POLL: Open the economy up and go back to work - Stay home and shutdown

[colfax_m]

As to the number killed, this is no where near as deadly as the annual flu and we never shut the country down for the flu.

There’s a lot of logical problems with this statement.

For starters, the first case of COVID showed up here about two months ago and is still growing at a rapid rate. You can not compare annual influenza deaths to the cumulative number of COVID deaths. Remember, we lost 500 people yesterday. And that number of deaths per day is only increasing so far.

Second, we have put into place unprecedented restrictions, which we all hope will be effective. I fear that if they are effective at limiting the spread of the virus, people will assume the restrictions were not necessary in the first place because COVID wasn’t “all that bad” and ignore the reason for that.

 

[Redfish]

As to the number killed, this is no where near as deadly as the annual flu and we never shut the country down for the flu.

There’s a lot of logical problems with this statement.

For starters, the first case of COVID showed up here about two months ago and is still growing at a rapid rate. You can not compare annual influenza deaths to the cumulative number of COVID deaths. Remember, we lost 500 people yesterday. And that number of deaths per day is only increasing so far.

Second, we have put into place unprecedented restrictions, which we all hope will be effective. I fear that if they are effective at limiting the spread of the virus, people will assume the restrictions were not necessary in the first place because COVID wasn’t “all that bad” and ignore the reason for that.

run for the hills, everybody panic, hoard toilet paper, hide from your neighbors, run, run, run its gonna kill us all=====================yaaaaa


happy now?

 

[Weatherman2020]

I'm seeing a lot of discussion but can't figure out who has the majority.

To re-open the US economy in a limited fashion around Easter Monday (4/13/20) with masks, social distancing, no sports venues, no cruises, or major crowds, just minimal re-opening businesses. The object is to keep as many companies in-business as possible.

Trump wants to reopen US businesses in weeks 'not months' even as deaths rise â as it happened

Democrats voted to oppose motion on the coronavirus stimulus bill, while Dr Anthony Fauci and others warn against scaling back social distancing

www.theguardian.com

Or, keep the economy and businesses shutdown until the coronavirus (COVID-19) is under control as recommended by the doctors, even if that means that many businesses would NOT re-open due to the lost revenue and bankruptcy.

Let the cowards stay home. All welfare and unemployment checks denied. They can pretend their in Venezuela and eat their pets.

Not to jinx us, but it looks like the virus is peaking and hopefully starts to wane from here.
1. The EU hit their peak number of 30,000 new cases per day 3/26 & 3/27. Lets hope they continue dropping.
2. The US should be close to our new case peak now, we should know early next week for sure.

I'm okay keeping non-essential workers home until the new 15-minute test rolls out and they issue medications to take. With luck we could all be working by late April, otherwise it could be late May.
We need this thing gone by August or football season is toast.

I wish you were correct but you're not. Deaths have doubled in just two days

Mortality is going to be a lagging indicator. The death rate will peak after the peak of new cases. Given the incubation period and the fact that most people with bad COVID have a more of a progressive deterioration rather than immediate decompensation, our data is always going to be several weeks behind.

How many of the people whose deaths have been attributed to the virus would have died anyway because of their underlying medical problems? Maybe the virus hastened their demise, maybe it didn't. We have no way of knowing. The stats are therefore misleading and meaningless.

It’s an odd argument to make. Everyone is going to die sometime anyway so why attempt to prevent it?

More to the point, statistics is very good at determining things like standard mortality ratios to determine what the attributable mortality of a particular issue would be.

Simply acting like this is the seasonal flu or chicken pox is not going to end well.

So when an 85 year old with diabetes, heart disease, and COPD dies and tests positive for corona, what killed him? There is no way to know, that's my point.

As to the number killed, this is no where near as deadly as the annual flu and we never shut the country down for the flu.

If the 85 year old tests positive for COVID, develops fever, pulmonary infiltrates and respiratory distress requiring mechanical ventilation and codes due to hypoxemic cardiac arrest, then yes COVID killed them.

Just as a common cold kills thousands every year.

 

[colfax_m]

I'm seeing a lot of discussion but can't figure out who has the majority.

To re-open the US economy in a limited fashion around Easter Monday (4/13/20) with masks, social distancing, no sports venues, no cruises, or major crowds, just minimal re-opening businesses. The object is to keep as many companies in-business as possible.

Trump wants to reopen US businesses in weeks 'not months' even as deaths rise â as it happened

Democrats voted to oppose motion on the coronavirus stimulus bill, while Dr Anthony Fauci and others warn against scaling back social distancing

www.theguardian.com

Or, keep the economy and businesses shutdown until the coronavirus (COVID-19) is under control as recommended by the doctors, even if that means that many businesses would NOT re-open due to the lost revenue and bankruptcy.

Let the cowards stay home. All welfare and unemployment checks denied. They can pretend their in Venezuela and eat their pets.

Not to jinx us, but it looks like the virus is peaking and hopefully starts to wane from here.
1. The EU hit their peak number of 30,000 new cases per day 3/26 & 3/27. Lets hope they continue dropping.
2. The US should be close to our new case peak now, we should know early next week for sure.

I'm okay keeping non-essential workers home until the new 15-minute test rolls out and they issue medications to take. With luck we could all be working by late April, otherwise it could be late May.
We need this thing gone by August or football season is toast.

I wish you were correct but you're not. Deaths have doubled in just two days

Mortality is going to be a lagging indicator. The death rate will peak after the peak of new cases. Given the incubation period and the fact that most people with bad COVID have a more of a progressive deterioration rather than immediate decompensation, our data is always going to be several weeks behind.

How many of the people whose deaths have been attributed to the virus would have died anyway because of their underlying medical problems? Maybe the virus hastened their demise, maybe it didn't. We have no way of knowing. The stats are therefore misleading and meaningless.

It’s an odd argument to make. Everyone is going to die sometime anyway so why attempt to prevent it?

More to the point, statistics is very good at determining things like standard mortality ratios to determine what the attributable mortality of a particular issue would be.

Simply acting like this is the seasonal flu or chicken pox is not going to end well.

So when an 85 year old with diabetes, heart disease, and COPD dies and tests positive for corona, what killed him? There is no way to know, that's my point.

As to the number killed, this is no where near as deadly as the annual flu and we never shut the country down for the flu.

If the 85 year old tests positive for COVID, develops fever, pulmonary infiltrates and respiratory distress requiring mechanical ventilation and codes due to hypoxemic cardiac arrest, then yes COVID killed them.

wrong, their underlying medical conditions made them more susceptible to the virus. so a strong case can be made that the virus merely accelerated what was going to happen anyway. the flu or a cold could have had the exact same outcome.

Any doctor would tell you the proximate cause of death would be COVID and list that on the death certificate. Contributing cormobid conditions would be listed as well, but the cause of death would be COVID.

 

[colfax_m]

As to the number killed, this is no where near as deadly as the annual flu and we never shut the country down for the flu.

There’s a lot of logical problems with this statement.

For starters, the first case of COVID showed up here about two months ago and is still growing at a rapid rate. You can not compare annual influenza deaths to the cumulative number of COVID deaths. Remember, we lost 500 people yesterday. And that number of deaths per day is only increasing so far.

Second, we have put into place unprecedented restrictions, which we all hope will be effective. I fear that if they are effective at limiting the spread of the virus, people will assume the restrictions were not necessary in the first place because COVID wasn’t “all that bad” and ignore the reason for that.

run for the hills, everybody panic, hoard toilet paper, hide from your neighbors, run, run, run its gonna kill us all=====================yaaaaa


happy now?

No. Why does everything need to be one extreme or the other?

 

[Seawytch]

As to the number killed, this is no where near as deadly as the annual flu and we never shut the country down for the flu.

There’s a lot of logical problems with this statement.

For starters, the first case of COVID showed up here about two months ago and is still growing at a rapid rate. You can not compare annual influenza deaths to the cumulative number of COVID deaths. Remember, we lost 500 people yesterday. And that number of deaths per day is only increasing so far.

Second, we have put into place unprecedented restrictions, which we all hope will be effective. I fear that if they are effective at limiting the spread of the virus, people will assume the restrictions were not necessary in the first place because COVID wasn’t “all that bad” and ignore the reason for that.

run for the hills, everybody panic, hoard toilet paper, hide from your neighbors, run, run, run its gonna kill us all=====================yaaaaa


happy now?

No. Why does everything need to be one extreme or the other?

Redfish...like Red Herring. (Aptly named)

 

[Seawytch]

I'm seeing a lot of discussion but can't figure out who has the majority.

To re-open the US economy in a limited fashion around Easter Monday (4/13/20) with masks, social distancing, no sports venues, no cruises, or major crowds, just minimal re-opening businesses. The object is to keep as many companies in-business as possible.

Trump wants to reopen US businesses in weeks 'not months' even as deaths rise â as it happened

Democrats voted to oppose motion on the coronavirus stimulus bill, while Dr Anthony Fauci and others warn against scaling back social distancing

www.theguardian.com

Or, keep the economy and businesses shutdown until the coronavirus (COVID-19) is under control as recommended by the doctors, even if that means that many businesses would NOT re-open due to the lost revenue and bankruptcy.

Let the cowards stay home. All welfare and unemployment checks denied. They can pretend their in Venezuela and eat their pets.

Not to jinx us, but it looks like the virus is peaking and hopefully starts to wane from here.
1. The EU hit their peak number of 30,000 new cases per day 3/26 & 3/27. Lets hope they continue dropping.
2. The US should be close to our new case peak now, we should know early next week for sure.

I'm okay keeping non-essential workers home until the new 15-minute test rolls out and they issue medications to take. With luck we could all be working by late April, otherwise it could be late May.
We need this thing gone by August or football season is toast.

I wish you were correct but you're not. Deaths have doubled in just two days

Mortality is going to be a lagging indicator. The death rate will peak after the peak of new cases. Given the incubation period and the fact that most people with bad COVID have a more of a progressive deterioration rather than immediate decompensation, our data is always going to be several weeks behind.

How many of the people whose deaths have been attributed to the virus would have died anyway because of their underlying medical problems? Maybe the virus hastened their demise, maybe it didn't. We have no way of knowing. The stats are therefore misleading and meaningless.

It’s an odd argument to make. Everyone is going to die sometime anyway so why attempt to prevent it?

More to the point, statistics is very good at determining things like standard mortality ratios to determine what the attributable mortality of a particular issue would be.

Simply acting like this is the seasonal flu or chicken pox is not going to end well.

So when an 85 year old with diabetes, heart disease, and COPD dies and tests positive for corona, what killed him? There is no way to know, that's my point.

As to the number killed, this is no where near as deadly as the annual flu and we never shut the country down for the flu.

If the 85 year old tests positive for COVID, develops fever, pulmonary infiltrates and respiratory distress requiring mechanical ventilation and codes due to hypoxemic cardiac arrest, then yes COVID killed them.

Just as a common cold kills thousands every year.

The common cold does not kill thousands each year, the flu does. It does not, however mean COVID 19 is the same as the flu.

Differences: COVID-19 and the Flu
Cause
COVID-19: Caused by one virus, the novel 2019 coronavirus, now called severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, or SARS-CoV-2.

Flu: Caused by any of several different types and strains of influenza viruses.

Transmission
While both the flu and COVID-19 may be transmitted in similar ways (see the Similarities section above), there is also a possible difference: COVID-19 might be spread through the airborne route, meaning that tiny droplets remaining in the air could cause disease in others even after the ill person is no longer near.

Antiviral Medications
COVID-19: Antiviral medications and other therapies are currently being tested to see if they can address symptoms.

Flu: Antiviral medications can address symptoms and sometimes shorten the duration of the illness.

Vaccine
COVID-19: No vaccine is available at this time, though it is in progress.

Flu: A vaccine is available and effective to prevent some of the most dangerous types or to reduce the severity of the flu.

COVID-19 vs. the Flu

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

 

[Contumacious]

I'm seeing a lot of discussion but can't figure out who has the majority.

To re-open the US economy in a limited fashion around Easter Monday (4/13/20) with masks, social distancing, no sports venues, no cruises, or major crowds, just minimal re-opening businesses. The object is to keep as many companies in-business as possible.

Trump wants to reopen US businesses in weeks 'not months' even as deaths rise â as it happened

Democrats voted to oppose motion on the coronavirus stimulus bill, while Dr Anthony Fauci and others warn against scaling back social distancing

www.theguardian.com

Or, keep the economy and businesses shutdown until the coronavirus (COVID-19) is under control as recommended by the doctors, even if that means that many businesses would NOT re-open due to the lost revenue and bankruptcy.

Let the cowards stay home. All welfare and unemployment checks denied. They can pretend their in Venezuela and eat their pets.

Not to jinx us, but it looks like the virus is peaking and hopefully starts to wane from here.
1. The EU hit their peak number of 30,000 new cases per day 3/26 & 3/27. Lets hope they continue dropping.
2. The US should be close to our new case peak now, we should know early next week for sure.

I'm okay keeping non-essential workers home until the new 15-minute test rolls out and they issue medications to take. With luck we could all be working by late April, otherwise it could be late May.
We need this thing gone by August or football season is toast.

I wish you were correct but you're not. Deaths have doubled in just two days

Mortality is going to be a lagging indicator. The death rate will peak after the peak of new cases. Given the incubation period and the fact that most people with bad COVID have a more of a progressive deterioration rather than immediate decompensation, our data is always going to be several weeks behind.

How many of the people whose deaths have been attributed to the virus would have died anyway because of their underlying medical problems? Maybe the virus hastened their demise, maybe it didn't. We have no way of knowing. The stats are therefore misleading and meaningless.

EXACTLY.

Now, there is strong circumstantial evidence that coravid-19 is a weaponized or engineered organism.

coronavirus + Organism X = coravid-19

because there are reports that patients who have been administered AZITHROMYCIN - AN ANTIBIOTIC - have done very very well.

So many patients who were treated early during the epidemic were not treated correctly.

.

 

[colfax_m]

Now, there is strong circumstantial evidence that coravid-19 is a weaponized or engineered organism.

No, there is not.

 

[Contumacious]

Now, there is strong circumstantial evidence that coravid-19 is a weaponized or engineered organism.

No, there is not.

And you came to that conclusion HOW ?

But Why Are Antibiotics & Not Anti-Virals Quelling The COVID-19 Coronavirus? Is It Really A Virus?

 

[colfax_m]

Now, there is strong circumstantial evidence that coravid-19 is a weaponized or engineered organism.

No, there is not.

And you came to that conclusion HOW ?

But Why Are Antibiotics & Not Anti-Virals Quelling The COVID-19 Coronavirus? Is It Really A Virus?

Because every article claiming to have evidence that it was engineered is nonsense.

Azithromycin has well described anti-inflammatory properties.

 

[Contumacious]

Now, there is strong circumstantial evidence that coravid-19 is a weaponized or engineered organism.

No, there is not.

And you came to that conclusion HOW ?

But Why Are Antibiotics & Not Anti-Virals Quelling The COVID-19 Coronavirus? Is It Really A Virus?

Because every article claiming to have evidence that it was engineered is nonsense.

Azithromycin has well described anti-inflammatory properties.

Reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally?


Descriptions

Azithromycin is used to treat certain bacterial infections in many different parts of the body. This medicine may mask or delay the symptoms of syphilis. It is not effective against syphilis infections.



Azithromycin belongs to the class of drugs known as macrolide antibiotics. It works by killing bacteria or preventing their growth. However, this medicine will not work for colds, flu, or other virus infections.




Ooooooooooooooooooooooooops , where is the anti-inflammatory properties ?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Shut the fuck up .

 

[colfax_m]

Now, there is strong circumstantial evidence that coravid-19 is a weaponized or engineered organism.

No, there is not.

And you came to that conclusion HOW ?

But Why Are Antibiotics & Not Anti-Virals Quelling The COVID-19 Coronavirus? Is It Really A Virus?

Because every article claiming to have evidence that it was engineered is nonsense.

Azithromycin has well described anti-inflammatory properties.

Reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally?


Descriptions

Azithromycin is used to treat certain bacterial infections in many different parts of the body. This medicine may mask or delay the symptoms of syphilis. It is not effective against syphilis infections.



Azithromycin belongs to the class of drugs known as macrolide antibiotics. It works by killing bacteria or preventing their growth. However, this medicine will not work for colds, flu, or other virus infections.




Ooooooooooooooooooooooooops , where is the anti-inflammatory properties ?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Shut the fuck up .

Yes, really.

Anti-inflammatory mechanism of action of azithromycin in LPS-stimulated J774A.1 cells

Azithromycin is a macrolide antibiotic with well-described anti-inflammatory properties which can be attributed, at least partially, to its action on …

www.sciencedirect.com

I have no intention of shutting up when I’m correct. With all due respect, I know more about this than you do.

 

[Redfish]

As to the number killed, this is no where near as deadly as the annual flu and we never shut the country down for the flu.

There’s a lot of logical problems with this statement.

For starters, the first case of COVID showed up here about two months ago and is still growing at a rapid rate. You can not compare annual influenza deaths to the cumulative number of COVID deaths. Remember, we lost 500 people yesterday. And that number of deaths per day is only increasing so far.

Second, we have put into place unprecedented restrictions, which we all hope will be effective. I fear that if they are effective at limiting the spread of the virus, people will assume the restrictions were not necessary in the first place because COVID wasn’t “all that bad” and ignore the reason for that.

run for the hills, everybody panic, hoard toilet paper, hide from your neighbors, run, run, run its gonna kill us all=====================yaaaaa


happy now?

No. Why does everything need to be one extreme or the other?

its you on the left that are screaming for the extremes. I am pleading for common sense.

 

[Redfish]

I'm seeing a lot of discussion but can't figure out who has the majority.

To re-open the US economy in a limited fashion around Easter Monday (4/13/20) with masks, social distancing, no sports venues, no cruises, or major crowds, just minimal re-opening businesses. The object is to keep as many companies in-business as possible.

Trump wants to reopen US businesses in weeks 'not months' even as deaths rise â as it happened

Democrats voted to oppose motion on the coronavirus stimulus bill, while Dr Anthony Fauci and others warn against scaling back social distancing

www.theguardian.com

Or, keep the economy and businesses shutdown until the coronavirus (COVID-19) is under control as recommended by the doctors, even if that means that many businesses would NOT re-open due to the lost revenue and bankruptcy.

Let the cowards stay home. All welfare and unemployment checks denied. They can pretend their in Venezuela and eat their pets.

Not to jinx us, but it looks like the virus is peaking and hopefully starts to wane from here.
1. The EU hit their peak number of 30,000 new cases per day 3/26 & 3/27. Lets hope they continue dropping.
2. The US should be close to our new case peak now, we should know early next week for sure.

I'm okay keeping non-essential workers home until the new 15-minute test rolls out and they issue medications to take. With luck we could all be working by late April, otherwise it could be late May.
We need this thing gone by August or football season is toast.

I wish you were correct but you're not. Deaths have doubled in just two days

Mortality is going to be a lagging indicator. The death rate will peak after the peak of new cases. Given the incubation period and the fact that most people with bad COVID have a more of a progressive deterioration rather than immediate decompensation, our data is always going to be several weeks behind.

How many of the people whose deaths have been attributed to the virus would have died anyway because of their underlying medical problems? Maybe the virus hastened their demise, maybe it didn't. We have no way of knowing. The stats are therefore misleading and meaningless.

It’s an odd argument to make. Everyone is going to die sometime anyway so why attempt to prevent it?

More to the point, statistics is very good at determining things like standard mortality ratios to determine what the attributable mortality of a particular issue would be.

Simply acting like this is the seasonal flu or chicken pox is not going to end well.

So when an 85 year old with diabetes, heart disease, and COPD dies and tests positive for corona, what killed him? There is no way to know, that's my point.

As to the number killed, this is no where near as deadly as the annual flu and we never shut the country down for the flu.

If the 85 year old tests positive for COVID, develops fever, pulmonary infiltrates and respiratory distress requiring mechanical ventilation and codes due to hypoxemic cardiac arrest, then yes COVID killed them.

Just as a common cold kills thousands every year.

The common cold does not kill thousands each year, the flu does. It does not, however mean COVID 19 is the same as the flu.

Differences: COVID-19 and the Flu
Cause
COVID-19: Caused by one virus, the novel 2019 coronavirus, now called severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, or SARS-CoV-2.

Flu: Caused by any of several different types and strains of influenza viruses.

Transmission
While both the flu and COVID-19 may be transmitted in similar ways (see the Similarities section above), there is also a possible difference: COVID-19 might be spread through the airborne route, meaning that tiny droplets remaining in the air could cause disease in others even after the ill person is no longer near.

Antiviral Medications
COVID-19: Antiviral medications and other therapies are currently being tested to see if they can address symptoms.

Flu: Antiviral medications can address symptoms and sometimes shorten the duration of the illness.

Vaccine
COVID-19: No vaccine is available at this time, though it is in progress.

Flu: A vaccine is available and effective to prevent some of the most dangerous types or to reduce the severity of the flu.

COVID-19 vs. the Flu

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

Not one person has said that flu and covid 19 are "the same". What has been pointed out many times, that you refuse to acknowledge, is that the flu kills more people every year than this virus ever will.

we will have a covid vaccine for next season, we have flu vaccines that work very well but we still have many flu deaths, maybe because of the fake news about vaccines and autism and the allegations that the govt is "putting something in the vaccines". both are untrue and based on ignorance and political bullshit.

 

[colfax_m]

As to the number killed, this is no where near as deadly as the annual flu and we never shut the country down for the flu.

There’s a lot of logical problems with this statement.

For starters, the first case of COVID showed up here about two months ago and is still growing at a rapid rate. You can not compare annual influenza deaths to the cumulative number of COVID deaths. Remember, we lost 500 people yesterday. And that number of deaths per day is only increasing so far.

Second, we have put into place unprecedented restrictions, which we all hope will be effective. I fear that if they are effective at limiting the spread of the virus, people will assume the restrictions were not necessary in the first place because COVID wasn’t “all that bad” and ignore the reason for that.

run for the hills, everybody panic, hoard toilet paper, hide from your neighbors, run, run, run its gonna kill us all=====================yaaaaa


happy now?

No. Why does everything need to be one extreme or the other?

its you on the left that are screaming for the extremes. I am pleading for common sense.

I could say the same about “you on the right”. (Maybe we will quarantine all of New York, right?)

You are mischaracterizing me by assuming that I am saying something I’m not.

 

[Contumacious]

Now, there is strong circumstantial evidence that coravid-19 is a weaponized or engineered organism.

No, there is not.

And you came to that conclusion HOW ?

But Why Are Antibiotics & Not Anti-Virals Quelling The COVID-19 Coronavirus? Is It Really A Virus?

Because every article claiming to have evidence that it was engineered is nonsense.

Azithromycin has well described anti-inflammatory properties.

Reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally?


Descriptions

Azithromycin is used to treat certain bacterial infections in many different parts of the body. This medicine may mask or delay the symptoms of syphilis. It is not effective against syphilis infections.



Azithromycin belongs to the class of drugs known as macrolide antibiotics. It works by killing bacteria or preventing their growth. However, this medicine will not work for colds, flu, or other virus infections.




Ooooooooooooooooooooooooops , where is the anti-inflammatory properties ?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Shut the fuck up .

Yes, really.

Anti-inflammatory mechanism of action of azithromycin in LPS-stimulated J774A.1 cells

Azithromycin is a macrolide antibiotic with well-described anti-inflammatory properties which can be attributed, at least partially, to its action on …

www.sciencedirect.com

I have no intention of shutting up when I’m correct. With all due respect, I know more about this than you do.

From your article:

"Azithromycin is a macrolide antibiotic with well-described anti-inflammatory properties which can be attributed, at least partially, to its action on macrophages. "

So yes , in that manner it acts as an anti-inflammatory because the body does not have to continue producing macrophages so the swelling goes down.

BUT macrophages only appear at the site of a BACTERIAL INFECTION

Macrophage autophagy is central to host defenses against bacterial infections, sending intracellular pathogens to lysosomes for degradation while controlling inflammation to limit host damage .

SO walk me through it how does it help someone with covid-19 pneumonia or shut the fuck up.


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[Redfish]

Now, there is strong circumstantial evidence that coravid-19 is a weaponized or engineered organism.

No, there is not.

And you came to that conclusion HOW ?

But Why Are Antibiotics & Not Anti-Virals Quelling The COVID-19 Coronavirus? Is It Really A Virus?

Because every article claiming to have evidence that it was engineered is nonsense.

Azithromycin has well described anti-inflammatory properties.

It started in Wuhan where there is a semi secret chinese factory producing all kinds of viruses and toxic bacteria. they use animals like bats for the testing, chinese also eat bats and other weird animals.

So who can say that some worker did not steal an infected test animal and thereby release the virus. or maybe one of the bats escaped. OR, maybe the Chinese released it on purpose. They don't give a shit about their average citizens, they have too many of them already, so why not release it, kill some chinese and then kill some of their enemies in europe and america?

Can you prove that did not happen?

 

[Redfish]

As to the number killed, this is no where near as deadly as the annual flu and we never shut the country down for the flu.

There’s a lot of logical problems with this statement.

For starters, the first case of COVID showed up here about two months ago and is still growing at a rapid rate. You can not compare annual influenza deaths to the cumulative number of COVID deaths. Remember, we lost 500 people yesterday. And that number of deaths per day is only increasing so far.

Second, we have put into place unprecedented restrictions, which we all hope will be effective. I fear that if they are effective at limiting the spread of the virus, people will assume the restrictions were not necessary in the first place because COVID wasn’t “all that bad” and ignore the reason for that.

run for the hills, everybody panic, hoard toilet paper, hide from your neighbors, run, run, run its gonna kill us all=====================yaaaaa


happy now?

No. Why does everything need to be one extreme or the other?

its you on the left that are screaming for the extremes. I am pleading for common sense.

I could say the same about “you on the right”. (Maybe we will quarantine all of New York, right?)

You are mischaracterizing me by assuming that I am saying something I’m not.

a quarantine of NYC may be appropriate for a while. I am just waiting for an outbreak in the homeless in LA and SFO where there is no sanitation and human waste is running in the gutters. Then what? Whose fault would that be?

 

[colfax_m]

What has been pointed out many times, that you refuse to acknowledge, is that the flu kills more people every year than this virus ever will.

How can you make that statement with any degree of certainty?