Pope’s Upcoming Visit has Israeli Security on High Alert

[montelatici]

I am sure Pope Francis is concerned about Christian minorities that are oppressed wherever they are.

 

[Sally]

I am sure Pope Francis is concerned about Christian minorities that are oppressed wherever they are.

I would think that he is more concerned with dead Christians who were murdered because of their beliefs like we have seen happen in places like Egypt, Iraq and Syria.

 

[montelatici]

Interestingly, Hindus are more deadly to Christians than Jews or Muslims and they are forced to convert.

"Hundreds of Christians in the Indian state of Orissa have been forced to renounce their religion and become Hindus after lynch mobs issued them with a stark ultimatum: convert or die."

Convert or we will kill you, Hindu lynch mobs tell fleeing Christians | World news | The Observer

 

[Sally]

Interestingly, Hindus are more deadly to Christians than Jews or Muslims and they are forced to convert.

"Hundreds of Christians in the Indian state of Orissa have been forced to renounce their religion and become Hindus after lynch mobs issued them with a stark ultimatum: convert or die."

Convert or we will kill you, Hindu lynch mobs tell fleeing Christians | World news | The Observer

Hindus in India don't like the Christian missionaries. amd I would bet that it is very rare that Hindus say convert or die to Christians, but this happens with the Muslims all the time as they force others to convert to Islam. However, the Hindus are not running to other countries to murder people for their religious beliefs. Naturally you close your eyes to what your newly-adopted brethren are doing to the Hindus in Pakistan. Why not tell us why so many Hindus are leaving Pakistan each year? As far as the Christians are concerned, I would think that there is good reason for the Pope to worry.

2014 | The Muslim Issue

 

[montelatici]

i I would bet that it is very rare that Hindus say convert or die to Christians

Of course you would, you hate Muslims and need to believe they are evil. That's what gets you going. You are a pitiful racist, that's all.

 

[Sally]

i I would bet that it is very rare that Hindus say convert or die to Christians

Of course you would, you hate Muslims and need to believe they are evil. That's what gets you going. You are a pitiful racist, that's all.

Yes, converts like Haniya get so fanatical in their new religion that they even close their eyes to the Muslims killing other Muslims. You are the one who is pitiful, Haniya. Your new brethren are busy murdering people in many locations of this world because of the religious beliefs these other people hold, and you don't have any concern at all for these innocent people. Tell us, Haniya, how many Shia and Ahmadiyya were murdered by Sunnis just this year because of difference in beliefs.

 

[Roudy]

"I'm agnostic. Catholics don't understand the significance of the Torah, so they willingly line up to make themselves useful idiots (Zionists). Their hearts are in the right place, but they are ignorant."
__________________

Since you're allegedly "agnostic" - what could you possibly mean by that bold stuff from your post?

I can't see what problem he would have with the Torah. I think Catholics are even reading and studying the Old Testament now. I believe what he is actually referring to are those fake Talmud quotes which are so popular on the NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate sites.

What Is the Torah - All About the Torah

"Roman Catholicism and Zionism are Irreconcilable"


"In 1904, Theodor Herzl, the founder of modern Zionism, was granted an audience with Pope St. Pius X. His purpose in meeting with the Pope was to gain support for the founding of a Jewish state in what was then known as Palestine. As Herzl recorded in his diary, the Pope gave an unfavorable response, saying: “We are unable to favor this movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem – but we could never sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people. And so if you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we will be ready with churches and priests to baptize all of you." ( This response might smack of “anti-Semitism” to modern ears, which are ultra-sensitive to criticisms of Zionism. However, as Catholics, we should give deep consideration to the theological and moral implications of the words of this pope-saint. While many Protestant groups are now giving wholesale support of Zionism, Catholics must recognize the inherent dangers to their faith that Zionism presents.
First of all, as Catholics, we must recognize that the Catholic Church is the New Israel. In fact, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, citing the Vatican II decree entitled Ad Gentes, refers to the Church in this way, stating, “Jesus instituted the Twelve as ‘the seeds of the new Israel and the beginning of the sacred hierarchy’” (paragraph 877). Likewise, in his first epistle, St. Peter applies terms formerly reserved for the Jewish people to the followers of Christ, thus explicitly pointing out the Church’s place as the New Israel: “you are a chosen generation, a kingly priesthood, a holy nation, a purchased people” (1 Peter 2:9). Clearly, we can see that it has been the traditional Catholic understanding that this title, “New Israel,” belongs to the Church. Implicitly, the Jewish people are no longer “the chosen people” or the “most beloved children of God.” To confirm this, the temple of Jerusalem was providentially destroyed by the Romans in the year 70 AD. This essentially destroyed the old Israel as a nation, because without a temple, it could no longer offer sacrifices to please God."

GSB: DCDave's Column

Who the **** is DC Dave? Is this another of your "legitimate sources"?! A NUTJOB with a BLOG? Bwahahahahahahaha! OMG you are too funny!

"Hi, I'm David Martin, named "DC Dave" by Jaz McKay when I did guest poetry on his radio show and it stuck. You've come to the right place if you want to read
Who Killed James Forrestal?, Upton Sinclair and Timothy McVeigh, America's Dreyfus Affair, the Case of the Death of Vincent Foster, The Lies (Poe Meets Orwell), or the 17 Techniques for Truth Suppression. "

Yup, DC Dave's big flag = DC Dave's SMALL BRAIN! Ha ha ha ha.

 

[Roudy]

"Roman Catholicism and Zionism are Irreconcilable"


"In 1904, Theodor Herzl, the founder of modern Zionism, was granted an audience with Pope St. Pius X. His purpose in meeting with the Pope was to gain support for the founding of a Jewish state in what was then known as Palestine. As Herzl recorded in his diary, the Pope gave an unfavorable response, saying: “We are unable to favor this movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem – but we could never sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people. And so if you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we will be ready with churches and priests to baptize all of you." ( This response might smack of “anti-Semitism” to modern ears, which are ultra-sensitive to criticisms of Zionism. However, as Catholics, we should give deep consideration to the theological and moral implications of the words of this pope-saint. While many Protestant groups are now giving wholesale support of Zionism, Catholics must recognize the inherent dangers to their faith that Zionism presents.
First of all, as Catholics, we must recognize that the Catholic Church is the New Israel. In fact, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, citing the Vatican II decree entitled Ad Gentes, refers to the Church in this way, stating, “Jesus instituted the Twelve as ‘the seeds of the new Israel and the beginning of the sacred hierarchy’” (paragraph 877). Likewise, in his first epistle, St. Peter applies terms formerly reserved for the Jewish people to the followers of Christ, thus explicitly pointing out the Church’s place as the New Israel: “you are a chosen generation, a kingly priesthood, a holy nation, a purchased people” (1 Peter 2:9). Clearly, we can see that it has been the traditional Catholic understanding that this title, “New Israel,” belongs to the Church. Implicitly, the Jewish people are no longer “the chosen people” or the “most beloved children of God.” To confirm this, the temple of Jerusalem was providentially destroyed by the Romans in the year 70 AD. This essentially destroyed the old Israel as a nation, because without a temple, it could no longer offer sacrifices to please God."

GSB: DCDave's Column

Church might still prefer to control Jerusalem, for the sake of peace, but thankfully attitudes at the Vatican have changed in the last century.

"(Reuters) - The Vatican hailed the United Nations' implicit recognition of a Palestinian state on Thursday and called for an internationally guaranteed special status for Jerusalem, something bound to irritate Israel.....But it also said it was a "propitious occasion" to recall a "common position" on Jerusalem expressed by the Vatican and the Palestine Liberation Organisation when the two sides signed a basic agreement on their bilateral relations in 2000....Thursday's statement called for "an internationally guaranteed special statute" for Jerusalem, aimed at "safeguarding the freedom of religion and of conscience, the identity and sacred character of Jerusalem as a Holy City, (and) respect for, and freedom of, access to its holy places."....The Vatican's re-stating of its position on Jerusalem, which has remained mostly dormant for years, was bound to irk Israel, "

Vatican Hails UN Palestinian State Vote, Calls For Special Status For Jerusalem

And?

 

[Roudy]

I am sure Pope Francis is concerned about Christian minorities that are oppressed wherever they are.

Yeah, oppressed by your Moooslem brethren MOHOMOD.

 

[aris2chat]

"Roman Catholicism and Zionism are Irreconcilable"


"In 1904, Theodor Herzl, the founder of modern Zionism, was granted an audience with Pope St. Pius X. His purpose in meeting with the Pope was to gain support for the founding of a Jewish state in what was then known as Palestine. As Herzl recorded in his diary, the Pope gave an unfavorable response, saying: “We are unable to favor this movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem – but we could never sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people. And so if you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we will be ready with churches and priests to baptize all of you." ( This response might smack of “anti-Semitism” to modern ears, which are ultra-sensitive to criticisms of Zionism. However, as Catholics, we should give deep consideration to the theological and moral implications of the words of this pope-saint. While many Protestant groups are now giving wholesale support of Zionism, Catholics must recognize the inherent dangers to their faith that Zionism presents.
First of all, as Catholics, we must recognize that the Catholic Church is the New Israel. In fact, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, citing the Vatican II decree entitled Ad Gentes, refers to the Church in this way, stating, “Jesus instituted the Twelve as ‘the seeds of the new Israel and the beginning of the sacred hierarchy’” (paragraph 877). Likewise, in his first epistle, St. Peter applies terms formerly reserved for the Jewish people to the followers of Christ, thus explicitly pointing out the Church’s place as the New Israel: “you are a chosen generation, a kingly priesthood, a holy nation, a purchased people” (1 Peter 2:9). Clearly, we can see that it has been the traditional Catholic understanding that this title, “New Israel,” belongs to the Church. Implicitly, the Jewish people are no longer “the chosen people” or the “most beloved children of God.” To confirm this, the temple of Jerusalem was providentially destroyed by the Romans in the year 70 AD. This essentially destroyed the old Israel as a nation, because without a temple, it could no longer offer sacrifices to please God."

GSB: DCDave's Column

Church might still prefer to control Jerusalem, for the sake of peace, but thankfully attitudes at the Vatican have changed in the last century.

"(Reuters) - The Vatican hailed the United Nations' implicit recognition of a Palestinian state on Thursday and called for an internationally guaranteed special status for Jerusalem, something bound to irritate Israel.....But it also said it was a "propitious occasion" to recall a "common position" on Jerusalem expressed by the Vatican and the Palestine Liberation Organisation when the two sides signed a basic agreement on their bilateral relations in 2000....Thursday's statement called for "an internationally guaranteed special statute" for Jerusalem, aimed at "safeguarding the freedom of religion and of conscience, the identity and sacred character of Jerusalem as a Holy City, (and) respect for, and freedom of, access to its holy places."....The Vatican's re-stating of its position on Jerusalem, which has remained mostly dormant for years, was bound to irk Israel, "

Vatican Hails UN Palestinian State Vote, Calls For Special Status For Jerusalem

Church wants to make sure it will have access to the holy sites, that all will have access.

 

[Phoenall]

Are the Hasidim going to stone him? And if so, will they shower first?

99.9999% of all the worlds stonings in the last 500 years have been carried out by muslims. Unless of course you can produce evidence to the contrary

That's nice, but are you claiming that Israeli jews give two ***** for Catholics?

What is your claim, or are you just some immature specimen that needs to big themselves up

 

[Phoenall]

^^Public Relations^^.

Talk to a jew for more than a few minutes and get an in-depth view of their frothing disdain for Catholics. Even among those who are otherwise pleasant and thoughtful, the resentment runs as deep as Loch Ness and its heart is just as cold.

Strange that as I talk to Jews for more than a few minutes every day, and they don't come across as being like that. The muslims on the other hand show hatred for all other creeds within seconds of talking to them.

 

[Phoenall]

^^Public Relations^^.

Talk to a jew for more than a few minutes and get an in-depth view of their frothing disdain for Catholics. Even among those who are otherwise pleasant and thoughtful, the resentment runs as deep as Loch Ness and its heart is just as cold.

And thank God you aren't a good example of the average Catholic mindset, in fact, you're a freaking Nazi and an embarrassment.

I'm agnostic. Catholics don't understand the significance of the Torah, so they willingly line up to make themselves useful idiots (Zionists). Their hearts are in the right place, but they are ignorant.

Why is that so many Zionists come from amongst the agnostics and atheists then, seeing as Zionism is above and beyond religion you should be embracing it wholeheartedly. The only group that refuses to even consider Zionism as a non violent semi political movement are the muslims.

 

[Phoenall]

The Pope is going to Israel, not Saudi Arabia.

Which is the spiritual home and birthplace of Catholicism, and the rest of the offshoots of Christianity. Israel is prepared to welcome him and make him feel welcome in the Holy land so he can walk in the footsteps of Jesus. Would the ISLAMONAZIS be as forgiving and as understanding, I think not.

 

[Phoenall]

The Pope is going to Israel, not Saudi Arabia.

What does the above have to do with the posters Racism and Hypocrisy; Does anybody know ?

It is the first Get out of jail card he could play. Divert, Deflect and Destroy the 3 steps employed by neo Marxists when they are losing the argument. If all else fails invoke Goodswins law

 

[Phoenall]

The Pope is going to Israel, not Saudi Arabia.

What does the above have to do with the posters Racism and Hypocrisy; Does anybody know ?

This is a discussion about Catholics and Jews, not Muslims.

Sorry to wake you.

NO it is a discussion about the popes visit to Israel and the security involved, so muslims are paramount to the topic.

Pope’s Upcoming Visit has Israeli Security on High Alert

 

[Phoenall]

"I'm agnostic. Catholics don't understand the significance of the Torah, so they willingly line up to make themselves useful idiots (Zionists). Their hearts are in the right place, but they are ignorant."
__________________

Since you're allegedly "agnostic" - what could you possibly mean by that bold stuff from your post?

I can't see what problem he would have with the Torah. I think Catholics are even reading and studying the Old Testament now. I believe what he is actually referring to are those fake Talmud quotes which are so popular on the NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate sites.

What Is the Torah - All About the Torah

"Roman Catholicism and Zionism are Irreconcilable"


"In 1904, Theodor Herzl, the founder of modern Zionism, was granted an audience with Pope St. Pius X. His purpose in meeting with the Pope was to gain support for the founding of a Jewish state in what was then known as Palestine. As Herzl recorded in his diary, the Pope gave an unfavorable response, saying: “We are unable to favor this movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem – but we could never sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people. And so if you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we will be ready with churches and priests to baptize all of you." ( This response might smack of “anti-Semitism” to modern ears, which are ultra-sensitive to criticisms of Zionism. However, as Catholics, we should give deep consideration to the theological and moral implications of the words of this pope-saint. While many Protestant groups are now giving wholesale support of Zionism, Catholics must recognize the inherent dangers to their faith that Zionism presents.
First of all, as Catholics, we must recognize that the Catholic Church is the New Israel. In fact, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, citing the Vatican II decree entitled Ad Gentes, refers to the Church in this way, stating, “Jesus instituted the Twelve as ‘the seeds of the new Israel and the beginning of the sacred hierarchy’” (paragraph 877). Likewise, in his first epistle, St. Peter applies terms formerly reserved for the Jewish people to the followers of Christ, thus explicitly pointing out the Church’s place as the New Israel: “you are a chosen generation, a kingly priesthood, a holy nation, a purchased people” (1 Peter 2:9). Clearly, we can see that it has been the traditional Catholic understanding that this title, “New Israel,” belongs to the Church. Implicitly, the Jewish people are no longer “the chosen people” or the “most beloved children of God.” To confirm this, the temple of Jerusalem was providentially destroyed by the Romans in the year 70 AD. This essentially destroyed the old Israel as a nation, because without a temple, it could no longer offer sacrifices to please God."

GSB: DCDave's Column

Another blog that the ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDIST CHILD is trying to pass of as reality

 

[Phoenall]

"Roman Catholicism and Zionism are Irreconcilable"


"In 1904, Theodor Herzl, the founder of modern Zionism, was granted an audience with Pope St. Pius X. His purpose in meeting with the Pope was to gain support for the founding of a Jewish state in what was then known as Palestine. As Herzl recorded in his diary, the Pope gave an unfavorable response, saying: “We are unable to favor this movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem – but we could never sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people. And so if you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we will be ready with churches and priests to baptize all of you." ( This response might smack of “anti-Semitism” to modern ears, which are ultra-sensitive to criticisms of Zionism. However, as Catholics, we should give deep consideration to the theological and moral implications of the words of this pope-saint. While many Protestant groups are now giving wholesale support of Zionism, Catholics must recognize the inherent dangers to their faith that Zionism presents.
First of all, as Catholics, we must recognize that the Catholic Church is the New Israel. In fact, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, citing the Vatican II decree entitled Ad Gentes, refers to the Church in this way, stating, “Jesus instituted the Twelve as ‘the seeds of the new Israel and the beginning of the sacred hierarchy’” (paragraph 877). Likewise, in his first epistle, St. Peter applies terms formerly reserved for the Jewish people to the followers of Christ, thus explicitly pointing out the Church’s place as the New Israel: “you are a chosen generation, a kingly priesthood, a holy nation, a purchased people” (1 Peter 2:9). Clearly, we can see that it has been the traditional Catholic understanding that this title, “New Israel,” belongs to the Church. Implicitly, the Jewish people are no longer “the chosen people” or the “most beloved children of God.” To confirm this, the temple of Jerusalem was providentially destroyed by the Romans in the year 70 AD. This essentially destroyed the old Israel as a nation, because without a temple, it could no longer offer sacrifices to please God."

GSB: DCDave's Column

Church might still prefer to control Jerusalem, for the sake of peace, but thankfully attitudes at the Vatican have changed in the last century.

"(Reuters) - The Vatican hailed the United Nations' implicit recognition of a Palestinian state on Thursday and called for an internationally guaranteed special status for Jerusalem, something bound to irritate Israel.....But it also said it was a "propitious occasion" to recall a "common position" on Jerusalem expressed by the Vatican and the Palestine Liberation Organisation when the two sides signed a basic agreement on their bilateral relations in 2000....Thursday's statement called for "an internationally guaranteed special statute" for Jerusalem, aimed at "safeguarding the freedom of religion and of conscience, the identity and sacred character of Jerusalem as a Holy City, (and) respect for, and freedom of, access to its holy places."....The Vatican's re-stating of its position on Jerusalem, which has remained mostly dormant for years, was bound to irk Israel, "

Vatican Hails UN Palestinian State Vote, Calls For Special Status For Jerusalem

No wonder the muslims want to kill the pope, he is taking away one of their most UNHOLY sites. After all it is not mentioned in the Koran, the mosque was not built until after mohameds death and the muslims treat the place as a latrine.

 

[Phoenall]

I am sure Pope Francis is concerned about Christian minorities that are oppressed wherever they are.

But more so for those who face the barbarity and violence of islam. As a famous Islamic leader said not that long ago............ " There is no such thing as moderate or extremist islam there is just islam "

 

[Phoenall]

Interestingly, Hindus are more deadly to Christians than Jews or Muslims and they are forced to convert.

"Hundreds of Christians in the Indian state of Orissa have been forced to renounce their religion and become Hindus after lynch mobs issued them with a stark ultimatum: convert or die."

Convert or we will kill you, Hindu lynch mobs tell fleeing Christians | World news | The Observer

What has India to do with the remit of this thread, stop deflecting, diverting and derailing the thread because it puts the muslims in the spotlight.