Politics, MAGA and Evangelicals

[Mac1958]

If you're one of the many (like me) who thinks that much of America's Christian population has sold its soul to a con man, here's a really interesting interview -- and one really fascinating point.

Tim Alberta is a devout Christian who has been so troubled by this that he has written a book on the topic. The interview is almost 36 minutes, but there is one moment where I think he makes a very interesting (and even fair, kind of) point. This doesn't absolve the obvious dishonesty and rank hypocrisy that we see, but at least it explains it in a way:

At 11:46: "For a lot of these people who are panicked, who are just stricken with fear about the culture changing so quickly and the country turning on Christianity, and that their faith is in the crosshairs and one day they're going to be persecuted for their faith in this country -- a lot of folks believe that -- they think the barbarians are at the gates, and so they need a barbarian to defend them. To protect them.

"And so, they look at Trump, and the behavior and the rhetoric, and in some sense, because he is not bound by biblical teachings, not bound by biblical virtues, he is free to fight for them in ways that no good Christian ever would".

Holy crap, that's interesting. MAGA followers by and large and not very good at articulating their reasoning, and he does a very good job here. Again, it doesn't explain away many of the behaviors, but at least there is some reasoning here to grab on to.

 

[JoeB131]

Holy crap, that's interesting. MAGA followers by and large and not very good at articulating their reasoning, and he does a very good job here. Again, it doesn't explain away many of the behaviors, but at least there is some reasoning here to grab on to.

Yawn, another Stormy Mac thread about how we aren't sopping to the whining of white people enough.

Again, the reason why Trump won in 2016 is because too many self-important assholes like you voted third party.

Evangelicals voted at the same percentages for Trump they did for Romney, McCain and Bush.

 

[Curried Goats]

If you're one of the many (like me) who thinks that much of America's Christian population has sold its soul to a con man, here's a really interesting interview -- and one really fascinating point.

Tim Alberta is a devout Christian who has been so troubled by this that he has written a book on the topic. The interview is almost 36 minutes, but there is one moment where I think he makes a very interesting (and even fair, kind of) point. This doesn't absolve the obvious dishonesty and rank hypocrisy that we see, but at least it explains it in a way:

At 11:46: "For a lot of these people who are panicked, who are just stricken with fear about the culture changing so quickly and the country turning on Christianity, and that their faith is in the crosshairs and one day they're going to be persecuted for their faith in this country -- a lot of folks believe that -- they think the barbarians are at the gates, and so they need a barbarian to defend them. To protect them.

"And so, they look at Trump, and the behavior and the rhetoric, and in some sense, because he is not bound by biblical teachings, not bound by biblical virtues, he is free to fight for them in ways that no good Christian ever would".

Holy crap, that's interesting. MAGA followers by and large and not very good at articulating their reasoning, and he does a very good job here. Again, it doesn't explain away many of the behaviors, but at least there is some reasoning here to grab on to.

They imagine that Mac because they're projecting their barbarism on to others. Are you just now realizing this?

 

[rightwinger]

Used to be a evangelicals insisted on a moral code for the candidates they support.
Good family values, church goer, temperate in speech and actions.

Now they are willing to sell out their moral code as long as a candidate hates gays, non-Christian’s and wants to ban abortion

 

[Votto]

If you're one of the many (like me) who thinks that much of America's Christian population has sold its soul to a con man, here's a really interesting interview -- and one really fascinating point.

Tim Alberta is a devout Christian who has been so troubled by this that he has written a book on the topic. The interview is almost 36 minutes, but there is one moment where I think he makes a very interesting (and even fair, kind of) point. This doesn't absolve the obvious dishonesty and rank hypocrisy that we see, but at least it explains it in a way:

At 11:46: "For a lot of these people who are panicked, who are just stricken with fear about the culture changing so quickly and the country turning on Christianity, and that their faith is in the crosshairs and one day they're going to be persecuted for their faith in this country -- a lot of folks believe that -- they think the barbarians are at the gates, and so they need a barbarian to defend them. To protect them.

"And so, they look at Trump, and the behavior and the rhetoric, and in some sense, because he is not bound by biblical teachings, not bound by biblical virtues, he is free to fight for them in ways that no good Christian ever would".

Holy crap, that's interesting. MAGA followers by and large and not very good at articulating their reasoning, and he does a very good job here. Again, it doesn't explain away many of the behaviors, but at least there is some reasoning here to grab on to.

So now, before voting for a candidate you must sell your soul to them?

Should we vote using a pen full of blood next time?

 

[Mac1958]

Used to be a evangelicals insisted on a moral code for the candidates they support.
Good family values, church goer, temperate in speech and actions.
Now they are willing to sell out their moral code as long as a candidate hates gays, non-Christian’s and wants to ban abortion

Yep, they just gave up and handed things over to a thug.

As bad as that is, it's worse that they just won't admit it.

 

[SweetSue92]

If you're one of the many (like me) who thinks that much of America's Christian population has sold its soul to a con man, here's a really interesting interview -- and one really fascinating point.

Tim Alberta is a devout Christian who has been so troubled by this that he has written a book on the topic. The interview is almost 36 minutes, but there is one moment where I think he makes a very interesting (and even fair, kind of) point. This doesn't absolve the obvious dishonesty and rank hypocrisy that we see, but at least it explains it in a way:

At 11:46: "For a lot of these people who are panicked, who are just stricken with fear about the culture changing so quickly and the country turning on Christianity, and that their faith is in the crosshairs and one day they're going to be persecuted for their faith in this country -- a lot of folks believe that -- they think the barbarians are at the gates, and so they need a barbarian to defend them. To protect them.

"And so, they look at Trump, and the behavior and the rhetoric, and in some sense, because he is not bound by biblical teachings, not bound by biblical virtues, he is free to fight for them in ways that no good Christian ever would".

Holy crap, that's interesting. MAGA followers by and large and not very good at articulating their reasoning, and he does a very good job here. Again, it doesn't explain away many of the behaviors, but at least there is some reasoning here to grab on to.

You Mac. You'd be the barbarian but you're not strong enough. So you make people who are not enemies, enemies, because it makes you feel better.

My gosh, how much bandwidth have you taken up on this site doing exactly that?

 

[Stormy Daniels]

^^^ Mac-a-Doodle must have really ODed on his steroidal TDS pills again.

Mac, you were saying something about these guys not being able to articulate themselves well?

 

[JoeB131]

You Mac. You'd be the barbarian but you're not strong enough. So you make people who are not enemies, enemies, because it makes you feel better.

My gosh, how much bandwidth have you taken up on this site doing exactly that?

Not as much as you do hating on people who don't share your Bronze Age superstitions, Islamophobic Twat.

 

[Arlette]

If you're one of the many (like me) who thinks that much of America's Christian population has sold its soul to a con man, here's a really interesting interview -- and one really fascinating point.

Tim Alberta is a devout Christian who has been so troubled by this that he has written a book on the topic. The interview is almost 36 minutes, but there is one moment where I think he makes a very interesting (and even fair, kind of) point. This doesn't absolve the obvious dishonesty and rank hypocrisy that we see, but at least it explains it in a way:

At 11:46: "For a lot of these people who are panicked, who are just stricken with fear about the culture changing so quickly and the country turning on Christianity, and that their faith is in the crosshairs and one day they're going to be persecuted for their faith in this country -- a lot of folks believe that -- they think the barbarians are at the gates, and so they need a barbarian to defend them. To protect them.

"And so, they look at Trump, and the behavior and the rhetoric, and in some sense, because he is not bound by biblical teachings, not bound by biblical virtues, he is free to fight for them in ways that no good Christian ever would".

Holy crap, that's interesting. MAGA followers by and large and not very good at articulating their reasoning, and he does a very good job here. Again, it doesn't explain away many of the behaviors, but at least there is some reasoning here to grab on to.

Who's at the gates threatening Christians? Trans kids? Women who think they own their destiny?

 

[toobfreak]

Yep, they just gave up and handed things over to a thug.

Trump's an AMAZING guy! First person in history where no one in his administration would listen to him,
no one in congress would do what he wanted, everyone in DC spied on his every move,
snitched on him, ratted him out and wiretapped him,
yet despite all that, he somehow
still managed to
be a
THUG.


Quick, I want whatever the OP is smoking.

 

[Mac1958]

Mac, you were saying something about these guys not being able to articulate themselves well?

Yep, there ya go. That's a vast majority of their "communication", because that's what they absorb from talk radio and the internet.

Ask for some independent thought, and you'd better not hold your breath.

 

[toobfreak]

MAC is so right, that is why NO ONE agrees with him.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

"And so, they look at Trump, and the behavior and the rhetoric, and in some sense, because he is not bound by biblical teachings, not bound by biblical virtues, he is free to fight for them in ways that no good Christian ever would".

You know what else this sounds like? When the Romans would choose someone not bound by republicanism to protect the republic. It all ties in, doesn't it?

 

[mudwhistle]

If you're one of the many (like me) who thinks that much of America's Christian population has sold its soul to a con man, here's a really interesting interview -- and one really fascinating point.

Tim Alberta is a devout Christian who has been so troubled by this that he has written a book on the topic. The interview is almost 36 minutes, but there is one moment where I think he makes a very interesting (and even fair, kind of) point. This doesn't absolve the obvious dishonesty and rank hypocrisy that we see, but at least it explains it in a way:

At 11:46: "For a lot of these people who are panicked, who are just stricken with fear about the culture changing so quickly and the country turning on Christianity, and that their faith is in the crosshairs and one day they're going to be persecuted for their faith in this country -- a lot of folks believe that -- they think the barbarians are at the gates, and so they need a barbarian to defend them. To protect them.

"And so, they look at Trump, and the behavior and the rhetoric, and in some sense, because he is not bound by biblical teachings, not bound by biblical virtues, he is free to fight for them in ways that no good Christian ever would".

Holy crap, that's interesting. MAGA followers by and large and not very good at articulating their reasoning, and he does a very good job here. Again, it doesn't explain away many of the behaviors, but at least there is some reasoning here to grab on to.

Yeah....Christians are the threat.....not communists.

Right, you silly schmuck?

 

[rightwinger]

Yep, they just gave up and handed things over to a thug.

As bad as that is, it's worse that they just won't admit it.

The thing is….Trump is not the only Republican who hates gays, Muslims and wants to ban abortion
Almost every one does

But they choose to throw their support to a vulgar, lying womanizer who pretends to be Christian

 

[toobfreak]

Yep, there ya go. That's a vast majority of their "communication", because that's what they absorb from talk radio and the internet.

Just trying to keep it down to a level where you can grasp the conversation, Mac-A-Doodle!

Ask for some independent thought, and you'd better not hold your breath.

As usual, Mac gives us his rendition of leftist sheepdip group-think saying the same thing for the 20,000th time while lecturing OTHERS on independent thought.

 

[JoeB131]

Like all Vichy Mac threads, he tries to pretend this is a new phenomenon.

It isn't

The "Unholy Alliance" of the religious right goes back to Richard Nixon inviting Billy Graham to the White House. Are you really trying to argue THOSE evangelicals didn't know there was a reason they called him "Tricky Dick"?

It continued on with Ronald Reagan playing footsie with Jerry Falwell and his ilk. Again, this was the first president to be divorced and he lived that "Hollywood lifestyle", but he adhered to the things they adhered to and told them what they want to hear.

The Evangelicals hated George H. Bush because they didn't think he was one of them, so Pappy put a Dan Quayle on the ticket to appeal to them. Dubya "doubled down" on the sucking up to these people.

McCain put Caribou Barbie on the ticket to appeal to these people. Understandably, McCain was a compromise candidate after Huckabee was unacceptable to the Wall Street Crowd, and Mitt Romney was unacceptable to the Evangelicals because he was a Mormon Cultist.

THEN OH MY GOD, THERE'S A NEGRO IN THE WHITE HOUSE! All the Evangelicals who previously opposed Romney for being a Mormon suddenly came to love him. He could have been sacrificing virgins to C'Thulhu to release the Great Old Ones, and the Evangelicals wouldn't care. They just hated Obama that much.

The only thing that is different with Trump is that Trump's massive ego rules out any sensible governance. All those previous presidents didn't appoint religious fanatics to the courts and agencies because that would be stupid. But for Trump, adulation is a drug. And he gets adulation when he puts people like Kavanaugh and Barrett on the courts.

 

[JoeB131]

Trump's an AMAZING guy! First person in history where no one in his administration would listen to him,
no one in congress would do what he wanted, everyone in DC spied on his every move,
snitched on him, ratted him out and wiretapped him,
yet despite all that, he somehow
still managed to
be a
THUG.

Has it occurred to you that if all these otherwise sensible people knew Trump was a bad idea... he was a bad idea.

 

[Arlette]

Trump's an AMAZING guy! First person in history where no one in his administration would listen to him,
no one in congress would do what he wanted, everyone in DC spied on his every move,
snitched on him, ratted him out and wiretapped him,
yet despite all that, he somehow
still managed to
be a
THUG.


Quick, I want whatever the OP is smoking.

The best thing about Trump is that he exposed Evangelicals for what they really are. Cheap culture warriors