Poll: Voters think preventing gun violence is more important than protecting gun rights

[Brain357]

Yes we can be compared to other civilized countries. I understand it doesn't work too well for you. We are 11th with only 3rd world countries ahead of us? Violent crime is up for 2 years in a row and counting. And we regularly bury our police and have mass shootings. These things don't happen regularly where there is strong gun control. FACT!

Yes, as I said, our violent and gun crime decreased until the Ferguson Effect kicked in, and only then did it start to go up. It has nothing to do with guns, how many guns, or what type of guns. It has to do with the MSM exciting all these lowlifes and they respond.

So you mean after police shot an unarmed man? Something that doesn't happen in countries with strong gun control? Sorry, but your claimed cause is obviously because we have weak gun laws and too many guns. Because we have so many guns our police are regularly shot and killed. Because our police are regularly shot and killed they shoot and kill many people.

They always did. So why the increase in gun and violence since Ferguson? More guns????

Things finally erupted when they had enough. Just like our children are now sick of seeing so many people shot and killed.

There's a simple solution to the school shootings. How about having the Border Patrol tear down all the fence and walls on the Southern border. We don't need them. Then everyone who wants to can come into the country, get a job and purse their dreams. They're harmless, according to Pelosi and Schumer. After the fences are down, re-assign enough Border Patrol and I.C.E. agents to have one armed agent in each American school and college. The remaining agents can be utilized to fight fires in California. Think of the money saved. The Democrats will be happy because they get more voters and everything will be hunky dory. What say you.

There was an armed agent at the school in FL. Didn't help.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Too bad removing gun rights won't prevent gun violence.

Except the experience of every other developed nation shows it reduces gun violence to a fraction of that of the US'.

What you need to do is compare a country to itself. For instance, In Australia, they instituted their confiscation in 1996. Murders went down for two years, then went back up. It eventually went down again, but sexual assaults nearly doubled at the same time.

In 2010, long after the gun ban, murder and sexual assaults began to rise once again.

 

[JGalt]

Too bad removing gun rights won't prevent gun violence.

Except the experience of every other developed nation shows it reduces gun violence to a fraction of that of the US'.

But we aren't "every other nation", nor do we want to be. Every other nation doesn't have the same constitutional right to defend themselves. That's why "every other nation" has been subject to hundreds of years of world war, genocide, revolution, despotism, wholesale slaughter, and tyranny.

I don't see their children regularly being shot and killed.

Of course not. because their countries took away their right to defend themselves. So people use knives, trucks, and bombs, and just hope they're lucky enough that an armed officer will step up and stop the carnage.

 

[usmbguest5318]

So much for conservatives claiming "the country," "people/the people" doesn't want "this and that" re: gun control measures.


Fox News Poll: Voters favor gun measures, doubt Congress will act

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I'll tell you what "people" don't want.

• People don't want to tune into their news channel and hear about someone else being unlawfully shot dead.
• People don't want their federally elected representatives to keep talking about how to dramatically reduce the quantities of people who are unlawfully shot dead; they want their elected office holders to do something about it.

I think people are putting their feet down and as politely yet sternly telling their elected representatives the following:

• You've been given suggestions from constituents on the left and the right. Take the top two or three compatible suggestions from each one and implement them and we'll see if it gets the U.S unlawful homicide rate to a total of 3.250 or fewer deaths per year, by year, for a lustrum. If what you enact doesn't do it, you need to take more draconian measures. The one thing you're not going to do and retain your set in Congress is pay us "lip service" and pass "toothless" legislation and think we'll be thereby appeased.

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/----/ Libs say Fox News lies. So we can't accept this poll as being accurate. Sorry LIbs.

Liberals aren't the one's who need to accept the message of that poll; thus whether it's right or wrong, or to what degree it be either, is of no consequence for Liberals.

Conservatives, on the other hand, think Fox News does not lie, and Conservatives are the people who've been asserting that Liberals want to take "your" guns. A key finding in Fox's poll is that to the extent that "take your guns" means "take your assault weapons," 57% to 63% of the country does indeed want to do just that, and with that many people asserting as much, it's no longer a "dirty word" for Liberal candidates and elected office holders to just say so, and Fox News' poll is one of the things that gives Liberals license to just say so.

 

[Pogo]

Too bad removing gun rights won't prevent gun violence.

Except the experience of every other developed nation shows it reduces gun violence to a fraction of that of the US'.

What you need to do is compare a country to itself. For instance, In Australia, they instituted their confiscation in 1996. Murders went down for two years, then went back up. It eventually went down again, but sexual assaults nearly doubled at the same time.

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In 2010, long after the gun ban, murder and sexual assaults began to rise once again.

Another wag trying to conflate "gun violence" and "murder".
Desperate times call for desperate false comparisons.

 

[Brain357]

Too bad removing gun rights won't prevent gun violence.

Except the experience of every other developed nation shows it reduces gun violence to a fraction of that of the US'.

But we aren't "every other nation", nor do we want to be. Every other nation doesn't have the same constitutional right to defend themselves. That's why "every other nation" has been subject to hundreds of years of world war, genocide, revolution, despotism, wholesale slaughter, and tyranny.

I don't see their children regularly being shot and killed.

Of course not. because their countries took away their right to defend themselves. So people use knives, trucks, and bombs, and just hope they're lucky enough that an armed officer will step up and stop the carnage.

And their homicide rates are dramatically lower. Seems when their isn't easy access to guns that happens.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Actually your poll does not support removing firearms it is mostly a feel good poll about background checks and mental health checks when asked about banning firearms the NUMBERS dropped fast.

 

[usmbguest5318]

So much for conservatives claiming "the country," "people/the people" doesn't want "this and that" re: gun control measures.


Fox News Poll: Voters favor gun measures, doubt Congress will act

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I'll tell you what "people" don't want.

• People don't want to tune into their news channel and hear about someone else being unlawfully shot dead.
• People don't want their federally elected representatives to keep talking about how to dramatically reduce the quantities of people who are unlawfully shot dead; they want their elected office holders to do something about it.

I think people are putting their feet down and as politely yet sternly telling their elected representatives the following:

• You've been given suggestions from constituents on the left and the right. Take the top two or three compatible suggestions from each one and implement them and we'll see if it gets the U.S unlawful homicide rate to a total of 3.250 or fewer deaths per year, by year, for a lustrum. If what you enact doesn't do it, you need to take more draconian measures. The one thing you're not going to do and retain your set in Congress is pay us "lip service" and pass "toothless" legislation and think we'll be thereby appeased.

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Where, then, is the credible effort to amend the Constitution? As long as the Second Amendment remains in effect, every gun control policy that you favor is flatly illegal; and the only way to legitimize any of it is to amend the Constitution. By wise design, amending the Constitution is not a trivial or easy task, but if the public support that you claim was really there, then there absolutely would be a credible effort to do so underway, and it would have a very high chance of success.

There is no such effort underway, because the truth is that nobody in a position to initiate any such effort believes that there is anywhere near enough public support for it to give it any plausible chance of success.

All the claimed levels of support for policies which violate the Second Amendment are flat-out lies, and you know it, as do nearly all the others who are spreading them.

every gun control policy that you favor is flatly illegal

You just keep thinking that....

 

[Brain357]

Too bad removing gun rights won't prevent gun violence.

Except the experience of every other developed nation shows it reduces gun violence to a fraction of that of the US'.

What you need to do is compare a country to itself. For instance, In Australia, they instituted their confiscation in 1996. Murders went down for two years, then went back up. It eventually went down again, but sexual assaults nearly doubled at the same time.

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In 2010, long after the gun ban, murder and sexual assaults began to rise once again.

And their mass shooting problem pretty much disappeared.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Too bad removing gun rights won't prevent gun violence.

Except the experience of every other developed nation shows it reduces gun violence to a fraction of that of the US'.

What you need to do is compare a country to itself. For instance, In Australia, they instituted their confiscation in 1996. Murders went down for two years, then went back up. It eventually went down again, but sexual assaults nearly doubled at the same time.

View attachment 184674

In 2010, long after the gun ban, murder and sexual assaults began to rise once again.

Another wag trying to conflate "gun violence" and "murder".
Desperate times call for desperate false comparisons.

What's false about it?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Too bad removing gun rights won't prevent gun violence.

Except the experience of every other developed nation shows it reduces gun violence to a fraction of that of the US'.

What you need to do is compare a country to itself. For instance, In Australia, they instituted their confiscation in 1996. Murders went down for two years, then went back up. It eventually went down again, but sexual assaults nearly doubled at the same time.

View attachment 184674

In 2010, long after the gun ban, murder and sexual assaults began to rise once again.

And their mass shooting problem pretty much disappeared.

What does mass shootings have to do with anything. If some nut kills 15 people at a mall, or several kill 15 people in Chicago on a holiday weekend, what's the difference? 15 people are shot dead in each case.

 

[Brain357]

Too bad removing gun rights won't prevent gun violence.

Except the experience of every other developed nation shows it reduces gun violence to a fraction of that of the US'.

What you need to do is compare a country to itself. For instance, In Australia, they instituted their confiscation in 1996. Murders went down for two years, then went back up. It eventually went down again, but sexual assaults nearly doubled at the same time.

View attachment 184674

In 2010, long after the gun ban, murder and sexual assaults began to rise once again.

And their mass shooting problem pretty much disappeared.

What does mass shootings have to do with anything. If some nut kills 15 people at a mall, or several kill 15 people in Chicago on a holiday weekend, what's the difference? 15 people are shot dead in each case.

Well for one in the case of school shootings the dead are innocent school children. In the case of the Chicago shootings its mostly a bunch of gang bangers. You can't see the difference?

 

[depotoo]

There was an armed deputy. The fact he did nothing shows he shouldn’t have been assigned there.
The school district failed multiple times, Broward sheriffs office failed multiple times, Dfs failed, mental health worker failed, fbi failed twice, then a third time with the nics system.
And even if all those failures hadn’t happened and he was still on the streets, if he had the desire, he would have found a way. All he had to do was go to the nearest drug neighborhood and state he was willing to pay for a gun and would have gotten them. And he could have gone to Best Buy, bought components, Home Depot for shrapnel, and fertilizer and put together a bomb.

Yes, as I said, our violent and gun crime decreased until the Ferguson Effect kicked in, and only then did it start to go up. It has nothing to do with guns, how many guns, or what type of guns. It has to do with the MSM exciting all these lowlifes and they respond.

So you mean after police shot an unarmed man? Something that doesn't happen in countries with strong gun control? Sorry, but your claimed cause is obviously because we have weak gun laws and too many guns. Because we have so many guns our police are regularly shot and killed. Because our police are regularly shot and killed they shoot and kill many people.

They always did. So why the increase in gun and violence since Ferguson? More guns????

Things finally erupted when they had enough. Just like our children are now sick of seeing so many people shot and killed.

There's a simple solution to the school shootings. How about having the Border Patrol tear down all the fence and walls on the Southern border. We don't need them. Then everyone who wants to can come into the country, get a job and purse their dreams. They're harmless, according to Pelosi and Schumer. After the fences are down, re-assign enough Border Patrol and I.C.E. agents to have one armed agent in each American school and college. The remaining agents can be utilized to fight fires in California. Think of the money saved. The Democrats will be happy because they get more voters and everything will be hunky dory. What say you.

There was an armed agent at the school in FL. Didn't help.

 

[Brain357]

There was an armed deputy. The fact he did nothing shows he shouldn’t have been assigned there.
The school district failed multiple times, Broward sheriffs office failed multiple times, Dfs failed, mental health worker failed, fbi failed twice, then a third time with the nics system.
And even if all those failures hadn’t happened and he was still on the streets, if he had the desire, he would have found a way. All he had to do was go to the nearest drug neighborhood and state he was willing to pay for a gun and would have gotten them. And he could have gone to Best Buy, bought components, Home Depot for shrapnel, and fertilizer and put together a bomb.

So you mean after police shot an unarmed man? Something that doesn't happen in countries with strong gun control? Sorry, but your claimed cause is obviously because we have weak gun laws and too many guns. Because we have so many guns our police are regularly shot and killed. Because our police are regularly shot and killed they shoot and kill many people.

They always did. So why the increase in gun and violence since Ferguson? More guns????

Things finally erupted when they had enough. Just like our children are now sick of seeing so many people shot and killed.

There's a simple solution to the school shootings. How about having the Border Patrol tear down all the fence and walls on the Southern border. We don't need them. Then everyone who wants to can come into the country, get a job and purse their dreams. They're harmless, according to Pelosi and Schumer. After the fences are down, re-assign enough Border Patrol and I.C.E. agents to have one armed agent in each American school and college. The remaining agents can be utilized to fight fires in California. Think of the money saved. The Democrats will be happy because they get more voters and everything will be hunky dory. What say you.

There was an armed agent at the school in FL. Didn't help.

Yes it is very easy to get guns here, far too easy. The good thing is if they try to buy a gun illegally they can be caught before anyone dies.
Milwaukee man accused of plotting machine gun attack at Masonic center still in jail

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Too bad removing gun rights won't prevent gun violence.

Except the experience of every other developed nation shows it reduces gun violence to a fraction of that of the US'.

What you need to do is compare a country to itself. For instance, In Australia, they instituted their confiscation in 1996. Murders went down for two years, then went back up. It eventually went down again, but sexual assaults nearly doubled at the same time.

View attachment 184674

In 2010, long after the gun ban, murder and sexual assaults began to rise once again.

And their mass shooting problem pretty much disappeared.

What does mass shootings have to do with anything. If some nut kills 15 people at a mall, or several kill 15 people in Chicago on a holiday weekend, what's the difference? 15 people are shot dead in each case.

Well for one in the case of school shootings the dead are innocent school children. In the case of the Chicago shootings its mostly a bunch of gang bangers. You can't see the difference?

A difference on who died, of course. But the subject was what's the difference when it comes to how the killing took place. You do know that many people who get shot in those gang killings are innocent people too. And yes, children involved as well.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There was an armed agent at the school in FL. Didn't help.

There was one in Maryland too, it did help.

 

[depotoo]

Maybe start raising hell about the firearms black market, we might get somewhere. Only 3% of legal guns were used last year to commit murder. The other 97% of legal gun owners never committed any crime. And the other 97% of murders were with illegally held guns.

There was an armed deputy. The fact he did nothing shows he shouldn’t have been assigned there.
The school district failed multiple times, Broward sheriffs office failed multiple times, Dfs failed, mental health worker failed, fbi failed twice, then a third time with the nics system.
And even if all those failures hadn’t happened and he was still on the streets, if he had the desire, he would have found a way. All he had to do was go to the nearest drug neighborhood and state he was willing to pay for a gun and would have gotten them. And he could have gone to Best Buy, bought components, Home Depot for shrapnel, and fertilizer and put together a bomb.

They always did. So why the increase in gun and violence since Ferguson? More guns????

Things finally erupted when they had enough. Just like our children are now sick of seeing so many people shot and killed.

There's a simple solution to the school shootings. How about having the Border Patrol tear down all the fence and walls on the Southern border. We don't need them. Then everyone who wants to can come into the country, get a job and purse their dreams. They're harmless, according to Pelosi and Schumer. After the fences are down, re-assign enough Border Patrol and I.C.E. agents to have one armed agent in each American school and college. The remaining agents can be utilized to fight fires in California. Think of the money saved. The Democrats will be happy because they get more voters and everything will be hunky dory. What say you.

There was an armed agent at the school in FL. Didn't help.

Yes it is very easy to get guns here, far too easy. The good thing is if they try to buy a gun illegally they can be caught before anyone dies.
Milwaukee man accused of plotting machine gun attack at Masonic center still in jail

 

[depotoo]

Many times kids get hit in the crossfire, and with illegally acquired guns.

Except the experience of every other developed nation shows it reduces gun violence to a fraction of that of the US'.

What you need to do is compare a country to itself. For instance, In Australia, they instituted their confiscation in 1996. Murders went down for two years, then went back up. It eventually went down again, but sexual assaults nearly doubled at the same time.

View attachment 184674

In 2010, long after the gun ban, murder and sexual assaults began to rise once again.

And their mass shooting problem pretty much disappeared.

What does mass shootings have to do with anything. If some nut kills 15 people at a mall, or several kill 15 people in Chicago on a holiday weekend, what's the difference? 15 people are shot dead in each case.

Well for one in the case of school shootings the dead are innocent school children. In the case of the Chicago shootings its mostly a bunch of gang bangers. You can't see the difference?

A difference on who died, of course. But the subject was what's the difference when it comes to how the killing took place. You do know that many people who get shot in those gang killings are innocent people too. And yes, children involved as well.

 

[Brain357]

Except the experience of every other developed nation shows it reduces gun violence to a fraction of that of the US'.

What you need to do is compare a country to itself. For instance, In Australia, they instituted their confiscation in 1996. Murders went down for two years, then went back up. It eventually went down again, but sexual assaults nearly doubled at the same time.

View attachment 184674

In 2010, long after the gun ban, murder and sexual assaults began to rise once again.

And their mass shooting problem pretty much disappeared.

What does mass shootings have to do with anything. If some nut kills 15 people at a mall, or several kill 15 people in Chicago on a holiday weekend, what's the difference? 15 people are shot dead in each case.

Well for one in the case of school shootings the dead are innocent school children. In the case of the Chicago shootings its mostly a bunch of gang bangers. You can't see the difference?

A difference on who died, of course. But the subject was what's the difference when it comes to how the killing took place. You do know that many people who get shot in those gang killings are innocent people too. And yes, children involved as well.

Sure, lots and lots of people get shot when we have lots of guns. Much fewer get shot when there is strong gun control. Look at Israel. Practically in a war zone and they still have a much lower homicide rate than us. And they also have much stricter gun laws. They have quite a large minority population too.

 

[Brain357]

Maybe start raising hell about the firearms black market, we might get somewhere. Only 3% of legal guns were used last year to commit murder. The other 97% of legal gun owners never committed any crime. And the other 97% of murders were with illegally held guns.

There was an armed deputy. The fact he did nothing shows he shouldn’t have been assigned there.
The school district failed multiple times, Broward sheriffs office failed multiple times, Dfs failed, mental health worker failed, fbi failed twice, then a third time with the nics system.
And even if all those failures hadn’t happened and he was still on the streets, if he had the desire, he would have found a way. All he had to do was go to the nearest drug neighborhood and state he was willing to pay for a gun and would have gotten them. And he could have gone to Best Buy, bought components, Home Depot for shrapnel, and fertilizer and put together a bomb.

Things finally erupted when they had enough. Just like our children are now sick of seeing so many people shot and killed.

There's a simple solution to the school shootings. How about having the Border Patrol tear down all the fence and walls on the Southern border. We don't need them. Then everyone who wants to can come into the country, get a job and purse their dreams. They're harmless, according to Pelosi and Schumer. After the fences are down, re-assign enough Border Patrol and I.C.E. agents to have one armed agent in each American school and college. The remaining agents can be utilized to fight fires in California. Think of the money saved. The Democrats will be happy because they get more voters and everything will be hunky dory. What say you.

There was an armed agent at the school in FL. Didn't help.

Yes it is very easy to get guns here, far too easy. The good thing is if they try to buy a gun illegally they can be caught before anyone dies.
Milwaukee man accused of plotting machine gun attack at Masonic center still in jail

Lots of legal guns guarantees lots of illegal guns:
Up to 600,000 guns are stolen every year in the US – that's one every minute