[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[bripat9643]

I believe that our tax laws are Constitutional.

Really? So how does filling out form 1040 square with the 5th Amendment?

I believe that our tax laws are Constitutional. So does the Supreme Court. If you don't, challenge the law and pay for the lawyers to get a decision on your concerns from the Federal Courts.

I didn't ask you whether you believe they are Constitutional. I asked you how you square filling out form 1040 with the 5th Amendment.

Obviously, you are afraid to answer the question.

 

[PMZ]

Where?
Specifics please.
At least you admit you believe it is okay to plunder from the producers to grow the moocher class.

I believe that our tax laws are Constitutional.

I believe that you are drunk.

If I was, I'd be sober in the morning. However you'll wake up just as stupid tomorrow.

 

[PMZ]

Really? So how does filling out form 1040 square with the 5th Amendment?

I believe that our tax laws are Constitutional. So does the Supreme Court. If you don't, challenge the law and pay for the lawyers to get a decision on your concerns from the Federal Courts.

I didn't ask you whether you believe they are Constitutional. I asked you how you square filling out form 1040 with the 5th Amendment.

Obviously, you are afraid to answer the question.

Laws that are Constitutional are enforceable. If you are unable to fill out a 1040, don't. The government will let you know what the consequences will be. Total freedom. You get to choose.

 

[jasonnfree]

Why is it people believe they have a right to other people's property?
Where is it written in law that someone has a right to property that they did not earn?

It's written in the same place where 4 or 5 people that never worked a day in their lives can have more wealth than the bottom 130 million people in this country. This is a country where politicians promise anything to their base during election season but in reality they're for sale to the wealthiest among us, which will get worse because of the supremes freeing up money that corporations can use to influence politics and elections. This ungodly inequality of wealth could be slowly changed by taxpayer only funded elections.

 

[PMZ]

Full Definition of ARISTOCRACY

1: government by the best individuals or by a small privileged class
2

a : a government in which power is vested in a minority consisting of those believed to be best qualified
b : a state with such a government​

3: a governing body or upper class usually made up of a hereditary nobility
4: the aggregate of those believed to be superior​

Exactly as I said. Government by those who consider themselves superior.

In other words, rule by liberals?

Democracy. Rule by the majority.

 

[bripat9643]

I believe that our tax laws are Constitutional. So does the Supreme Court. If you don't, challenge the law and pay for the lawyers to get a decision on your concerns from the Federal Courts.

I didn't ask you whether you believe they are Constitutional. I asked you how you square filling out form 1040 with the 5th Amendment.

Obviously, you are afraid to answer the question.

Laws that are Constitutional are enforceable. If you are unable to fill out a 1040, don't. The government will let you know what the consequences will be. Total freedom. You get to choose.

You still haven't answered the question. How does form 1040 square with the 5th Amendment?

Apparently, your definition of "total freedom" is "Do what we say or we'll kill you. You choose."

 

[bripat9643]

And you are an idiot with a profound aversion to thinking and a thugs instinct for demeaning everybody who's not you.

A "thug" is someone who uses force to take your stuff or make you do what he wants. That's a perfect description of a liberal, or a commie like you.

Nazis like you were notorious thugs. Business people who screw employees, suppliers, customers and their country are thugs to me and heroes to you.

When have I ever used force to take anyone's stuff or make them do what I want?

If it isn't illegal, what does this "screwing" consist of? What form of force is used? Please explain.

 

[PMZ]

Why is it people believe they have a right to other people's property?
Where is it written in law that someone has a right to property that they did not earn?

It's written in the same place where 4 or 5 people that never worked a day in their lives can have more wealth than the bottom 130 million people in this country. This is a country where politicians promise anything to their base during election season but in reality they're for sale to the wealthiest among us, which will get worse because of the supremes freeing up money that corporations can use to influence politics and elections. This ungodly inequality of wealth could be slowly changed by taxpayer only funded elections.

Conservatives value having wealth over creating it. Because they don't value work. They want to reward owning means and punish creating goods and services of value.

If they get their way, business is dead. Innovation is dead. The work ethic is dead.

 

[bripat9643]

Aristocracy is government by those who think themselves superior.

Wrong, nimrod. All politicians think they are superior, so that characteristic doesn't distinguish aristocracy from any other form of government. The explanation I gave is correct.



Liberals believe it more than anyone.

Democracy is the biggest obstacle to conservative success in recreating what the founders wanted and we the people changed.

That's true enough, but it has nothing to do with your delusions. The Founders tried to create a free country. The Dims are turning it into a socialist tyranny.

Your raisin sized gonads are the only things keeping you here. Man up and solve your problem. Be free rather than whining.

When are you going to "man up" and move to Cuba? It is your ideal society, is it not?

 

[PMZ]

Full Definition of ARISTOCRACY

1: government by the best individuals or by a small privileged class
2

a : a government in which power is vested in a minority consisting of those believed to be best qualified
b : a state with such a government​

3: a governing body or upper class usually made up of a hereditary nobility
4: the aggregate of those believed to be superior​

Exactly as I said. Government by those who consider themselves superior.

In other words, rule by liberals?

If they're the majority.

 

[PMZ]

Wrong, nimrod. All politicians think they are superior, so that characteristic doesn't distinguish aristocracy from any other form of government. The explanation I gave is correct.



Liberals believe it more than anyone.



That's true enough, but it has nothing to do with your delusions. The Founders tried to create a free country. The Dims are turning it into a socialist tyranny.

Your raisin sized gonads are the only things keeping you here. Man up and solve your problem. Be free rather than whining.

When are you going to "man up" and move to Cuba? It is your ideal society, is it not?

Not at all. I support America. As it is. Not as I wish it was.

 

[bripat9643]

Why is it people believe they have a right to other people's property?
Where is it written in law that someone has a right to property that they did not earn?

It's written in the same place where 4 or 5 people that never worked a day in their lives can have more wealth than the bottom 130 million people in this country.

There is no such place. These 4-5 people you refer to worked 16 hours a day for their entire lives. They aren't trust fund babies, and they don't have near as much money as you claim. They also provide jobs for hundreds of thousands of people.

You're just an envious prehensile moron.

This is a country where politicians promise anything to their base during election season but in reality they're for sale to the wealthiest among us, which will get worse because of the supremes freeing up money that corporations can use to influence politics and elections. This ungodly inequality of wealth could be slowly changed by taxpayer only funded elections.

So you prefer a situation where politicians promise anything to the rabble, and then feel free to deliver on their promises?

Yeah, we know you do. That's what civilized people call "mob rule" and "organized plunder." You would like to remove all obstacles to the process, right?

 

[bripat9643]

Your raisin sized gonads are the only things keeping you here. Man up and solve your problem. Be free rather than whining.

When are you going to "man up" and move to Cuba? It is your ideal society, is it not?

Not at all. I support America. As it is. Not as I wish it was.

So you support DOM?

 

[PMZ]

A "thug" is someone who uses force to take your stuff or make you do what he wants. That's a perfect description of a liberal, or a commie like you.

Nazis like you were notorious thugs. Business people who screw employees, suppliers, customers and their country are thugs to me and heroes to you.

When have I ever used force to take anyone's stuff or make them do what I want?

I have no idea.

If it isn't illegal, what does this "screwing" consist of? What form of force is used? Please explain.

You're one of the ones that keep Congress busy. How? You keep thinking up ways that are not yet illegal but still allow you to screw somebody.

 

[Londoner]

How much does it cost the taxpayer to stabilize Exxon's oil fields in the middle east? How much does an advanced industrial infrastructure cost? How many subsidies and bailouts do corporations draw from the state? How much technology from the Cold War Pentagon and Space Program was converted into highly profitable commercial applications? How much has the telecom sector benefited from publicly subsidized and developed satellite technology? How much does it cost to run the Patent System, where the nanny state protects the investments of private corporations? What are the law enforcement costs to protect private property and private transactions? What is the public cost of running credit markets so that consumers can buy the products sold by the private sector? How much did government subsidize Boeing and commercial aviation? What do corporations get for their trillions of dollars in annual lobbying disbursements? How many people does the Hoover Dam and Colorado River support? Who paid to develop these things? Why are Republicans voters incapable of answering any of these questions? Why do Republicans draw so much loyal support from people who do not have a college education? Did jesus ride a dinosaur? Why can't George W Bush be blamed for destroying the housing and financial sectors, both of which happened on his watch? Why do Republican voters know nothing about Medicare Part D?

Can you effectively address the fairness of the tax rate without being able to itemize what the wealthy get from government?

(God help us.)

 

[PMZ]

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Why is it people believe they have a right to other people's property?
Where is it written in law that someone has a right to property that they did not earn?

It's written in the same place where 4 or 5 people that never worked a day in their lives can have more wealth than the bottom 130 million people in this country.

There is no such place. These 4-5 people you refer to worked 16 hours a day for their entire lives. They aren't trust fund babies, and they don't have near as much money as you claim. They also provide jobs for hundreds of thousands of people.

You're just an envious prehensile moron.

This is a country where politicians promise anything to their base during election season but in reality they're for sale to the wealthiest among us, which will get worse because of the supremes freeing up money that corporations can use to influence politics and elections. This ungodly inequality of wealth could be slowly changed by taxpayer only funded elections.

So you prefer a situation where politicians promise anything to the rabble, and then feel free to deliver on their promises?

Yeah, we know you do. That's what civilized people call "mob rule" and "organized plunder." You would like to remove all obstacles to the process, right?

You think that the poor need to support the wealthy. Why? Because anyone who's wealthy is superior?

That's not my experience. Mostly they are exactly like you. Assholes full of self importance.

I like workers better.

 

[PMZ]

When are you going to "man up" and move to Cuba? It is your ideal society, is it not?

Not at all. I support America. As it is. Not as I wish it was.

So you support DOM?

Don't know DOM.

 

[PMZ]

Why is it people believe they have a right to other people's property?
Where is it written in law that someone has a right to property that they did not earn?

It's written in the same place where 4 or 5 people that never worked a day in their lives can have more wealth than the bottom 130 million people in this country.

There is no such place. These 4-5 people you refer to worked 16 hours a day for their entire lives. They aren't trust fund babies, and they don't have near as much money as you claim. They also provide jobs for hundreds of thousands of people.

You're just an envious prehensile moron.

This is a country where politicians promise anything to their base during election season but in reality they're for sale to the wealthiest among us, which will get worse because of the supremes freeing up money that corporations can use to influence politics and elections. This ungodly inequality of wealth could be slowly changed by taxpayer only funded elections.

So you prefer a situation where politicians promise anything to the rabble, and then feel free to deliver on their promises?

Yeah, we know you do. That's what civilized people call "mob rule" and "organized plunder." You would like to remove all obstacles to the process, right?

I'd like to remove all obstacles to democracy. Government of, by, and for we, the people.

 

[bripat9643]

Nazis like you were notorious thugs. Business people who screw employees, suppliers, customers and their country are thugs to me and heroes to you.

When have I ever used force to take anyone's stuff or make them do what I want?

I have no idea.

If it isn't illegal, what does this "screwing" consist of? What form of force is used? Please explain.

You're one of the ones that keep Congress busy. How? You keep thinking up ways that are not yet illegal but still allow you to screw somebody.

I see. So you can't list a single example of how this legal "screwing" occurs. I didn't think you could.

 

[bripat9643]

How much does it cost the taxpayer to stabilize Exxon's oil fields in the middle east?

Exxon doesn't have any oil fields in the Middle East, dolt. The oil fields are all owned by the governments of the countries where they are located. Right out of the starting gate you only manage to demonstrate that you're an ignoramus.

How much does an advanced industrial infrastructure cost? How many subsidies and bailouts do corporations draw from the state?

That industrial infrastructure provides the state's revenue, dolt. Where do you think the state gets the money it spends?

How much technology from the Cold War Pentagon and Space Program was converted into highly profitable commercial applications. How much has the telecom sector benefited from publicly subsidized and developed satellite technology?

Not 1/100 of what all that cost the taxpayers.

How much does it cost to run the Patent System, where the nanny state protects the investments of private corporations?

Almost nothing.

What are the law enforcement costs to protect private property and private transactions?

Again, almost nothing.

What is the public cost of running credit markets so that consumers can buy from the products sold by the private sector?

Private companies run credit markets. The government doesn't spend a dime. In fact, private credit markets allow the government to borrow trillions of dollars every year.

How much did government subsidize Boeing and commercial aviation?

You've already covered that issue, moron.

Yada, yada, yada . . . . .

The remainder ignored as more of the same horseshit.

Can you effectively address the fairness of the tax rate without being able to itemize what the wealthy get from government.

Most of the money government spends benefits the poor and the middle class. The wealthy don't need 99% of what government provides.

(God help us.)

Yes, God save us from sheer deliberate ignorance such as yours.