Politicians are not responsible for the actions of extremist "followers".

[gmeyers1944]

Politicians are not responsible for the actions of extremist "followers". This is true for all politicians. The most obvious one is that President Trump is not responsible for the people who invaded the Capitol Building on January 6, 2021. Some of those people were probably just troublemakers.

Democrats can also be demonized by the actions of supporters. James Hodgkinson, who shot Congressman Steve Scalise on June 14, 2017, at a baseball practice was a supporter of Bernie Sanders. President Trump is not responsible for January 6, 2021, and Bernie Sanders is not responsible for June 14, 2017. All kinds of extremists can "support" politicians who would never approve of the actions that they took.

 

[toobfreak]

Politicians are not responsible for the actions of extremist "followers". This is true for all politicians. The most obvious one is that President Trump is not responsible for the people who invaded the Capitol Building on January 6, 2021. Some of those people were probably just troublemakers.

Democrats can also be demonized by the actions of supporters. James Hodgkinson, who shot Congressman Steve Scalise on June 14, 2017, at a baseball practice was a supporter of Bernie Sanders. President Trump is not responsible for January 6, 2021, and Bernie Sanders is not responsible for June 14, 2017. All kinds of extremists can "support" politicians who would never approve of the actions that they took.

It isn't "extremism" to simply want a government of the very laws which it is sworn to uphold conduct honest and aboveboard elections or to break into former president's homes while no one is home to take whatever they want with no explanation why.

 

[Manonthestreet]

I would disagree where BLM is concerned. Vid of Justice dept officials at the riots in the background

 

[multivita-man]

When the ISIS threat started emerging globally in 2014-15, one of the first things governments did was to pressure YouTube, Google, Twitter, and others to take down their terroristic propaganda. Why? Because extremist thoughts and words presage extremist violence.

If Donald Trump knew that there were armed extremists at the Capitol on January 6th - and it seems plausible that he did - then he's very much responsible for encouraging them. That's not the same as saying he's responsible for their actions, but he's responsible for his actions.

People influence each other, for good and bad. If you have a friend who's planning to shoot up his office tomorrow morning because he's pissed off about his job, you have a moral and even a legal responsibility to intervene and either talk him out of it or go to the cops. You sure as hell shouldn't encourage him.

 

[multivita-man]

It isn't "extremism" to simply want a government of the very laws which it is sworn to uphold conduct honest and aboveboard elections or to break into former president's homes while no one is home to take whatever they want with no explanation why.

What the Christ are you talking about?

 

[ColonelAngus]

When the left uses inflammatory rhetoric and then a Bernie Bro nearly murders Steve Scalise….I blame every Dem.

Is that how it works?

 

[Hossfly]

When the ISIS threat started emerging globally in 2014-15, one of the first things governments did was to pressure YouTube, Google, Twitter, and others to take down their terroristic propaganda. Why? Because extremist thoughts and words presage extremist violence.

If Donald Trump knew that there were armed extremists at the Capitol on January 6th - and it seems plausible that he did - then he's very much responsible for encouraging them. That's not the same as saying he's responsible for their actions, but he's responsible for his actions.

People influence each other, for good and bad. If you have a friend who's planning to shoot up his office tomorrow morning because he's pissed off about his job, you have a moral and even a legal responsibility to intervene and either talk him out of it or go to the cops. You sure as hell shouldn't encourage him.

Did you hear Trump's speech on Jan 6? I didn't think so.

 

[White 6]

Politicians are not responsible for the actions of extremist "followers". This is true for all politicians. The most obvious one is that President Trump is not responsible for the people who invaded the Capitol Building on January 6, 2021. Some of those people were probably just troublemakers.

Democrats can also be demonized by the actions of supporters. James Hodgkinson, who shot Congressman Steve Scalise on June 14, 2017, at a baseball practice was a supporter of Bernie Sanders. President Trump is not responsible for January 6, 2021, and Bernie Sanders is not responsible for June 14, 2017. All kinds of extremists can "support" politicians who would never approve of the actions that they took.

Bullshit. Politicians on both side bear responsibility for the violent actions of their followers and supporters, if their rhetoric gave acceptance, encouragement or cover, whether talking about Trump with Jan 6 or the acceptance of the white nationalist, and also all Democrat politicians involved in defund, supporting of protests that turned into lawless riots (including the assholes who would not do what it took to put them down), and the whole fkn mess of violent bullshit seen across our land. We may only prosecute the actual low level perps, but we are looking at the least statesmanlike statesmen in the almost 68 years, I have been alive, and the bastards raise money on it, good for their business, the business of politics. That business no longer doing the best for the people, but always the best for themselves. Of course, they are responsible.

 

[konradv]

Politicians are not responsible for the actions of extremist "followers". This is true for all politicians. The most obvious one is that President Trump is not responsible for the people who invaded the Capitol Building on January 6, 2021. Some of those people were probably just troublemakers.

Democrats can also be demonized by the actions of supporters. James Hodgkinson, who shot Congressman Steve Scalise on June 14, 2017, at a baseball practice was a supporter of Bernie Sanders. President Trump is not responsible for January 6, 2021, and Bernie Sanders is not responsible for June 14, 2017. All kinds of extremists can "support" politicians who would never approve of the actions that they took.

There’s a clear difference between inciting a crowd and the actions of a lone wolf. Trump was involved in the former and, yes, responsible.

 

[multivita-man]

Did you hear Trump's speech on Jan 6? I didn't think so.

I've seen the money quotes numerous times, which was all I needed to see. I don't need to watch the entirety of his bloviating to get the gist of what he said.

Have you watched the January 6th Committee hearings? I didn't think so.

 

[multivita-man]

When the left uses inflammatory rhetoric and then a Bernie Bro nearly murders Steve Scalise….I blame every Dem.

Said Bernie Bro was universally condemned.

 

[okfine]

Politicians are not responsible for the actions of extremist "followers". This is true for all politicians. The most obvious one is that President Trump is not responsible for the people who invaded the Capitol Building on January 6, 2021. Some of those people were probably just troublemakers.

Democrats can also be demonized by the actions of supporters. James Hodgkinson, who shot Congressman Steve Scalise on June 14, 2017, at a baseball practice was a supporter of Bernie Sanders. President Trump is not responsible for January 6, 2021, and Bernie Sanders is not responsible for June 14, 2017. All kinds of extremists can "support" politicians who would never approve of the actions that they took.

The idiot who attacked the FBI is dead because of rhetoric. That same idiot was posting on Truth Social, which by the way, belongs to Donald Trump.

"In the minutes after an armed man in body armor tried to breach an FBI field office in Cincinnati, an account with the suspect’s name, Ricky Shiffer, posted to former president Donald Trump’s social network, Truth Social: “If you don’t hear from me, it is true I tried attacking the F.B.I.”

"A review of the Shiffer account’s Truth Social activity showed he had posted dozens of times a day to the site, replying to pro-Trump influencers, attacking the government and suggesting violence was the most important way true Trump believers could defend the former president"

So tell us why that type of talk is allowed and supported on "politician" and "troublemaker" Trump's site and why he isn't "responsible"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/08/12/shiffer-trump-truth-social-fan/

 

[ColonelAngus]

Said Bernie Bro was universally condemned.

Universally?

You sure?

You got Maxine Waters condemning it?

 

[multivita-man]

Universally?

You sure?

You got Maxine Waters condemning it?

Did she encourage it? Is she obligated to say anything?

 

[ColonelAngus]

Did she encourage it? Is she obligated to say anything?

The poster said it was univerally condemned. Waters encouraged aggressive actions against anyone who supported Trump.

You know the meaning of “universally”?

The poster said it was “UNIVERSALLY CONDEMNED”. Why are you backtracking for the other poster?

 

[multivita-man]

The poster said it was univerally condemned. Waters encouraged aggressive actions against anyone who supported Trump.

You know the meaning of “universally”?

The poster said it was “UNIVERSALLY CONDEMNED”. Why are you backtracking for the other poster?

As in nobody equivocated with "Very good people, on both sides."

Democrats aren't fantasizing about civil war and watering the tree of liberty with blood.

 

[whitehall]

A political party isn't responsible for extremists unless they are on the payroll. If evidence is correct that the FBI engineered the violent end of Jan 6 it means that democrats are responsible for extremists.

 

[ColonelAngus]

As in nobody equivocated with "Very good people, on both sides."

Democrats aren't fantasizing about civil war and watering the tree of liberty with blood.

Who said the quote you posted?

 

[multivita-man]

Who said the quote you posted?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/08/very-fine-people-charlottesville-who-were-they-2/

You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides.

Right, torch-bearing fascists reenacting Triumph of the Will.

"Very fine people."

 

[ColonelAngus]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/08/very-fine-people-charlottesville-who-were-they-2/

Right, torch-bearing fascists reenacting Triumph of the Will.

"Very fine people."

The issue of tearing down statues was the discussion.

So what is your problem with Trump’s entire speech there?