus' orders.

Always consider who's writing, when and why. This scripture-spin was only writ down decades after Jesus was gone, and then edited by committee at Nicea three centuries later in a "let's get our story straight" project. It's hardly to be considered anywhere near a reliable history. It's fake news.

Ah, yet another 'scholar' who thinks something was 'edited at Nicea', but won't be able to give us a list of this dastardly feat that they try to use in order to make up stupid stuff about Da Evul Xians.

Nobody else ever has, maybe Pogo is 'Speshul'.