Political history being re wrote as we watch

[JRK]

It is easy to debunk with 1/2 of the story boo
Saddam buried fighter jets Boo, is this a manned delivary tool?
any way Boo I have never tried to de bunk what we found, all I have ever done is offer what the whole story is, not the story that was told after 3-2003
and even some of that never gets told

You do not offer the whole story. You never answer the question. Did we find the WMD programs or stockpiles the Bush Administration claimed Iraq had?

Did Saddam ever comply with The UN reolutions?
where is the 6000 munitions Saddam claimed he had we have never found?
You and both know that those items were never found to the level EVERYBODY said there was

This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others RightWingNews.com :: Archives

Now what?

 

[JakeStarkey]

I truly love how you pseudo's ignore that which does not agree with you.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...eing-re-wrote-as-we-watch-21.html#post4321868

Did they ever find the huge stockpile of newly produced WMD that the Bush Administration claimed was a dire threat to the worlds remaining superpower?

This si the largest lie of all
1) the UN resolution was for Saddam to resolve the issue without fault. 10 years later there was so much that was still not known
2) the 500 junk missiles proves that. no resolution mandated the shape or age of the items Saddam was to document and destroy. there are 6000 still un accounted for per HIS CLAIM and it is the very reaon we invaded
3) GWB claimed nothing, the UN made those claims based on what Saddam claimed as did many others, including Kerry 1-2003. GWB, Kerry, every-one was repeating what the UN had documented from 1991

Show us the authority the USA had from the UN to wage war on its behalf or its resolutions.

You can't. End of your OP. You fail.

 

[BlindBoo]

You do not offer the whole story. You never answer the question. Did we find the WMD programs or stockpiles the Bush Administration claimed Iraq had?

Did Saddam ever comply with The UN reolutions?
where is the 6000 munitions Saddam claimed he had we have never found?
You and both know that those items were never found to the level EVERYBODY said there was

This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others RightWingNews.com :: Archives

Now what?

Do you wish to invade and occupy every nation that doesn't conform the UN Resolutions?

Everybody didn't give the order invade. President Bush did. He made the claims. He made the decision after the head of the CIA told him point blank that there was credible evidence that Iraq had no new WMD programs. That information was never passed on to members of Congress before they voted on the authorization.

There was no level of new chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons found, none.

Anything else?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Progressive neo-con right wingers like JRK are war mongers, boo, all the time. They are war criminals looking to wage offensive warfare, much like fascists, for territory or influence or plunder or whatever. They are part of Dick Cheney's dark view of humanity.

 

[JRK]

Did Saddam ever comply with The UN reolutions?
where is the 6000 munitions Saddam claimed he had we have never found?
You and both know that those items were never found to the level EVERYBODY said there was

This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others RightWingNews.com :: Archives

Now what?

Do you wish to invade and occupy every nation that doesn't conform the UN Resolutions?

Everybody didn't give the order invade. President Bush did. He made the claims. He made the decision after the head of the CIA told him point blank that there was credible evidence that Iraq had no new WMD programs. That information was never passed on to members of Congress before they voted on the authorization.

There was no level of new chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons found, none.

Anything else?

every nation that has a Saddam and is stupid enough to give the world a reason to put the mandates on them the UN did after Kuwait
sure

The US congress gave the order also. I just provided for you dem. congressmen made the same conclusions on the intel we had as GWB
By the way, why did you ignore that

 

[JakeStarkey]

JRK continues to ignore that the UN gave the US no mandate to enforce UN resolution 1441.

Bush committed pre-emptive offensive war.

 

[idb]

Do you wish to invade and occupy every nation that doesn't conform the UN Resolutions?

Everybody didn't give the order invade. President Bush did. He made the claims. He made the decision after the head of the CIA told him point blank that there was credible evidence that Iraq had no new WMD programs. That information was never passed on to members of Congress before they voted on the authorization.

There was no level of new chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons found, none.

Anything else?

every nation that has a Saddam and is stupid enough to give the world a reason to put the mandates on them the UN did after Kuwait
sure

The US congress gave the order also. I just provided for you dem. congressmen made the same conclusions on the intel we had as GWB
By the way, why did you ignore that

As I understand it there are way more UN resolutions that Israel has failed to comply with, when are you suggesting that the US invade?

 

[Douger]

5% UE
deficits in the 100 billions with 2 war, 7 major hurricanes, 2 recessions and 9-11
won Iraq
removed Saddam

And the left wing media still are trying to claim GWB was one of the worst. What does this make BHO?

Seriously

Ta Daaaaaaah.

 

[JRK]

every nation that has a Saddam and is stupid enough to give the world a reason to put the mandates on them the UN did after Kuwait
sure

The US congress gave the order also. I just provided for you dem. congressmen made the same conclusions on the intel we had as GWB
By the way, why did you ignore that

As I understand it there are way more UN resolutions that Israel has failed to comply with, when are you suggesting that the US invade?

name them please
Also I would think taking scud missile attacks killing innocent people during the Iraq war makes me wonder why you would defend Saddam in this manner, do not waste you breath saying your not defending Saddam, you are
Trying to create a tie that one is the same as the other is stupid, and a waste of our time

 

[JakeStarkey]

The concept is your selective progressive neo-con reasoning of why it is OK to attack Iraq and not Israel.

The USA had no internationally legal mandate to use UN resolutions to attack Iraq. When it did so, it turned the USA into an aggressor nation with its leadership criminally culpable for war crimes.

 

[JRK]

The concept is your selective progressive neo-con reasoning of why it is OK to attack Iraq and not Israel.

The USA had no internationally legal mandate to use UN resolutions to attack Iraq. When it did so, it turned the USA into an aggressor nation with its leadership criminally culpable for war crimes.

Jake
thats the 1000th time. We know your a supporter of Saddam and his murdering/weapon/torture way he run his country. GIVE IT A REST

 

[JakeStarkey]

JRK makes a terrible accusation without any proof.

Why?

Because his OP was fail from page one, and now he resorts to ad hom attacks.

JRK is such a loser.

 

[JRK]

JRK makes a terrible accusation without any proof.

Why?

Because his OP was fail from page one, and now he resorts to ad hom attacks.

JRK is such a loser.

Jake do you support the removal of Saddam ot do you not?
ignoring that question will be the same as stating you suported Saddam remaing in power

now you want proof people? here we go

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are trying the ploy of affirmative silence. The British crown used it against Thomas More to try and cut off his head. So, I will use it as well in the future with you.

Saddam was going to fall sooner or later, and I would support that fall.

Now do you support pre-emptive wars against enemies of the United States, whether they are a danger to the United States or not? Your refusal to answer will be taken as "yes" you do.

Thank you for doing this. You are not going to be able to deflect at all in this ensuing dialogue.

 

[JRK]

You are trying the ploy of affirmative silence. The British crown used it against Thomas More to try and cut off his head. So, I will use it as well in the future with you.

Saddam was going to fall sooner or later, and I would support that fall.

Now do you support pre-emptive wars against enemies of the United States, whether they are a danger to the United States or not? Your refusal to answer will be taken as "yes" you do.

Thank you for doing this. You are not going to be able to deflect at all in this ensuing dialogue.

your on ignore dude
you think the way you have talked to me I owe you anything?
by the way, the pre- emptive war was Nam, no other
Iraq was not, It was an Iraqi who bombed te WTC in 93 and ignored UN mandates that were a condition of surrender to US in 1991
do not waste your time Jake, no-one cares what you say

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

JRK makes a terrible accusation without any proof.

Why?

Because his OP was fail from page one, and now he resorts to ad hom attacks.

JRK is such a loser.

Perhaps you should provide some proof behind YOUR statements, JakeStarkey, that would be a good place to start. Then perhaps we can all finally move on and engage into a more meaningful discussion on this thread.

 

[JakeStarkey]

All of your evidence, JRK, has been debunked repeatedly by objective, solid evidence.

The day of the neo-con is over, and the night comes on when it is hunted down and extinguished by other, more noble political philsophies.

Go into the night raging, as political extinction comes.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

All of your evidence, JRK, has been debunked repeatedly by objective, solid evidence.

-snip-

Oh really? Since when did YOU start supplying facts? I must have missed something here, can you give me a for instance? I've gone back 10 pages and I've yet to find any, except for some "name calling" perhaps? Hardly the evidence I've been looking for. Is that why you continue to avoid my questions with empty insults?

 

[JakeStarkey]

All of your evidence, JRK, has been debunked repeatedly by objective, solid evidence.-snip-

Oh really? SNIP

Really! The OP has been debunked over and over again by real honest-to-goodness evidence. Go back and read it you want, but don't think you have any reason for the rest of us to run and get it for you if you have not been reading. If you have been reading, and you say it isn't there, then you are a liar. Name calling; you ask about name calling?

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

All of your evidence, JRK, has been debunked repeatedly by objective, solid evidence.-snip-

Oh really? SNIP

Really! The OP has been debunked over and over again by real honest-to-goodness evidence. Go back and read it you want, but don't think you have any reason for the rest of us to run and get it for you if you have not been reading. If you have been reading, and you say it isn't there, then you are a liar. Name calling; you ask about name calling?

Yes you are very good at supplying us with your own ideological "opinion" on this thread, however I'll say it again, when did YOU JakeStarkey start supplying facts? Let me help you to understand and make it clear, so we are both on the same page:


FACT: a piece of information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article.


Do you think in your next response, you can give me a 'for instance' JakeStarkey when you provided us with any facts? (you know something with a "link" attached perhaps?) Do you want to simply try to dodge this question again? . . . . or is this all that's really left:

All you will do is demonstrate that progressive right wing neo-con philosophy is starkly barren and self-defeating.

Seriously.

The whole progressive neo-con right wing revisionism is in shambles.

You are the one lying about the evidence and narrative, JRK. Your nonsense has been repeatedly debunked and you immorally keep right along with your hands over your ears as you sing "la la la".

JRK contineus to lie.

Yes, we all see what JRK's posting only part of the truth is something "anyone would see" for what it is, distortion of the truth.

JRK goes through life trying to make bad things (Iraq War) and bad people (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, etc) as good things.

That narrative depends (1) on the whole story not 50%, and (2) an interpretation twisted to the facts.

JRK does nothing of the sort, knows he does nothing of the sort, and then whines when others properly slap him down.

JRK, when you are correctly rebutted and your material debunked, you whine that it is character assassination.

You pull this nonsense in an university classroom and you would be flunked and punked.

The bushie leaders do not agree with you, JRK, on the signficance of what you are posting here. The blunder's tragedies will continue through the decades for us as the Iraqi and the Iranians and other ME allies rally against us, our people, and our national interests.

Iraq is the single greatest US foreign policy mistake in our history.

You are not "we", JRK. You are you, an universe of one, who the rest of us find very risible. You lost this OP so long ago, so that now we play along to watch you continue to act so silly.
Universe are one? What???

Where are these "FACTS" you claim to have contributed? All I see is the same old rambling babble and insults that goes on, and on, and on, and on . . . .