Poacher shot dead after his gang kill elephant

Sweet!!! I hate poachers,matter of fact the Operation game thief number is on my phone.
The biggest offenders in Texas are Orientals and Mexicans,they'll keep anything.
I've watched em throw cast nets and keep three inch reds and flounder.
You are advocating shooting deal people who don't throw back fish? Obviously because they are not 'white' Americans. I know you think this is a joke, but it is a sick one and you are disgusting.

Sometimes I get mad when I'm fishing and I think about the rules. I have to pay the government to catch a fucking fish? How free are we then? Reminds me of back in England when you'd get killed if they caught you hunting on the kings land.

What if an American is poor and hungry and wants fish tonight instead of dog food?

I completely get why we have DNR but sometimes it doesn't make any sense. At least on the lake I live on there are no DNR. I don't know why they never come out but they don't. And the cop on the lake doesn't ask or care about fishing licences. He only cares about life jackets, are you drunk, do you have a registration etc. But most of us just catch and release. I just don't like it that a poor person could get a $100 ticket for trying to eat.
If an American is poor and hungry, he can go to a food bank. Maybe won't get fresh fish, maybe fish sticks, but food. People in America don't really have to eat dog food, if they can manage to make use of the system. Some people, because they are not well mentally, can't manage the system.

My foreign friend who's lived all over the world and country says metro Detroit sucks as far as transportation goes. If you don't have a car or friends to drive you around in metro detroit you are screwed. We need a bus so that a person that lives where I live can walk to a bus stop and take buses to get anywhere they need to get. Even if they have to make several stops or make transfers along the way. It may take you a couple hours to get a half hour away but it would be nice if we had a bus system. I think they are debating it now. In fact I think a bus from my city to Detroit got voted down because they didn't want it to bring in poor people from the city. That's stupid. No one is coming via bus to rob, murder and steal. If they get on a bus they probably are coming to work.

But I understand the buses aren't profitable? No doubt they are subsodized.

Another thing they can use is Uber. Do you have that where you live? I guess what would cost $30 by cab only costs $10 via uber.

When I was a kid and lived in the burbs the buses didnt go out that far.
I rode my bike to work 25 miles each way until I saved enough to move closer to work and the bus system.
Problem solved.
 
If a law a government writes saying this is ok, but this isn't is your standard then you'd be supporting some reprehensible things. Slavery for example. Just because something' legal doesn't mean it's moral, just as something being moral doesn't make it legal. Rather we have to see things where human beings are a part of the chain of life and not special class exemptions to it. We're part of nature, not a separated class outside, above, or alongside of it. Thus if killing some animals is acceptable because it's legal, any animal's fine. When you begin pick and choosing which are ok, or when or why it's ok you loose the whole arguement becomming hypocritical.

I love animals, I risk evictionfeeding squirrels and duckies here every year, however I don't try and rationalize it by saying some animals by virtue of being cute and cuddly are more deserving of my love than others.
So you like rats and cockroaches and hairy spiders?

Spiders are great! Imagine how many bugs and mosquitos and flys would be in your home if not for them.

Cockroaches and rats will be here long after we're gone.
Spiders are fine as long as they stay outside or underground, under the foundation. I have no spiders, cockroaches, rats, mice, flies, or anything like that in my home, except maybe the very occasional fruit fly.
 
If a law a government writes saying this is ok, but this isn't is your standard then you'd be supporting some reprehensible things. Slavery for example. Just because something' legal doesn't mean it's moral, just as something being moral doesn't make it legal. Rather we have to see things where human beings are a part of the chain of life and not special class exemptions to it. We're part of nature, not a separated class outside, above, or alongside of it. Thus if killing some animals is acceptable because it's legal, any animal's fine. When you begin pick and choosing which are ok, or when or why it's ok you loose the whole arguement becomming hypocritical.

I love animals, I risk evictionfeeding squirrels and duckies here every year, however I don't try and rationalize it by saying some animals by virtue of being cute and cuddly are more deserving of my love than others.
So you like rats and cockroaches and hairy spiders?

Isn't about liking or not liking things but acknowledging all life has as much right to go on living as all others. If you would be against the harvesting of whales, what about wars involving your own species? Do you oppose all wars just as you do killing a whale? If so why is killing your own species acceptable to you, but killing another species isn't? If you don't support wars, or killing whales why is killing creatures you don't like as with cockroaches and spiders ok but others aren't? Don't spiders and cockroaches play some role in the interconnectivity of all species?

We shouldn't kill other humans unless they are threatening us. And you threatening sharks means you are threatening humans so we should kill you. lol

This is why we have conservation. Its ok to shoot deer once a year for 2.5 months, with rules, if you have a licence, and they will only give so many licences to assure the deer population stays healthy. Are you against conservation?

I think you are just playing devils advocate here.
 
You are advocating shooting deal people who don't throw back fish? Obviously because they are not 'white' Americans. I know you think this is a joke, but it is a sick one and you are disgusting.

Sometimes I get mad when I'm fishing and I think about the rules. I have to pay the government to catch a fucking fish? How free are we then? Reminds me of back in England when you'd get killed if they caught you hunting on the kings land.

What if an American is poor and hungry and wants fish tonight instead of dog food?

I completely get why we have DNR but sometimes it doesn't make any sense. At least on the lake I live on there are no DNR. I don't know why they never come out but they don't. And the cop on the lake doesn't ask or care about fishing licences. He only cares about life jackets, are you drunk, do you have a registration etc. But most of us just catch and release. I just don't like it that a poor person could get a $100 ticket for trying to eat.
If an American is poor and hungry, he can go to a food bank. Maybe won't get fresh fish, maybe fish sticks, but food. People in America don't really have to eat dog food, if they can manage to make use of the system. Some people, because they are not well mentally, can't manage the system.

My foreign friend who's lived all over the world and country says metro Detroit sucks as far as transportation goes. If you don't have a car or friends to drive you around in metro detroit you are screwed. We need a bus so that a person that lives where I live can walk to a bus stop and take buses to get anywhere they need to get. Even if they have to make several stops or make transfers along the way. It may take you a couple hours to get a half hour away but it would be nice if we had a bus system. I think they are debating it now. In fact I think a bus from my city to Detroit got voted down because they didn't want it to bring in poor people from the city. That's stupid. No one is coming via bus to rob, murder and steal. If they get on a bus they probably are coming to work.

But I understand the buses aren't profitable? No doubt they are subsodized.

Another thing they can use is Uber. Do you have that where you live? I guess what would cost $30 by cab only costs $10 via uber.
What's an uber? Where I live there is no public transportation at all: none. And what point are you trying to make?

You just said people can go to food banks. I don't know where one is in my area but I do live on a lake and in the Great Lakes State of Michigan. I bet a lot of people who are broke and out of work and hungry might catch and eat a fish even if they don't have a fishing licence. And they are too proud to go to a food bank. Plus they need a fish to go with that corn and powdered mash potatoes or raman noodles. LOL
They are in most urban areas and some rural areas. They are there, often through churches. It is not an issue of there not being one but of finding where it is, getting to it, etc. Poor people can use them, but often poor people have limited abilities to figure it out. People who run food banks should do outreach: advertise, reach the people who need them.
 
If poaching elephants is something we can applaud killing the poachers for, what about wholesame industrial-scale hunting and fishing. What the guys on "The Deadliest Catch" catching thousands of individual animals for simply money? They killable? If not, why not. Why is 1 elephant worth a human's life, but thousands of crab or fish isn't?
You are comparing apples and oranges. Wild animals need to be protected. That's the bottom line. We are talking about animals that live on wild life lands owned by the Kenyan government. They are not domesticated animals on farms and meant for food, and it is not the same as hunting with a license. They are not available for hunting, in the same way we are not allowed to hunt whales.

An elephant worth a human life? If it is the law of the land, then the human needs to obey the law or face the consequences. The Kenyan government knows what it is doing in protecting its wild life.

Didn't we have a bit of disagreement a while back on the morality of laws granting one animal the right to own and exploit another animal?

All life is as deserving of that life as all others. Be it a single-celled something or a blue whale, size doesn't matter. Either it's all sacrosanct, or none of it is.
We didn't have an disagreement about it. I wouldn't even bother to entertain the idea that a single celled something or other was equal to a whale. That's ludicrous and not even worth discussing.

Should look up paradox of the heap then. If a thousand grains of sand is a "heap of sand" what's a 999 grain pile called? If a blue whale's more deserving of life and our protection but a single-celled critter isn't, how many cells are required before we regard it like we do the whale?
You need help.

And you need to re-enroll yourself in a school somewhere.
 
Sweet!!! I hate poachers,matter of fact the Operation game thief number is on my phone.
The biggest offenders in Texas are Orientals and Mexicans,they'll keep anything.
I've watched em throw cast nets and keep three inch reds and flounder.
You are advocating shooting deal people who don't throw back fish? Obviously because they are not 'white' Americans. I know you think this is a joke, but it is a sick one and you are disgusting.

Sometimes I get mad when I'm fishing and I think about the rules. I have to pay the government to catch a fucking fish? How free are we then? Reminds me of back in England when you'd get killed if they caught you hunting on the kings land.

What if an American is poor and hungry and wants fish tonight instead of dog food?

I completely get why we have DNR but sometimes it doesn't make any sense. At least on the lake I live on there are no DNR. I don't know why they never come out but they don't. And the cop on the lake doesn't ask or care about fishing licences. He only cares about life jackets, are you drunk, do you have a registration etc. But most of us just catch and release. I just don't like it that a poor person could get a $100 ticket for trying to eat.
If an American is poor and hungry, he can go to a food bank. Maybe won't get fresh fish, maybe fish sticks, but food. People in America don't really have to eat dog food, if they can manage to make use of the system. Some people, because they are not well mentally, can't manage the system.

My foreign friend who's lived all over the world and country says metro Detroit sucks as far as transportation goes. If you don't have a car or friends to drive you around in metro detroit you are screwed. We need a bus so that a person that lives where I live can walk to a bus stop and take buses to get anywhere they need to get. Even if they have to make several stops or make transfers along the way. It may take you a couple hours to get a half hour away but it would be nice if we had a bus system. I think they are debating it now. In fact I think a bus from my city to Detroit got voted down because they didn't want it to bring in poor people from the city. That's stupid. No one is coming via bus to rob, murder and steal. If they get on a bus they probably are coming to work.

But I understand the buses aren't profitable? No doubt they are subsodized.

Another thing they can use is Uber. Do you have that where you live? I guess what would cost $30 by cab only costs $10 via uber.

When I was a kid and lived in the burbs the buses didnt go out that far.
I rode my bike to work 25 miles each way until I saved enough to move closer to work and the bus system.
Problem solved.

25 miles each way? Do you have winters where you live? I don't believe you went that far.

Are you trying to get some $ out of us? lol Did you hear about this guy in Detroit? This guy got a new car and $350k for walking 20 miles a day rain sleet or snow. You rode your bike 50 miles a day?

Detroit s walking man to get 350K lots of advice
 
You are comparing apples and oranges. Wild animals need to be protected. That's the bottom line. We are talking about animals that live on wild life lands owned by the Kenyan government. They are not domesticated animals on farms and meant for food, and it is not the same as hunting with a license. They are not available for hunting, in the same way we are not allowed to hunt whales.

An elephant worth a human life? If it is the law of the land, then the human needs to obey the law or face the consequences. The Kenyan government knows what it is doing in protecting its wild life.

Didn't we have a bit of disagreement a while back on the morality of laws granting one animal the right to own and exploit another animal?

All life is as deserving of that life as all others. Be it a single-celled something or a blue whale, size doesn't matter. Either it's all sacrosanct, or none of it is.
We didn't have an disagreement about it. I wouldn't even bother to entertain the idea that a single celled something or other was equal to a whale. That's ludicrous and not even worth discussing.

Should look up paradox of the heap then. If a thousand grains of sand is a "heap of sand" what's a 999 grain pile called? If a blue whale's more deserving of life and our protection but a single-celled critter isn't, how many cells are required before we regard it like we do the whale?
You need help.

And you need to re-enroll yourself in a school somewhere.
:lame2:
 
Elephants are incredibly intelligent. I don't have a problem with hunting, when it's done properly, and the animal is shot and killed and not left to suffer. The problem with these poachers is that they don't even always kill the animals. They leave them alive to bleed to death and they cut off their tusks. I just saw a show the other night about poaching rhinos, and they leave them to suffer and bleed to death. The man in the documentary found two such rhinos. He managed to save one, but it was too late for the other. THAT is what my problem is, the cruelty.
 
Sweet!!! I hate poachers,matter of fact the Operation game thief number is on my phone.
The biggest offenders in Texas are Orientals and Mexicans,they'll keep anything.
I've watched em throw cast nets and keep three inch reds and flounder.
You are advocating shooting deal people who don't throw back fish? Obviously because they are not 'white' Americans. I know you think this is a joke, but it is a sick one and you are disgusting.

Much of the outrage people display over things like this is hypocritical. How many bugs do they step on walking around? Is their outrage dependent upon being able to see the animal, or it being cute and cuddly? Do they eat meat? Do they patronize stores or businesses which exploit animals in some way? Wouldn't that make their whole position utterly worthless?
What the fuck are you talking about? He's advocating shooting people, and you are talking about stepping on insects? Are you sane?

Well someone in this thread said if the government warns them that poachers will be shot on site...then so be it.


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Sweet!!! I hate poachers,matter of fact the Operation game thief number is on my phone.
The biggest offenders in Texas are Orientals and Mexicans,they'll keep anything.
I've watched em throw cast nets and keep three inch reds and flounder.
You are advocating shooting deal people who don't throw back fish? Obviously because they are not 'white' Americans. I know you think this is a joke, but it is a sick one and you are disgusting.

Much of the outrage people display over things like this is hypocritical. How many bugs do they step on walking around? Is their outrage dependent upon being able to see the animal, or it being cute and cuddly? Do they eat meat? Do they patronize stores or businesses which exploit animals in some way? Wouldn't that make their whole position utterly worthless?
What the fuck are you talking about? He's advocating shooting people, and you are talking about stepping on insects? Are you sane?

Well someone in this thread said if the government warns them that poachers will be shot on site...then so be it.


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Our government is warning people that poachers will be shot on sight? Where? Link?
 
Sweet!!! I hate poachers,matter of fact the Operation game thief number is on my phone.
The biggest offenders in Texas are Orientals and Mexicans,they'll keep anything.
I've watched em throw cast nets and keep three inch reds and flounder.
You are advocating shooting deal people who don't throw back fish? Obviously because they are not 'white' Americans. I know you think this is a joke, but it is a sick one and you are disgusting.

Sometimes I get mad when I'm fishing and I think about the rules. I have to pay the government to catch a fucking fish? How free are we then? Reminds me of back in England when you'd get killed if they caught you hunting on the kings land.

What if an American is poor and hungry and wants fish tonight instead of dog food?

I completely get why we have DNR but sometimes it doesn't make any sense. At least on the lake I live on there are no DNR. I don't know why they never come out but they don't. And the cop on the lake doesn't ask or care about fishing licences. He only cares about life jackets, are you drunk, do you have a registration etc. But most of us just catch and release. I just don't like it that a poor person could get a $100 ticket for trying to eat.
If an American is poor and hungry, he can go to a food bank. Maybe won't get fresh fish, maybe fish sticks, but food. People in America don't really have to eat dog food, if they can manage to make use of the system. Some people, because they are not well mentally, can't manage the system.

My foreign friend who's lived all over the world and country says metro Detroit sucks as far as transportation goes. If you don't have a car or friends to drive you around in metro detroit you are screwed. We need a bus so that a person that lives where I live can walk to a bus stop and take buses to get anywhere they need to get. Even if they have to make several stops or make transfers along the way. It may take you a couple hours to get a half hour away but it would be nice if we had a bus system. I think they are debating it now. In fact I think a bus from my city to Detroit got voted down because they didn't want it to bring in poor people from the city. That's stupid. No one is coming via bus to rob, murder and steal. If they get on a bus they probably are coming to work.

But I understand the buses aren't profitable? No doubt they are subsodized.

Another thing they can use is Uber. Do you have that where you live? I guess what would cost $30 by cab only costs $10 via uber.
What's an uber? Where I live there is no public transportation at all: none. And what point are you trying to make?

Uber is when regular people agree to work for uber and if someone in your area needs a ride, you can either pick them up or pass depending on if you are busy or not. There are many uber employees out there in Michigan now. Usually takes less time for them to show up than a cab and they are a lot less expensive. Just people who don't mind being paid to pick people up and drop them off. Part time cab drivers, with your own car.

Uber
 
If a law a government writes saying this is ok, but this isn't is your standard then you'd be supporting some reprehensible things. Slavery for example. Just because something' legal doesn't mean it's moral, just as something being moral doesn't make it legal. Rather we have to see things where human beings are a part of the chain of life and not special class exemptions to it. We're part of nature, not a separated class outside, above, or alongside of it. Thus if killing some animals is acceptable because it's legal, any animal's fine. When you begin pick and choosing which are ok, or when or why it's ok you loose the whole arguement becomming hypocritical.

I love animals, I risk evictionfeeding squirrels and duckies here every year, however I don't try and rationalize it by saying some animals by virtue of being cute and cuddly are more deserving of my love than others.
So you like rats and cockroaches and hairy spiders?

Spiders are great! Imagine how many bugs and mosquitos and flys would be in your home if not for them.

Cockroaches and rats will be here long after we're gone.
Spiders are fine as long as they stay outside or underground, under the foundation. I have no spiders, cockroaches, rats, mice, flies, or anything like that in my home, except maybe the very occasional fruit fly.

Do you live in a plastic bubble? LOL
 
I have a similar position on spiders and such, long as they're a part of nature, and not my apartment I don't care what they do. :) But if say one descends on a strang of web between my eyes and my monitor about a foot away, I'm gonna have a problem and lethal response to it. :)
 
You are advocating shooting deal people who don't throw back fish? Obviously because they are not 'white' Americans. I know you think this is a joke, but it is a sick one and you are disgusting.

Sometimes I get mad when I'm fishing and I think about the rules. I have to pay the government to catch a fucking fish? How free are we then? Reminds me of back in England when you'd get killed if they caught you hunting on the kings land.

What if an American is poor and hungry and wants fish tonight instead of dog food?

I completely get why we have DNR but sometimes it doesn't make any sense. At least on the lake I live on there are no DNR. I don't know why they never come out but they don't. And the cop on the lake doesn't ask or care about fishing licences. He only cares about life jackets, are you drunk, do you have a registration etc. But most of us just catch and release. I just don't like it that a poor person could get a $100 ticket for trying to eat.
If an American is poor and hungry, he can go to a food bank. Maybe won't get fresh fish, maybe fish sticks, but food. People in America don't really have to eat dog food, if they can manage to make use of the system. Some people, because they are not well mentally, can't manage the system.

My foreign friend who's lived all over the world and country says metro Detroit sucks as far as transportation goes. If you don't have a car or friends to drive you around in metro detroit you are screwed. We need a bus so that a person that lives where I live can walk to a bus stop and take buses to get anywhere they need to get. Even if they have to make several stops or make transfers along the way. It may take you a couple hours to get a half hour away but it would be nice if we had a bus system. I think they are debating it now. In fact I think a bus from my city to Detroit got voted down because they didn't want it to bring in poor people from the city. That's stupid. No one is coming via bus to rob, murder and steal. If they get on a bus they probably are coming to work.

But I understand the buses aren't profitable? No doubt they are subsodized.

Another thing they can use is Uber. Do you have that where you live? I guess what would cost $30 by cab only costs $10 via uber.

When I was a kid and lived in the burbs the buses didnt go out that far.
I rode my bike to work 25 miles each way until I saved enough to move closer to work and the bus system.
Problem solved.

25 miles each way? Do you have winters where you live? I don't believe you went that far.

Are you trying to get some $ out of us? lol Did you hear about this guy in Detroit? This guy got a new car and $350k for walking 20 miles a day rain sleet or snow. You rode your bike 50 miles a day?

Detroit s walking man to get 350K lots of advice

Twenty five miles is nothing when you rode competitively. Hell,a hundred miles in a day is easy.
It took a little over an hour each way.
And while I do live in Houston and the winters are pretty mild,I did it only long enough to save some cash so I could move closer to my job and the bus system.
Which of course opened up a whole laundry list of job opportunities.
 
If a law a government writes saying this is ok, but this isn't is your standard then you'd be supporting some reprehensible things. Slavery for example. Just because something' legal doesn't mean it's moral, just as something being moral doesn't make it legal. Rather we have to see things where human beings are a part of the chain of life and not special class exemptions to it. We're part of nature, not a separated class outside, above, or alongside of it. Thus if killing some animals is acceptable because it's legal, any animal's fine. When you begin pick and choosing which are ok, or when or why it's ok you loose the whole arguement becomming hypocritical.

I love animals, I risk evictionfeeding squirrels and duckies here every year, however I don't try and rationalize it by saying some animals by virtue of being cute and cuddly are more deserving of my love than others.
So you like rats and cockroaches and hairy spiders?

Spiders are great! Imagine how many bugs and mosquitos and flys would be in your home if not for them.

Cockroaches and rats will be here long after we're gone.
Spiders are fine as long as they stay outside or underground, under the foundation. I have no spiders, cockroaches, rats, mice, flies, or anything like that in my home, except maybe the very occasional fruit fly.

Do you live in a plastic bubble? LOL
Do you assume you must live with vermin in your home? I live in a high rise apartment building. There are no vermin in my apartment. But I have also lived in houses when I lived in the States. I did not have vermin in my home. Why do you?
 
I have a similar position on spiders and such, long as they're a part of nature, and not my apartment I don't care what they do. :) But if say one descends on a strang of web between my eyes and my monitor about a foot away, I'm gonna have a problem and lethal response to it. :)

Lol. Me too. I don't like spiders in my house. Outside they are fine because they aren't in my territory. :D My house is MY territory. Spiders beware!
 
If a law a government writes saying this is ok, but this isn't is your standard then you'd be supporting some reprehensible things. Slavery for example. Just because something' legal doesn't mean it's moral, just as something being moral doesn't make it legal. Rather we have to see things where human beings are a part of the chain of life and not special class exemptions to it. We're part of nature, not a separated class outside, above, or alongside of it. Thus if killing some animals is acceptable because it's legal, any animal's fine. When you begin pick and choosing which are ok, or when or why it's ok you loose the whole arguement becomming hypocritical.

I love animals, I risk evictionfeeding squirrels and duckies here every year, however I don't try and rationalize it by saying some animals by virtue of being cute and cuddly are more deserving of my love than others.
So you like rats and cockroaches and hairy spiders?

Spiders are great! Imagine how many bugs and mosquitos and flys would be in your home if not for them.

Cockroaches and rats will be here long after we're gone.
Spiders are fine as long as they stay outside or underground, under the foundation. I have no spiders, cockroaches, rats, mice, flies, or anything like that in my home, except maybe the very occasional fruit fly.

Do you live in a plastic bubble? LOL
Do you assume you must live with vermin in your home? I live in a high rise apartment building. There are no vermin in my apartment. But I have also lived in houses when I lived in the States. I did not have vermin in my home. Why do you?

I'm sure you have spiders and other bugs in your house. You just can't avoid that. :) They come in the tiniest holes and cracks that you can't even see.
 
I have a similar position on spiders and such, long as they're a part of nature, and not my apartment I don't care what they do. :) But if say one descends on a strang of web between my eyes and my monitor about a foot away, I'm gonna have a problem and lethal response to it. :)

Lol. Me too. I don't like spiders in my house. Outside they are fine because they aren't in my territory. :D My house is MY territory. Spiders beware!

Bugs are such are supposed to be outside. It's their home, where they evolved, etc. Inside is aritificial and not their home or where they're gonna flourish. Why I'd love to be able to live-capture every little bug and set it outside as I do with beetles or crickets (I'm not in fear of being bitten by) some things like spiders I just kill. Far as I know, all spiders are venomous.
 
I have a similar position on spiders and such, long as they're a part of nature, and not my apartment I don't care what they do. :) But if say one descends on a strang of web between my eyes and my monitor about a foot away, I'm gonna have a problem and lethal response to it. :)

Lol. Me too. I don't like spiders in my house. Outside they are fine because they aren't in my territory. :D My house is MY territory. Spiders beware!

Bugs are such are supposed to be outside. It's their home, where they evolved, etc. Inside is aritificial and not their home or where they're gonna flourish. Why I'd love to be able to live-capture every little bug and set it outside as I do with beetles or crickets (I'm not in fear of being bitten by) some things like spiders I just kill. Far as I know, all spiders are venomous.

I've tried to save bugs before. It's a waste of time. Half the time you end up squishing them. :lol:
 

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