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Jim H - VA USA

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She should not have resisted. I am serious about that. One should obey lawful orders, and handle it in court. Everyone should know that by now, but no one seems to.

We need to educate our youth on how to interact with law enforcement and also to be respectful of the country that gives them the amazing freedoms that they exercise and occasionally abuse.

they didnt give her a lawful order,,,thats the problem,,,

what we teach our youth is how to stand against tyranny not submit to it,,,and she did that by resisting,,,
I consider it to generally be a lawful order when a LEO orders one to do something. It can be handled in court after that.

A cop tells you to get out of the vehicle, you do so. Leave the stadium you do so. Or maybe you go limp, but you don't fight them for being potentially wrong.

If they tell you to put your hands behind your back, you do so, or face the consequences. I expect officers to use force to effect an arrest. If it's a wrongful arrest, forceful resistance is not justified unless there is life or limb at stake.

I can totally relate to not wearing a mask. I don't wear one except at work where they pay me to do so. Resisting arrest is a different matter entirely.

If this was a private venue, the case would be cut & dry, but this is a public venue. Her case clearly needs to be heard in court.

Regards,
Jim

youre allowed to be a useful idiot as much as you want,,,just dont drag us with you,,,
No need for the ad hominem. Those are usually resorted to when one runs out of rational arguments.

I am sure you can think of one if you try hard.

Perhaps you could try replying substantively to a point that I made and you disagree with.

Thanks,
Jim
 

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She should not have resisted. I am serious about that. One should obey lawful orders, and handle it in court. Everyone should know that by now, but no one seems to.

We need to educate our youth on how to interact with law enforcement and also to be respectful of the country that gives them the amazing freedoms that they exercise and occasionally abuse.

they didnt give her a lawful order,,,thats the problem,,,

what we teach our youth is how to stand against tyranny not submit to it,,,and she did that by resisting,,,
I consider it to generally be a lawful order when a LEO orders one to do something. It can be handled in court after that.

A cop tells you to get out of the vehicle, you do so. Leave the stadium you do so. Or maybe you go limp, but you don't fight them for being potentially wrong.

If they tell you to put your hands behind your back, you do so, or face the consequences. I expect officers to use force to effect an arrest. If it's a wrongful arrest, forceful resistance is not justified unless there is life or limb at stake.

I can totally relate to not wearing a mask. I don't wear one except at work where they pay me to do so. Resisting arrest is a different matter entirely.

If this was a private venue, the case would be cut & dry, but this is a public venue. Her case clearly needs to be heard in court.

Regards,
Jim

youre allowed to be a useful idiot as much as you want,,,just dont drag us with you,,,
No need for the ad hominem. Those are usually resorted to when one runs out of rational arguments.

I am sure you can think of one if you try hard.

Perhaps you could try replying substantively to a point that I made and you disagree with.

Thanks,
Jim

what rational discussion is left,,
you said youre OK with cops tazing and arresting a women for not following something that isnt law and I'm against that kind of a Nazi action and attitude,,,
 

Jim H - VA USA

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She should not have resisted. I am serious about that. One should obey lawful orders, and handle it in court. Everyone should know that by now, but no one seems to.

We need to educate our youth on how to interact with law enforcement and also to be respectful of the country that gives them the amazing freedoms that they exercise and occasionally abuse.

they didnt give her a lawful order,,,thats the problem,,,

what we teach our youth is how to stand against tyranny not submit to it,,,and she did that by resisting,,,
I consider it to generally be a lawful order when a LEO orders one to do something. It can be handled in court after that.

A cop tells you to get out of the vehicle, you do so. Leave the stadium you do so. Or maybe you go limp, but you don't fight them for being potentially wrong.

If they tell you to put your hands behind your back, you do so, or face the consequences. I expect officers to use force to effect an arrest. If it's a wrongful arrest, forceful resistance is not justified unless there is life or limb at stake.

I can totally relate to not wearing a mask. I don't wear one except at work where they pay me to do so. Resisting arrest is a different matter entirely.

If this was a private venue, the case would be cut & dry, but this is a public venue. Her case clearly needs to be heard in court.

Regards,
Jim

youre allowed to be a useful idiot as much as you want,,,just dont drag us with you,,,
No need for the ad hominem. Those are usually resorted to when one runs out of rational arguments.

I am sure you can think of one if you try hard.

Perhaps you could try replying substantively to a point that I made and you disagree with.

Thanks,
Jim

what rational discussion is left,,
you said youre OK with cops tazing and arresting a women for not following something that isnt law and I'm against that kind of a Nazi action and attitude,,,
Thanks.

I didn't exactly say that. I said she should have complied and handled it in court. There was no need for things to escalate to this point, but she chose to do so.

Life is full of choices, and choices have consequences.

Everyone thinks they can disobey cops these days, I don't think that is right, even when the cops might be wrong. In this case, It's arguable if she was not following the law. I am on her side with regard to the freedom to not wear a mask, but I am not at all in favor of her resisting arrest with force. That's not a peaceful protest, and I am sick of lawlessness. I tend to #BackTheBlue .

Regards,
Jim
 

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She should not have resisted. I am serious about that. One should obey lawful orders, and handle it in court. Everyone should know that by now, but no one seems to.

We need to educate our youth on how to interact with law enforcement and also to be respectful of the country that gives them the amazing freedoms that they exercise and occasionally abuse.

they didnt give her a lawful order,,,thats the problem,,,

what we teach our youth is how to stand against tyranny not submit to it,,,and she did that by resisting,,,
I consider it to generally be a lawful order when a LEO orders one to do something. It can be handled in court after that.

A cop tells you to get out of the vehicle, you do so. Leave the stadium you do so. Or maybe you go limp, but you don't fight them for being potentially wrong.

If they tell you to put your hands behind your back, you do so, or face the consequences. I expect officers to use force to effect an arrest. If it's a wrongful arrest, forceful resistance is not justified unless there is life or limb at stake.

I can totally relate to not wearing a mask. I don't wear one except at work where they pay me to do so. Resisting arrest is a different matter entirely.

If this was a private venue, the case would be cut & dry, but this is a public venue. Her case clearly needs to be heard in court.

Regards,
Jim

youre allowed to be a useful idiot as much as you want,,,just dont drag us with you,,,
No need for the ad hominem. Those are usually resorted to when one runs out of rational arguments.

I am sure you can think of one if you try hard.

Perhaps you could try replying substantively to a point that I made and you disagree with.

Thanks,
Jim

what rational discussion is left,,
you said youre OK with cops tazing and arresting a women for not following something that isnt law and I'm against that kind of a Nazi action and attitude,,,
Thanks.

I didn't exactly say that. I said she should have complied and handled it in court. There was no need for things to escalate to this point, but she chose to do so.

Life is full of choices, and choices have consequences.

Everyone thinks they can disobey cops these days, I don't think that is right, even when the cops might be wrong. In this case, It's arguable if she was not following the law. I am on her side with regard to the freedom to not wear a mask, but I am not at all in favor of her resisting arrest with force. That's not a peaceful protest, and I am sick of lawlessness. I tend to #BackTheBlue .

Regards,
Jim

this is a perfect example of acceptable civil disobedience,,,

what pisses me off is all the people that sat back and let it happen,,, if it were me I would have gone to jail with her,,
 

Jim H - VA USA

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Jim H - VA USA

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She should not have resisted. I am serious about that. One should obey lawful orders, and handle it in court. Everyone should know that by now, but no one seems to.

We need to educate our youth on how to interact with law enforcement and also to be respectful of the country that gives them the amazing freedoms that they exercise and occasionally abuse.

they didnt give her a lawful order,,,thats the problem,,,

what we teach our youth is how to stand against tyranny not submit to it,,,and she did that by resisting,,,
I consider it to generally be a lawful order when a LEO orders one to do something. It can be handled in court after that.

A cop tells you to get out of the vehicle, you do so. Leave the stadium you do so. Or maybe you go limp, but you don't fight them for being potentially wrong.

If they tell you to put your hands behind your back, you do so, or face the consequences. I expect officers to use force to effect an arrest. If it's a wrongful arrest, forceful resistance is not justified unless there is life or limb at stake.

I can totally relate to not wearing a mask. I don't wear one except at work where they pay me to do so. Resisting arrest is a different matter entirely.

If this was a private venue, the case would be cut & dry, but this is a public venue. Her case clearly needs to be heard in court.

Regards,
Jim

youre allowed to be a useful idiot as much as you want,,,just dont drag us with you,,,
No need for the ad hominem. Those are usually resorted to when one runs out of rational arguments.

I am sure you can think of one if you try hard.

Perhaps you could try replying substantively to a point that I made and you disagree with.

Thanks,
Jim

what rational discussion is left,,
you said youre OK with cops tazing and arresting a women for not following something that isnt law and I'm against that kind of a Nazi action and attitude,,,
Thanks.

I didn't exactly say that. I said she should have complied and handled it in court. There was no need for things to escalate to this point, but she chose to do so.

Life is full of choices, and choices have consequences.

Everyone thinks they can disobey cops these days, I don't think that is right, even when the cops might be wrong. In this case, It's arguable if she was not following the law. I am on her side with regard to the freedom to not wear a mask, but I am not at all in favor of her resisting arrest with force. That's not a peaceful protest, and I am sick of lawlessness. I tend to #BackTheBlue .

Regards,
Jim

this is a perfect example of acceptable civil disobedience,,,

what pisses me off is all the people that sat back and let it happen,,, if it were me I would have gone to jail with her,,
Thanks. That is certainly putting your money where your mouth is. I fully respect that, but please be nice to all police officers; they have such a difficult job.

Ya know, I went to court this week for jury duty. I did not wear a mask all day. No one bothered me about it, except one Karen. Had the judge told me to put one on, I would have. And then I would have gone home and probably written a letter to the court.

Regards,
Jim
 

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